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Watford 1:2 Manchester United

Post-match discussion

Sat, 21 November 2015

Raw said:
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Come on, follow me everyone says BFS
 
Must confess, I did a little Herrera celebration in the living room when the second goal went in. :D
 
Didn't keep the ball well enough in the second half. I don't think the 3.5.2 helped us in that regard, but we got really squeezed in the second half and should've done better in possession.
 
Great resilience shown by the team. This was really an erratic game by us, though we showed a lot of promise up front with Memphis and Lingard, who I thought were impressive.

The first half I thought we were very good, bossing the midfield and keeping Watford on the back foot. Herrera looked like he was in for a big game and it's unfortunate that we lost him. Schweinsteiger actually didn't have the best of games but he showed on a few defensive plays and, of course, the goal, why he needs to play. Schneiderlin I thought quietly had one of his best games for us.

My biggest complaint today was LVG changing the formation, which I felt was completely unnecessary. This isn't really the thread to discuss what is wrong with 352 but I think our backline was being run ragged (especially Smalling) because of the need to cover so much additional ground when the wingbacks were caught in advanced positions. Under the circumstances, I thought McNair did well. I am a fan of Rojo but that was very stupid, even if the penalty may have been a bit harsh.

My other gripe is that IMO Mata was terrible again. I see people going on about him playing as a number 10 but he doesn't have the quickness, strength, or ability to get around players to play that role effectively. He needs space in front of him or he will either get ridden off the ball or pass it back. Yes, Rooney has been in poor form for a long time but how does Mata not get as much criticism as him? He's costing us a good amount of cash as well.

Please, let us not use this 352 again. Just...please. I'll give today a 5/10.
 
So many bloody cry babies in here, it really is pathetic. We were more than decent and actually exciting today, and we scored a last minute winner. Perk the feck up and enjoy your Saturday!

United.
 
Miscemayl said:
Give me 1-0 philosophy over this "throw the game away and then force ourselves to win it in 4 minutes".....
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But but but our ex-legend says we don't need this type of philosophy.

We have to be entertaining and exciting or we will be mistreating a large majority of our fans. Few things are more entertaining than throwing the kitchen sink during injury time and scoring a last gasp winner.
 
Snow said:
He missed at 0-1. Should have sealed it. That chance was a lay-up. Was as big of a mistake imo as Rojo's foul because the chance was that good. Keeper out of goal, perfect height on the ball to lob it. It's a chance I'd expect every player to score from.
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You expect every player to score lobbing the keeper in that situation? Center back, 100% conversion rate?

Youth player, first 1-on-1 with EPL keeper, don't score a chip and you've cost us?

So you wouldn't be one who think we need to go easy on Martial and not expect him to carry the team, I take it. If he missed that it's the same reaction? I mean he is a striker, unlike Lingard. You may know that other than strikers, players don't spend a lot of time practicing chipping the keeper.
 
RedPnutz said:
But but but our ex-legend says we don't need this type of philosophy.

We have to be entertaining and exciting or we will be mistreating a large majority of our fans. Few things are more entertaining than throwing the kitchen sink during injury time and scoring a last gasp winner.
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He can tell the Salford players to throw their leads away and then try winning it in injury time... for his entertainment.
 
gooDevil said:
You expect every player to score lobbing the keeper in that situation? Center back, 100% conversion rate?

Youth player, first 1-on-1 with EPL keeper, don't score a chip and you've cost us?

So you wouldn't be one who think we need to go easy on Martial and not expect him to carry the team, I take it. If he missed that it's the same reaction? I mean he is a striker, unlike Lingard. You may know that other than strikers, players don't spend a lot of time practicing chipping the keeper.
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Yes I expect every player to score from a chance like that. It was set up perfectly. The ball was both at a perfect height and pace. You simply needed to pass the ball into the net. No special finishing needed. We saw dozens of passes like that today in the game from most of our players.

100% conversation rate isn't feasible in anything. What does him being a youth have anything to do with it? He's 22 with over 50 games at the highest level. If he's not ready to score a goal like that then what is he doing starting up front as a striker? He won't get an easier chance. Dribbling the ball in the center of the pitch 1v1 against the goalie is harder to finish. Gomes already made a mess of himself and handed Lingard an easy chance on a plate.

It could have cost us in that instance yes. Them game was 0-1 and anything could happen. His goal would have swung the score one way, Rojo's mistake swung it the other way. If he had scored then Rojo's mistake wouldn't have been as costly. It's all relative to what's going on in a game. I'm not beating him up about it but it was a big one.
 
I don't know about expecting every player to score from there, but the keeper should have had to make a good save.
 
So happy with that late winner. Celebrated like an idiot. It's been a while it feels since we had one like that. I think it was deserved too. We played well overall and I was very annoyed when we conceded because had it stayed 1-1, had it stayed like that we would have thrown it away.

Glad to see Memphis step up, good goal and decent performance. Lingard was decent too, but really needed to finish one of his big chances. I'll forgive him as he isn't a striker. De Gea showed us again why he's world class. Only disappointing aspect was our inability to finish chances, but with no recognized strikers I'm willing to say that's a good result. Big injury list and an away game, I'll take that result every time.
 
adamwest said:
So many bloody cry babies in here, it really is pathetic. We were more than decent and actually exciting today, and we scored a last minute winner. Perk the feck up and enjoy your Saturday!

United.
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Couldn't agree more. I thought the whole point of this 'supporter' thing was that you're happy when your team win? Wouldn't know it with some on here. I mean even if you criticise at least express happiness that we won!

But no, we are managed by someone who is not SAF and are therefore shite at everything
 
Snow said:
Yes I expect every player to score from a chance like that. It was set up perfectly. The ball was both at a perfect height and pace. You simply needed to pass the ball into the net. No special finishing needed. We saw dozens of passes like that today in the game from most of our players.

100% conversation rate isn't feasible in anything. What does him being a youth have anything to do with it? He's 22 with over 50 games at the highest level. If he's not ready to score a goal like that then what is he doing starting up front as a striker? He won't get an easier chance. Dribbling the ball in the center of the pitch 1v1 against the goalie is harder to finish. Gomes already made a mess of himself and handed Lingard an easy chance on a plate.

It could have cost us in that instance yes. Them game was 0-1 and anything could happen. His goal would have swung the score one way, Rojo's mistake swung it the other way. If he had scored then Rojo's mistake wouldn't have been as costly. It's all relative to what's going on in a game. I'm not beating him up about it but it was a big one.
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You do realize the speed of the game, right? Things that look easy, at full speed when it counts with two defenders on your back and a keeper charging, aren't easy.

It takes most strikers a bit of experience to handle a 1-on-1 coolly, and Jesse isn't a striker. He's not trained that skill much at all, so in this area he's quite green.

I'm sorry but I boggled you think that's an easy chance that Phil Jones would finish 9/10 times.
 
diarm said:
Delighted with the win but very frustrated with Van Gaal after that.

I wouldn't be too quick to criticise the players as we started that game really well. Rojo was an idiot for the penalty and Mata was off colour but otherwise I think the blame lay with the manager.

I've been a fan all along but if I was on the board, today would have raised the first big question mark. Today showed that he isn't learning from his mistakes.

We were playing as well as we have all season and against a poor side. We get one injury (to a player that he himself has hardly seen as key) and he loses all confidence in the shape of the side, ignores the like for like replacement he has on the bench and reverts to a formation which has been well and truly proven to be shit for us.

We won that game in spite of his awful decision making today.
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Must be hard for you to watch. Those changes resulted in zero chances, we hardly kept the ball and really were camped in our own half. LVG must really be clueless.

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On the other hand, but for some bad decisions from our forward line this could have been a fairly comfortable 3-0 or 4-0. We were in total control even with those changes and the fact Watford went for it when the players took their foot off the pedal, does not translate in to LVG screwing up.
 
Bastian said:
Great result in the end. Still look average. Sure, people are missing, but we've not looked good all season and the league being poor has made us look better. We'll seriously need to up our level if we're going to do anything of significance.

Great to see that belief in the team once Watford levelled. Let's hope that urgency will be incorporated more into our philosophy over the coming weeks.
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what does this even mean? The league is very competitive this year.
 
gooDevil said:
You do realize the speed of the game, right? Things that look easy, at full speed when it counts with two defenders on your back and a keeper charging, aren't easy.

It takes most strikers a bit of experience to handle a 1-on-1 coolly, and Jesse isn't a striker. He's not trained that skill much at all, so in this area he's quite green.

I'm sorry but I boggled you think that's an easy chance that Phil Jones would finish 9/10 times.
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So what you're saying is that Lingard isn't up for it. The speed is too much for him and he's not good enough to score from there?

Defenders aren't relevant in that situation. They're behind him. He only needs to pass it over the keeper. Simple. Jones would score that most of the times.
 
SalfordRed1960 said:
Must be hard for you to watch. Those changes resulted in zero chances, we hardly kept the ball and really were camped in our own half. LVG must really be clueless.

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On the other hand, but for some bad decisions from our forward line this could have been a fairly comfortable 3-0 or 4-0. We were in total control even with those changes and the fact Watford went for it when the players took their foot off the pedal, does not translate in to LVG screwing up.
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Given Herrera went off so early, and already in the lead, LVG decided to put senior players on, which was Rojo.
Nothing wrong with that.

And we had plenty of chances, it's hardly LVG's fault the players didn't finish it.

Clearly by the second half, fatigue kicked in and we got sloppy.
Who knows what would've happened in we didn't flood the midfield with players.
 
We expected a tough opponent and we ground out a deserved win. The entertainment quotient was quite low, tbh, until Bastian stood tall at the end.

Top of the table for now. Enjoy!
 
Miscemayl said:
Given Herrera went off so early, and already in the lead, LVG decided to put senior players on, which was Rojo.
Nothing wrong with that.

And we had plenty of chances, it's hardly LVG's fault the players didn't finish it.

Clearly by the second half, fatigue kicked in and we got sloppy.
Who knows what would've happened in we didn't flood the midfield with players.
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Totally agree, but the haters will be haters.
 
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