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The Art of Bore
You are literally Hitler. Hehe
Or Kendal.

You are literally Hitler. Hehe
Or Kendal.
true - 25% of people entitled to vote in the labour election didnt even vote and one wonders how different the outcome may have been with a straight choice between a more charismatic centrist option vs corbyn in a one vs one election...
Anyone who watched the leadership race knows that it wasn't just Kendal politics that got her so little votes, she was just incredibly shite through the whole race. Same goes for the Burnham and Cooper, Yvette Cooper literally said on the economy''we shouldn't just talk about the trains, planes and the boys toys''. Now that's not to say Corbyn has all the answers(It's a wild shot in the dark for him to be PM)but people who complain about him getting elected have forgotten just how shite the others were.
Labour really have pissed on their own chips twice in a row now. Miliband, who was a coward, and Corbyn who I like but is completely unelectable because only lefties like myself can stomach him. He's hardly going to gather support from those in the centre, never mind woo the right.
I think most people are for PR - just never the government who has won in a fptp... even the conservative& lib coalition only allowed a vote on the AV system rather than true PR (which I think would be much more popular)Honest and correct. The best that a far left party could hope for is being in coalition and getting an element of their policies through that way, by agreement. Anyone for P.R.?
I think most people are for PR - just never the government who has won in a fptp... even the conservative& lib coalition only allowed a vote on the AV system rather than true PR (which I think would be much more popular)
I think most people are for PR - just never the government who has won in a fptp... even the conservative& lib coalition only allowed a vote on the AV system rather than true PR (which I think would be much more popular)
indeed - I think the best chance now is that the lords becomes an elected 2nd chamber and they use Pr for that chamber - perhaps after a couple of elections people will decide they prefer it and push parties to introduce it - Im not confident but I am hopeful...Yeah, that's the joke of FPTP. It results in majorities who end up getting in because of a system they advocate for the sole reason that it gets them power, and the fact that they're in power means it can't really be changed unless they suddenly grow a conscience. The coalition was probably the best chance in recent times.
We discussed electoral reform during the general election in some detail, and as i recall there was little support for simple PR (the loss of loss of the MP-constituency link being a particular cocnern). Either AV or AV+ probably strikes the best balance for the UK in that regard, which is a tad ironic considering the referendum result.
Nah, most people are morons. And believe whatever the daily mail tells them to believe.
We had half a chance with AV (which whilst I thought it was a pretty poor system, I hoped would lead naturally into something better) but the divide and conquer tactics of those that opposed it ('Yes to PR, No to AV' anyone). Has killed the debated for at least another decade.
true - 25% of people entitled to vote in the labour election didnt even vote and one wonders how different the outcome may have been with a straight choice between a more charismatic centrist option vs corbyn in a one vs one election...
I guess we will probably find out in the next couple of years...
What did you like about the other candidates then Untied?
Yet another terrorist attack in Europe. The PM pledges to keep security and intelligence a priority in the UK yet Teresa May will continue to slash Police budgets in another round of George Osborne cuts this month.
It amazes me that the public are not bothered by this. It amazes me no one is worried by this.
When you have a number of Chief Constables explaining how severe these continued cuts are going to be in the way the Police service can operate you really have to question what the government is doing at a time when security should be paramount.
Police forces may lose dedicated firearms teams, says Theresa May
Forces may need to share specialist teams to avoid duplication amid tightening budgets, says Home Secretary
By David Barrett, Home Affairs Correspondent
10 Nov 2015
Police forces could be stripped of their own firearms and cyber crime teams, and forced to share them with neighbouring forces, the Home Secretary has signalled.
Theresa May announced that major reforms of police manpower will be discussed at a high-level meeting in the next few days.
She said the Government would also look at whether the National Crime Agency could take an even greater role in dealing with national and international threats.
In a stark acknowledgement of future budget cuts faced by the Home Office the Home Secretary said the department would need to make redundancies and slim down as details of the Chancellor’s spending review emerge.
“I’m meeting with chief constables and police and crime commissioners to consider how complex and specialist capabilities like firearms and cyber units can be delivered between forces or in regional organised crime units,” she said in a speech organised by the Reform think-tank.
“It does not make sense that everybody should duplicate efforts when we could be working together.
“It’s more than just sharing that resource, it’s about making sure the resource is set at the right level and also having greater flexibility in police workforce.”
The speech signals Mrs May’s plans for a broad re-think on police staffing.
At present apart from limited exceptions police officers must start as constables and work their way up the ranks.
Most will stay in the job until retirement because of inflexible pay and pensions arrangements which deter officers from gaining experience in the private sector or in other public sector roles.
“I have spoken before about bringing in specialist skills for a limited period of time,” said Mrs May.
“Perhaps you don’t necessarily come in as a police officer and stay for 30 years?
"Perhaps someone does not need the office of constable to bring these skills, but can bring something to the police?"
Although Mrs May did not disclose details of her ideas on police staffing they are likely to be controversial with the Police Federation, which represents rank-and-file police officers.
The Federation has traditionally put forward arguments that only police officers are capable of performing policing roles and fought against what it perceives as "civilianisation" of the job, as well as staunchly defending its members pay and conditions.
It comes the day after the Home Office was forced to delay police force budget changes after making a serious error in calculations.
On budgets, she said: “There’s no escaping the fact that spending reductions may lead there to be fewer people, fewer buildings and less room for error.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ay.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
The events in Paris last night will surely embolden May to push back against some of the cuts. I posted the following article earlier this week, and it only seems more relevant now.
The very idea that we'd contemplate cutting our specialist firearms units at a time like this, it's too ridiculous.
Corbyn has said no free vote for Labour MP's, and we all know he won't back action, so it'll require his members to revolt.Will Cameron push for a syria vote in light of recent events?
I imagine that right now he would probably stand as good a chance as ever of pushing it through - standing up and fighting with our French allies etc - I imagine it could get messy on both sides of the house trying to ensure people turn up and vote rather than find excuses or abstain.
Not sure where public opinion is on the issue but at a guess its about as favourable in terms of joining the bombing as it has ever been so it may be a slightly more position for corbyn to maintain than for cameron at the moment?
Or not turn upCorbyn has said no free vote for Labour MP's, and we all know he won't back action, so it'll require his members to revolt.
No... Not a chance and his comments today just show that he is going to trip himself up time and againNobody else think Corbyn might have a chance at turning it around a bit?
At first i figured he'd get nowhere and prove to be unelectable, despite having a lot of policies that make sense to the majority.
But since he's taken over pretty much everybody has gone far and above normal smear and at times been simply disgusting trying to end his time as labour leader quickly, not least the Jihadi Jez headlines i saw a few days ago.
As it stands i think they've failed to out him quickly and are now hurting themselves more than him. With the next election still being 4 years away i think they could actually just look idiotic by then.
Every new smear against Corbyn just makes me think the Conservatives are getting more and more scared of the potential millions he might be able to entice to vote.
No... Not a chance and his comments today just show that he is going to trip himself up time and again
PLP hate him let alone the middle ground voters he needs to win to have a chance in England and as for the polls in Scotland coming third to the Conservatives is more likely than winning back the vote from the snp
Which comments?
Will Cameron push for a syria vote in light of recent events?
I imagine that right now he would probably stand as good a chance as ever of pushing it through - standing up and fighting with our French allies etc - I imagine it could get messy on both sides of the house trying to ensure people turn up and vote rather than find excuses or abstain.
Not sure where public opinion is on the issue but at a guess its about as favourable in terms of joining the bombing as it has ever been so it may be a slightly more position for corbyn to maintain than for cameron at the moment?
The one where he would not say he would authorise the police or military to shoot to kill even if a terrorist attack like Paris was in progressWhich comments?
The comments where he didn't say 'ERMAHGOD TERRORISTS BAD BOMB EVERYTHING'.
It's apparently really offensive to some on here that he has some belief in due process and not killing innocents in the name of 'the greater good'.
But the question was very very specificI saw that he said a shoot to kill policy was not a good thing generally and should be avoided if possible.
Anyone criticising him for that could probably do with remembering Jean Charles de Menezes
But the question was very very specific
Would he authorise a shoot to kill policy if the events of Paris were repeated in London.
If anyone genuinely believes Corbyn would just let active terrorist shooters continue unopposed I think they are mad
If anyone genuinely believes Corbyn would just let active terrorist shooters continue unopposed I think they are mad
If anyone genuinely believes Corbyn would just let active terrorist shooters continue unopposed I think they are mad
True... But if Corbyn and his supporters think he can change the political narrative with such poor answers then they are equally as mad... You yourself gave several plausible points he could have given
Which is (along with his own mps not liking him) is a key reason I think he remains unelectable and is becoming more so with the passing of time
Mr Corbyn said: "I'm not happy with the shoot-to-kill policy in general - I think that is quite dangerous and I think can often can be counterproductive.
"I think you have to have security that prevents people firing off weapons where you can, there are various degrees for doing things as we know.
"But the idea you end up with a war on the streets is not a good thing."
Asked about the prime minister's own opinion of the shoot-to-kill policy, David Cameron's official spokesman said such matters were ultimately "an operational decision for police on the ground".
He said there was a "clear legal framework" and that the police "have extensive training".
No its stupid that we have such a politically inept person in charge of a political party who stumbled blindly into the most glaringly obvious gotcha question that was bound to be thrown at him... God knows how he is going to negotiate with Putin and isis if he can't even bat away the easy stuffDisgusting that the anti-Corbyn brigade on here and in the media are using a fecking terrorist attack for point scoring.
So in other words Corbyn's and Cameron's views on this are similar.
Disgusting that the anti-Corbyn brigade on here and in the media are using a fecking terrorist attack for point scoring.
Well no Cameron basically said there is a policy in place (where the police can choose when to shoot people) and corbyn said he is not happy with that.Just to clarify, Corbyn's response to this situation and national security is the same as David Cameron's?