He also makes a boat load on endorsements and products, so his football salary is only a fraction of what he makes, which sort casts doubt on the "he wants a final big paycheck" theory. He has the ability to finish his career with a top club and win a few more trophies in the process.
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He also makes a boat load on endorsements and products, so his football salary is only a fraction of what he makes, which sort casts doubt on the "he wants a final big paycheck" theory. He has the ability to finish his career with a top club and win a few more trophies in the process.
They haven't bought him back for 60m though, have they?
Not sure what you mean. The price imo, would be irrelevant and would surely be recouped through success and merchandise.
By that I mean the transfer fee. He'll cover that fee. He did so many years ago for Real. Beckham did it before his first season was over.
You can't get around paying people they're wages. United have more than enough money to cover that.
I wasn't making a point. Simply listing players that were older. You know, in line with the post I quoted.
I said it before - if Real sale Ronaldo the price will be lot less than 60m pounds.
Just for example:
Schweinsteiger 30 years old - 7m pounds
RVP 29 years old - 24m pounds
Ibrahimovic 30 years old - 21m euros
Players who are on the wrong side of 30 are just not sold for a lot of money, i can't see Ronaldo being sold by more than 30-40 pounds at a push.
Just for example:
Schweinsteiger 30 years old - 7m pounds
RVP 29 years old - 24m pounds
Ibrahimovic 30 years old - 21m euros
Players who are on the wrong side of 30 are just not sold for a lot of money, i can't see Ronaldo being sold by more than 30-40 pounds at a push.
You're citing "the club's decision to buy him" as a proof for your point. The club hasn't bought him for 60m, so I actually don't know where you were going with that.
Also, I never said we shouldn't touch him. I said for 30 mil (which is a LOT of money for a 31 years old) I'd still take him.
And the price matters. All clubs have budgets, that's how clubs work. Fans don't, but clubs do.
Individual player merchandise will never pay the cost of a player. Never. That's an illusion (that doesn't make any sense by the way) and a lie that Perez told a few times for two reasons: To justify the high prices in front of the fans, and to cover for the other ways he's getting money through to finance those deals (like selling Madrid's real estate for $400m, which doesn't make any sense if "his players were paying for themselves").
Also, Ronaldo's wages won't be just like "any other player's wages". It will definitely cost us a lot of money which further strain our ability to buy new players.
But that is irrelevant because it's a prestige thing, even if he made billions with something else. At Ronaldo's income level and fame status it isn't about "how much" anymore but "how much more than others". Do you think Mendes would accept negotiating Rooney level wages for his client if Ronaldo came back to United?
He's already said he wont base his future career decisions on money since how much is enough? If he chooses us over PSG then he has accepted lower wages, let's be honest
I don't think the wages matter - if Ronaldo wants to play for "x club", then Mendes and the Club will find a way to make the numbers work. Money clearly is not the only factor at work here - winning trophies and going out strong is also a massive factor.
How is it a lie? Signing Beckham transformed the economic status of that club for example.
United follow the NFL model of localised sponsorship, smaller regions rather than large markets. United make over 300% more earnings this way than our nearest competitors on the list which is Barca.
Can you imagine the rise of the value of these deals when there's a chance to have Ronaldos face endorsing the product?
Ronaldo is probably the most famous athlete in the world.
It's very difficult to qualify his "value".
Resigning him would have a long lasting effect on the club. He'd bring back a level of prestige and glamour that has been void since he left.
Real''s GalacticI policy has been hugely successful from a commercial point of view. I think signing Ronaldo would be incredible for many reasons.
It's very difficult to qualify his "value".
Resigning him would have a long lasting effect on the club. He'd bring back a level of prestige and glamour that has been void since he left.
Real''s GalacticI policy has been hugely successful from a commercial point of view. I think signing Ronaldo would be incredible for many reasons.
Precisely, the club's own brand and valuation would rise, the fan base would expand, and more trophies would be won. Who wouldn't want that.
So we are doing this again? United should be about finding next Ronaldo. Obviously not a player exactly like Ronaldo but, a player who can carry the side over the years.
Why not do both.
No he didn't!!!!
No player has ever made up for their transfer with merchandise, ever, its a load of bollocks that Madrid lied about and the myth refuses to die.
If he wants to move to PSG I'll take him in a heartbeat.
Revenue jumped 67% in first year
Annual advertising income jumped 137%
Commercial income was 80% of total income, the years pre Beckham stood at 10% of total income.
Made 16m from tour of Asia when Beckham first joined
Jumped ahead of United in money league
all this happened at the tail end of the Galaticos when the team were showing signs of struggling and under performing in Europe. It really was exceptional
i know its not strictly just merchandise but thats the economic effect these signing potentially generate
If I remember right Madrid had a total overhaul of their Commercial strategy at that time, to suggest it was all down to Beckham is quite simply insane.
When Ronaldo and Kaka both joined them in the same summer their entire commercial income stream increased by a huge €6m, a lot of which would likely have happened naturally.
Individual players do not have that big an impact on club revenue streams.
To this day Beckham is credited for being the catalyst for their financial rise to the top. He's the player who made the Galatico model work. There was no overhauling, they were simply able to demand more money from companies to sponsor them. Beckham was that huge of a accusation for them. That is why they are huge in Asia to this day.
These days Madrid players aren't bought to drastically increase their profile, they are bought to maintain it.
Also worth noting that Ronaldo is comfortably the world's most popular athlete, which will surely increase the global fan base, which in turn will result in increased merchandise sales, greater brand visibility for United, and more trophies by way of actual football. Its not worth comparing him to the likes of Becks circa 2003, since we are currently breaking new ground in terms of the mass appeal of social media.
http://www.businessinsider.com/cristiano-ronaldo-popular-athletes-2014-12
Is this the club we want to become? I know it could be argued that we already are to some extent, but not to the level of Madrid. Not by any means.
It's not a lie. I have no idea what Perez has said but the figures for Ronaldo are there to see. No player has come close in the past 5 years. Before him there was Beckham (he still sells just outside of football).
There was an overhaul though, Perez started it in 2001, building an extensive commercial partnership network in the same way United have under the Glazers. Beckham's impact is overstated, it was just the timing of when things were taking on a new level, hence why it didn't happen when Ronaldo moved there.
Bold - why didn't that happen at Madrid then?
Beckham's transfer wasn't that much. Sold record amount of shirts by a single player, more TV money, more money from tours and advertisement. Beckham is now his own brand. There's no athlete like him. Of course he was the main reason behind Real's global marketing turnaround.
Exactly! Really puzzling people keep citing this as something we should aspire to. Especially when there is a club right next to them being vastly more successful on you know, the actual pitch. All clubs do it to an extent as you say, but the extreme way Real have gone on about it did not lead to the success it should and is therefore not reasonable to use as a justification to follow it.
We are already arguably the most popular club in the World. Adding Cristiano would not change our fortunes in that regard.
It was failing pre Beckham. He opened up the entire Asian market when Madrid didn't have a look in. It's not complicated nor was Beckham in the right place at the right time.
We'll agree to disagree
Madrid figures showing an increase in their entire commit revenue stream of €6m the year after Ronaldo signed.
Because we weren't as deep into the social media era as we are now. United, for example, didn't even start their facebook page until 2012. We are in a brand new construct today and are forging new ground every year.
Madrid would have seen massive increases in their income at that time regardless of Beckham. He might have helped add a few million here or there but he's in no way the main reason for their leap, they just got better at maximising their commercial profitability, same way United have.
United would probably have seen a bigger increase sooner as well had it not been for the Nike deal somewhat hamstringing us for a good while being so long.
However, in the spirit of agreeing to disagree as you say, putting Beckham aside and looking back to Ronaldo seeing as its him being discussed - Madrid a income figures are right there and show there was no huge leap, so saying he'd somehow pay for his own transfer is nonsense.
How does that explain how signing Ronaldo and Kaka in one summer (two world record deals) had very little impact on Madrid's commercial income?
I can't speak to Kaka, but Ronaldo was not nearly as popular then as he is now, in terms of name recognition or as a global brand. In addition to being very good at football, his popularity has been spurred by social media and greater access of international audiences to watch games. It stands to reason that more fans and popularity will result in more commercial activity for the club in the present (and not in 2003 or 09).
Here is why I don't want him;
- I don't find him exciting to watch anymore
- He won't be cheap (Perez wasn't happy with the DDG thing, he will milk us). And would still demand a top salary.
- I never forgave him for pretty much begging to leave us when we were a great team.
- He relies heavily on the team creating rather than being the creative force (Neymar for example is as good a scorer as he is a creator)
- His football has actually declined, I don't think he can play out in the wings anymore. Martial is the next best thing so we don't need him to come play ST for us.
I didn't say that their revenue would increase. I only spoke specifically about Ronaldo. Kaka, Di Maria, Özil, Ramos, Modric, Benzema and Bale. Tally up their shirt selling numbers and you might get Ronaldo's tally. Since he was signed there's no one really been selling a lot of shirts like him until James' arrival. Kaka did alright but Ronaldo's number make up ~50% of their total.
Madrid figures showing an increase in their entire commit revenue stream of €6m the year after Ronaldo signed.
Ronaldo's wages and bonuses since joining Real have probably been somewhere around his transfer fee. The tax game has changed since he signed for them and Real have re-negotiated this and that so these are all mostly ball park numbers.
Sorry but playing down Ronaldo's popularity at that time is absolute nonsense, Madrid had been chasing him through the press for two years, he was the Balon d'or winner the year before, he was probably the biggest name in world football at the time.
You said Ronaldo's shirt sales would cover his transfer fee - how does that happen without an increase in revenue?
I'm not playing down his popularity at the time. He was extremely popular, but nowhere near as popular as today when people who have little interest in football are interested in him. He's easily the world's most popular athlete today.
Not only this but who knows how much money Perez has squandered in other areas that would mitigate any revenue benefits Ronaldo has brought them.
You forgot the most important point: He cannot play anymore in a team that is capable of doing both, fixing his defence liabilities, and creating room for him with the other outstanding players.
I did not see him enough recently, but in the very second when he is losing his pace, then he is done. But hopefully that's the moment when he retires. If not we will see one of the great ones going down ungracefully.
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