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Dutch investigators to study British citizen journalism probe into MH17

Prosecutors will examine work of Bellingcat, which specialises in trawling through data on social media and other open sources, which claims have identified Russian soldiers implicated in the 2014 crash

By Roland Oliphant, Moscow
04 Jan 2016


Dutch prosecutors are studying claims by a citizen journalist group that at least 20 members of a Russian air defence brigade were involved in the downing of Malaysian airlines flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine.

Bellingcat, a citizen journalism group, says it has identified up to 100 Russian soldiers from a Kursk-based air defence unit who may have knowledge of the movements of the missile launcher that destroyed the Boeing 777 on July 17, 2014.

About 20 of those individuals would “likely have had direct involvement” in the deployment to east Ukraine that led to the shoot down and nearly 300 civilian deaths, Eliot Higgins, the founder of Bellingcat, said.

Dutch prosecutors confirmed on Monday that they are “seriously studying” the claims, made in a 123-page report based on an analysis of thousands of photographs and social media posts by members of Russia’s 53rd air defence brigade.

Full article :: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...itish-citizen-journalism-probe-into-MH17.html
 
Thank God, you two are here to keep a watchful eye on how things are unraveling in Russia. What would poor Russians do without your timely reminders on how bad they have it down there.
 
Thank God, you two are here to keep a watchful eye on how things are unraveling in Russia. What would poor Russians do without your timely reminders on how bad they have it down there.

Based on past evidence, they'll mostly keep drinking the Koolaid Russian state-owned media gives them. And in fairness to them, most people who speak out too loudly in Russia end up in jail. It's better than the ones who end up dead for speaking out.

It does really sound lovely: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/alexey-navalnys-very-strange-form-of-freedom
 
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Interesting note, following the first gulf war, the opinion of Soviet era tanks went through the ground. Export Iraqi T-72s were basically garbage, and the question was, how much better could the Soviet domestic models be?

Well, the USA got its hands on actual Soviet domestic T-72s it ran a battery of tests. What they discovered, is that the T-72 was easily defeated by ammunition that had another generation of development. They also discovered that T-72s were 100% immune frontally to the generation of weapons they were designed to fight. In effect, the ERA armor on the Soviet T72s was defeating the ammunition of NATO tanks from the same generation. More modern ammunition used in the gulf wars was defeating this older ERA package, but the more modern generations of ERA being used by the Soviets and later Russians was immune to that ammunition as well.

Basically, it seems that Soviet/Russian tanks have been greatly underestimated since Gulf War 1 and the end of the Cold War when we in the west tested more modern ammunition against a generation or two old armor.

Now the opposite is true. The T-90ms the latest upgrade of the current active service model is thought to probably be neigh invulnerable to current generation NATO tank ammunition frontally, based on the manner in which each subsequent ERA package on the Soviet/Russian tanks has been proven to defeat the armor piercing ammunition of each equivalent NATO generation.
 
Interesting note, following the first gulf war, the opinion of Soviet era tanks went through the ground. Export Iraqi T-72s were basically garbage, and the question was, how much better could the Soviet domestic models be?

Well, the USA got its hands on actual Soviet domestic T-72s it ran a battery of tests. What they discovered, is that the T-72 was easily defeated by ammunition that had another generation of development. They also discovered that T-72s were 100% immune frontally to the generation of weapons they were designed to fight. In effect, the ERA armor on the Soviet T72s was defeating the ammunition of NATO tanks from the same generation. More modern ammunition used in the gulf wars was defeating this older ERA package, but the more modern generations of ERA being used by the Soviets and later Russians was immune to that ammunition as well.

Basically, it seems that Soviet/Russian tanks have been greatly underestimated since Gulf War 1 and the end of the Cold War when we in the west tested more modern ammunition against a generation or two old armor.

Now the opposite is true. The T-90ms the latest upgrade of the current active service model is thought to probably be neigh invulnerable to current generation NATO tank ammunition frontally, based on the manner in which each subsequent ERA package on the Soviet/Russian tanks has been proven to defeat the armor piercing ammunition of each equivalent NATO generation.

Thats just the ERA package though. You can within reason bolt it to anything and that section will be invulnerable. Its how the rest of the tank performs that really matters, how good its gun is and how well its systems perform. In that area NATO nations have a near 20 year head start on Russia since the fall of the Soviet regime, who also openly built the T90 with cost in mind.

Not to mention the US M1 is 20 tonnes heavier/better protected.
 
Thats just the ERA package though. You can within reason bolt it to anything and that section will be invulnerable. Its how the rest of the tank performs that really matters, how good its gun is and how well its systems perform. In that area NATO nations have a near 20 year head start on Russia since the fall of the Soviet regime, who also openly built the T90 with cost in mind.

Not to mention the US M1 is 20 tonnes heavier/better protected.

I would also add that, while I am no expert in weaponry, I feel confident in stating that, whatever the budget allocated to the production of this fearsome new tank, a large chunk of it was misappropriated. So strength on paper is most likely different from actual strength.
 
And also the level of crew training, which is also a matter of $. Plus it would be a very complex battlefield, with air support, signals jamming, etc. So obviously relevant that T-72s aren't as good as made of cardboard, but hard to know how it would play out. If anything I'd expect NATO to have air superiority over the battlespace, and be able to run missions targeting Russian supply lines.

"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics." - Gen. Robert H. Barrow, USMC

(notes the person who's not even an amateur)
 
Two years after the US backed coup Ukraine has turned into a failed state.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...4ee2e4-d04b-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html

KIEV, Ukraine — From a wood-paneled office overlooking Kiev’s Victory Avenue, Andriy Pyvovarsky, a former chief executive turned government reformer, is paid $300 a month to manage a vast ministry more reminiscent of a “holding company.”

The Ministry of Infrastructure’s bloated portfolio of almost 300 state-owned enterprises — including a railroad, seaports and roads — funnel cash to corrupt businessmen with connections to Ukraine’s parliament, he says. For months, they have blocked his attempts to privatize them.

“This is an existential issue for the deputies,” meaning members of parliament, Pyvovarsky said in an interview this month. “If the state-owned companies suddenly disappear, if they’re privately owned, then what’s in it for them? They cannot skim from those companies anymore.”

Crony capitalism was a major reason protesters toppled the pro-Russian government of President Viktor Yanukovych in 2014. After two years of a pro-Western, pro-reform government, corruption is once again fueling political crisis in Kiev. At stake are billions of dollars, much of it siphoned from state-owned enterprises, and interests that allegedly extend to Ukraine’s leadership, including business circles close to both President Petro Poroshenko and Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

The technocrats who entered the government to help implement Western-backed reforms are losing faith. Pyvovarsky was one of several reform-minded ministers to resign this month after the economy minister, Aivaras Abromavicius, said that a close friend and political ally of Poroshenko had tried to force him to hire a deputy to manage Naftogaz, the state-owned oil giant, and other potentially lucrative companies.

Abromavicius, in an acerbic resignation letter, identified the ally as Ihor Kononenko. Journalists already had dubbed him the party’s “gray cardinal,” and Ukraine’s leadership appeared shaken by the scandal. Seeing a “window of opportunity,” Pyvovarsky returned to the government in a last-ditch effort to carry out his agenda, saying that he either would see parliament pass key reforms or he would quit for good.

The result? More of the same.

“I’m not holding onto this table. I don’t want to be minister,” Pyvovarsky said. “It’s a matter of a couple of days. I’m not going to wait for six months. Or one month. I don’t trust them. I do not trust them.”

Ukraine’s parliament is unraveling by the day, and the government is more concerned about survival than passing measures to bring about broad changes. On Feb. 16, Yatsenyuk’s government narrowly survived a vote of no confidence, saved by lawmakers in Poroshenko’s party and those loyal to several oligarchs who mysteriously disappeared from parliament during the vote. Later, two of four political parties left the ruling coalition, setting up the probable return of the populist Radical Party as a junior partner.

Early elections are likely. Average Ukrainians are fed up. There have been some successes in the reform process, such as a new police force and decentralization, but the economy contracted 10.5 percent and inflation rose more than 40 percent in 2015. Political parties are thinking about positioning themselves for elections, said Balazs Jarabik, an analyst at the Carnegie Center, “not sound policy and reform-making in the parliament.”

Western governments want Ukraine to push forward with reforms but have rejected radical change to unblock Ukraine’s parliament, warning that new elections would plunge the country deeper into political crisis.

The West’s influence on the government in Kiev cannot be overstated. Ukraine needs Western financial support, including the remainder of a $17.5 billion International Monetary Fund bailout, to prop up its economy. IMF head Christine Lagarde threatened this month to cut off aid “without a substantial new effort to invigorate governance reforms and fight corruption.”

On the other hand, dismissing the government without a replacement also would risk the IMF bailout and would be like “jumping out of a plane without a parachute,” said one Western diplomat, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the situation candidly.

Poroshenko’s critics say he has played a double game: pandering to angry voters by publicly calling for Yatsenyuk to step down but privately scuttling the no-confidence vote to prevent new elections or the loss of Western aid. The diplomat, citing private channels of communication, said that he had “clear indications that Poroshenko was not going to allow” the government to fall.

Poroshenko’s main concession on reform was firing Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin, another ally who has been accused of blocking reforms and prosecutions against corrupt businessmen. Perhaps the most troubled of Ukraine’s institutions, the prosecutor general’s office is trusted by less than 10 percent of the population.

“The decision is correct but it’s late,” said Vitaly Kasko, a respected deputy prosecutor general who also resigned recently, citing personal interference by Shokin. He has said he was pressured and refused to accept instructions from Kononenko, the friend of the president. In his resignation, Kasko wrote that the prosecutor general’s office was a “dead institution, the independence of which nobody believes in.” He said that despite Shokin’s dismissal, he had no plans to return to work there.

Abromavicius, the minister of economy whose resignation triggered the crisis, said he welcomed the new scrutiny that the scandal has brought, including a code of ethics for public officials introduced by the cabinet.

“It is not too late to say goodbye to friends in politics,” he said, adding that Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk had an opportunity to restore trust in the government. “If the government collapses, it is not because of us. It is because of the things that were being done in the wrong way.”
 
If it does, its because of Corruption that existed far before the Revolution, as far back as Soviet times.
 
Thats just the ERA package though. You can within reason bolt it to anything and that section will be invulnerable. Its how the rest of the tank performs that really matters, how good its gun is and how well its systems perform. In that area NATO nations have a near 20 year head start on Russia since the fall of the Soviet regime, who also openly built the T90 with cost in mind.

Not to mention the US M1 is 20 tonnes heavier/better protected.


Well, the T-90ms is by all accounts, and reports coming out of Syria, just a fantastic machine. It's a fully modernized MBT the equal of anything around, in fact, right now the T-90ms might actually be king shit until the M1A3 begins rolling out in a few years. It has so many active and passive defense systems on it, that it seems to be proving very difficult to actually hit with a guided weapon.

You're right about ERA, but ERA is a generational system as well. The most modern versions of ERA are not on the older tanks. The T-90ms for example has the kontakt-5 era which is their most modern widely used version. The T-14 has an even newer generation of era I believe.

The point was, prior to Gulf War 1, Soviet Armor was considered to be very good. After Gulf War 1, that perception changed, but the perception changed due to a poor basis for comparison. The comparison was based on 1990's era ammunition, versus 1970's and 80's armor and armor upgrades. When they finally went back and tested those same tanks against the weapon systems they had been designed to combat, they discovered that the armor on the T-72's defeated their weapon systems.

There is also anecdotal evidence coming out of Syria right now, that missiles that have been just ravaging Syrian export T-72's are having no effect on the T-90ms' that Russia has supplied the Syrians with.

We also have to be very careful about defense industries shaping perception. Nothing says $$ to the US arms industry than "Oh my god the Russians have something better than us right now!" ;p
 
So much Russian handwringing over something that may not ever happen.

If it may never happen what was the point of the US and the EU encouraging these idiots to overthrow the legitimate government and president while destroying the remnants of law and order? It's just another proof that the West never gave a rat's ass about Ukraine and only used the coup to weaken Russia's influence in the region.
 
More accurately Russia lost control over Ukraine by trying to force it into an economic pact its people would not accept.Your whole corruption angle is really weird because "stick with Putin he will resolve your corruption problems" has to be the most terrible political slogan ever.
 
More accurately Russia lost control over Ukraine by trying to force it into an economic pact its people would not accept.Your whole corruption angle is really weird because "stick with Putin he will resolve your corruption problems" has to be the most terrible political slogan ever.

Correct - Ukraine's problem with Corruption is a direct byproduct of Russian influence, since Russia itself is so corrupt and Putin has been using mafia tactics to attempt to coerce Ukraine into submission, not to mention the recent theft of land in Crimea and persistent interference in Donbass and other southern Ukrainian cities. If you remove the Russian interference, the corruption will gradually dissipate.
 
If it may never happen what was the point of the US and the EU encouraging these idiots to overthrow the legitimate government and president while destroying the remnants of law and order? It's just another proof that the West never gave a rat's ass about Ukraine and only used the coup to weaken Russia's influence in the region.

In other words, it's ok for Russia to interfere in Ukraine (as it has been throughout Ukraine's 25 year existence as a separate state) but, when the EU gets involved, cue outrage. I agree with you to some extent - EU policy has lacked consistency, fostering false hopes, but let's not pretend the failing kleptocratic state next door has anything positive to offer or ever really cared about Ukraine. The sad truth is Ukraine missed the EU expansion boat (pre-2008 there might have been more enthusiasm to inject funds into Ukraine) and, in the absence of a change of heart in Europe, is now left with some fairly unappealing options - a disintegrating, poverty stricken state with tenuous independence or falling back into being a vassal of an unstable, slightly less poor neighbour which will face its own internal crisis before too long.
 
More accurately Russia lost control over Ukraine by trying to force it into an economic pact its people would not accept.Your whole corruption angle is really weird because "stick with Putin he will resolve your corruption problems" has to be the most terrible political slogan ever.

Where and when did I say that they needed to stick with Putin or that Russia will help them resolve corruption problems? My point is, once again the US and its allies interfered where they shouldn't have and turned a difficult situation into a nightmare with no end in sight.

Most people never read the conditions of that pact, and even if they did, most wouldn't know what to make of it. People believe what their told by the media, and in Ukraine they're owned by the oligarchs and broadcast what they feel is in their interests at any given moment. Yanukovich, for all his faults, didn't accept the EU association proposal at the time not because he was bought by Putin but rather because it was not in Ukraine's interest as a state to do so. The western propaganda does its best trying to make it look like the EU has Ukraine's best interests at heart, but it's nonsense. There's no market for most Ukrainian goods in Europe and the Russian market is all but gone. The social unrest, massive inflation and growing political crisis are making things very difficult down there and it's going to get so much worse.

The US, with a view of pulling Ukraine away from the Russia's sphere of influence, following the fall of Soviet Union have invested billions of dollars in creating various funds in Ukraine that created a school of thought that throughout its whole country's history Russia was the reason for all the bad that happened to them and represents the all-terrible past that needs to be abandoned at any cost while the western civilization is where all will be well. 80% of the Ukrainians have never been outside their country but if you've been brainwashed enough, especially the younger generations, you'll believe any fairy tale you've been told. Now it's time for a rough awakening and facing reality.
 
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Where and when did I say that they needed to stick with Putin or that Russia will help them resolve corruption problems? My point is, once again the US and its allies interfered where they shouldn't have and turned a difficult situation into a nightmare with no end in sight.

Most people never read the conditions of that pact, and even if they did, most wouldn't know what to make of it. People believe what their told by the media, and in Ukraine they're owned by the oligarchs and broadcast what they feel is in their interests at any given moment. Yanukovich, for all his faults, didn't accept the EU association proposal at the time not because he was bought by Putin but rather because it was not in Ukraine's interest as a state to do so. The western propaganda does its best trying to make it look like the EU has Ukraine's best interests at heart, but it's nonsense. There's no market for most Ukrainian goods in Europe and the Russian market is all but gone. The social unrest, massive inflation and growing political crisis are making things very difficult down there and it's going to get so much worse.

The US, with a view of pulling Ukraine away from the Russia's sphere of influence, following the fall of Soviet Union have invested billions of dollars in creating various funds in Ukraine that created a school of thought that throughout its whole country's history Russia was the reason for all the bad that happened to them and represents the all-terrible past that needs to be abandoned at any cost while the western civilization is where all will be well. 80% of the Ukrainians have never been outside their country but if you've been brainwashed enough, especially the younger generations, you'll believe any fairy tale you've been told. Now it's time for a rough awakening and facing reality.

It is fact that he was bought by Putin and his corruption has been exposed.

I think that the person making most difficulty is the Russian President by starting, leading, arming and directly militarily supporting a rebellion, seizing sovereign Ukrainian territory, annexing it and then sending in Russian army units to fight.

Other than nuking them I can't think how you could score higher on the making things more difficult scale than that.

Russian imperialistic interference in a country they guaranteed the border of and then when it suited broke their word and walked across it.

No one can wave a magic wand and fix this but that is entirely on Russia and its President and anyone who supports or excuses his actions. This needs to kept front a centre in any discussion about Ukraine's admittedly parlous state.
 
It is fact that he was bought by Putin and his corruption has been exposed.

I think that the person making most difficulty is the Russian President by starting, leading, arming and directly militarily supporting a rebellion, seizing sovereign Ukrainian territory, annexing it and then sending in Russian army units to fight.

Other than nuking them I can't think how you could score higher on the making things more difficult scale than that.

Russian imperialistic interference in a country they guaranteed the border of and then when it suited broke their word and walked across it.

No one can wave a magic wand and fix this but that is entirely on Russia and its President and anyone who supports or excuses his actions. This needs to kept front a centre in any discussion about Ukraine's admittedly parlous state.

No, it's not a fact. Yanukovich being a corrupt politician has feck all to do with Putin and Russia. Corruption was always a major problem in Ukraine, it didn't start with Yanukovich, and as we can clearly see now, it certainly didn't decrease after he'd left.

You have a very selective memory. I'd say, Putin armed and militarily supported a rebellion in reaction to the anti-constitutional coup that toppled legitimately and democratically elected president, a coup which was directly supported by the US and EU. What was he supposed to do, sit on his ass and wait for NATO fleet to arrive in Crimea and the US military bases to appear on the Russian - Ukrainian border? Let's imagine something similar on the US - Mexican border and imagine what the US State Dept would do in such scenario. I'm sure, considering their impeccable record when it comes to respecting sovereignty of other countries, Americans'd be absolutely fine with it.
 
Why Ukraine needs Russia more than ever.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/09/ukraine-needs-russia-nicolai-petro

In January Ukraine’s president, Petro Poroshenko, congratulated the country on surviving its first winter without buying Russian gas. It had instead bought European gas which, as Poroshenko pointed out proudly, was 30% more expensive.

This sums up the core problem facing the Ukrainian economy. It is not corruption, a serious issue about which little can be done in the short term, but the ideologically driven choice to sever all ties with Russia, the country that has historically been its major trading partner and chief investor.

In little over a year, living standards in Ukraine have fallen by half, the currency has lost 350% of its value, and inflation has skyrocketed to 43%. Yet, even as the economy has collapsed, the government has insisted on economic policies that can only be termed suicidal.

By tearing up contracts with Russia in 2014, Ukraine’s defence and aviation industries lost 80% of their income. Once the pride of Kiev, airline manufacturerAntonov went bankprupt and rocket engine producer Yuzhmash is now working just one day a week.

By severing banking ties with Moscow, Kiev has denied itself investment and a vital economic lifeline – the remittances sent back home by zarobitchane, Ukraine’s migrant workers. Up to seven million Ukrainians work in Russia, sending back $9bn in 2014 – three times the total foreign direct investment Ukraine got last year.

Reckless government borrowing has exacerbated the problem. The government was able to write off 20% of its Eurobond debt last October, allowing it to negotiate for the next IMF loan tranche which was expected in December but still not been received.

But the draconian terms imposed for this small beer are often overlooked.Ukraine will be repaying this debt until 2041, with future generations giving western creditors as much as half of the country’s GDP growth, should it ever reach 4% a year.

There is a common thread that links the government’s irrational economic behavior – the understandable desire to spite Vladimir Putin. Alas, it is the average Ukrainian citizen who pays the price.

There can also be no doubt that Poroshenko approves of this approach. In his first speech of 2016 he announced new priorities for the Ukrainian economy. The government intends to end subsidies to manufacturing and industry, and instead promote investment in information technologies and agriculture.

It is not at all clear, however, where he will sell this produce, since by signing a free trade agreement with the EU, Ukraine lost its preferential access to its largest market, Russia.

Meanwhile, EU certification allows only 72 Ukrainian companies to export goods to the EU. Of these, 39 licenses are for honey. While that may sound like a lot of honey, Ukraine exported its yearly quota for honey in the first six weeks of 2016.

Nor is it clear how Poroshenko plans to make Ukrainian agriculture globally competitive when, as his own agriculture minister points out, four out of five agricultural companies are bankrupt. It is also unclear who will pay foragricultural machinery, 80% of which is imported.

Such policies have led to a steady erosion of government popularity, with 70% of Ukrainians saying the country is on wrong track and 85% say they do not trust the prime minister. Poroshenko’s popularity is now lower than that of his predecessor, Viktor Yanukovich, on the eve of the Maidan rebellion that ousted him.

But while less than 2% describe the country as “stable,” a new revolt does not seem imminent. So far, the regime has been able to provide explanations that deflect attention away from its own role in Ukraine’s economic demise.

The first is Russia’s annexation of Crimea and the rebellion in the east, which are commonly cited as reasons for the fall in GDP. While it’s true that these caused significant economic damage, it has been exacerbated by the government’s own policies which, despite insisting Russophone eastern regions are part of Ukraine, has cut them off from economic ties and punished the population for siding with Russia.

Another favourite argument of the current government is that Ukraine simply has no choice but to respond to Russian aggression by imposing its own sanctions.The beauty of this argument is that, while it may not make economic sense, it makes a great deal of political sense for those now in power.

The destruction of Ukraine’s industrial base, which is heavily concentrated in the east, shifts the balance of economic and political power to the western regions, permanently marginalising opposing political voices. The advantages are clear. Fostering a sense of perpetual crisis allows the current government to argue that it must remain in power, to see its policies through. The only uncertainty is whether such a strategy can bear fruit before the country’s economy collapses.

This is not a policy that the west can endorse. Regardless of political sympathies, no western government should tolerate the deliberate impoverishment of the population for political gain. The risks of Ukraine becoming a failed state, and adding millions more to Europe’s burgeoning refugee crisis, are simply too high.

The best way to avoid such an outcome is to recognise that Ukraine’s economic survival depends not on western bailouts but on the renewal of Russian investment there. Western policymakers should insist that economic rationality take precedence over economic nationalism, and make that a condition of assistance.

Until that happens, it is hard to imagine anyone investing in Ukraine’s future, including its own people.
 
A bit like Chicago establishments 80 years ago needed Al Capone more than ever.
 
I love the tutelage based type arguments. And then they speak about sovereignty.

"Russia, I need you!" :lol:
 
A bit like Chicago establishments 80 years ago needed Al Capone more than ever.

Did you read the article? Here are few things that might enlighten a few here:

"This sums up the core problem facing the Ukrainian economy. It is not corruption, a serious issue about which little can be done in the short term, but the ideologically driven choice to sever all ties with Russia, the country that has historically been its major trading partner and chief investor.

In little over a year, living standards in Ukraine have fallen by half, the currency has lost 350% of its value, and inflation has skyrocketed to 43%. Yet, even as the economy has collapsed, the government has insisted on economic policies that can only be termed suicidal.

By tearing up contracts with Russia in 2014, Ukraine’s defence and aviation industries lost 80% of their income. Once the pride of Kiev, airline manufacturerAntonov went bankprupt and rocket engine producer Yuzhmash is now working just one day a week.

By severing banking ties with Moscow, Kiev has denied itself investment and a vital economic lifeline – the remittances sent back home by zarobitchane, Ukraine’s migrant workers. Up to seven million Ukrainians work in Russia, sending back $9bn in 2014 – three times the total foreign direct investment Ukraine got last year.

Reckless government borrowing has exacerbated the problem. The government was able to write off 20% of its Eurobond debt last October, allowing it to negotiate for the next IMF loan tranche which was expected in December but still not been received.

But the draconian terms imposed for this small beer are often overlooked.Ukraine will be repaying this debt until 2041, with future generations giving western creditors as much as half of the country’s GDP growth, should it ever reach 4% a year.

There is a common thread that links the government’s irrational economic behavior – the understandable desire to spite Vladimir Putin. Alas, it is the average Ukrainian citizen who pays the price.

There can also be no doubt that Poroshenko approves of this approach. In his first speech of 2016 he announced new priorities for the Ukrainian economy. The government intends to end subsidies to manufacturing and industry, and instead promote investment in information technologies and agriculture.

It is not at all clear, however, where he will sell this produce, since by signing a free trade agreement with the EU, Ukraine lost its preferential access to its largest market, Russia.

Meanwhile, EU certification allows only 72 Ukrainian companies to export goods to the EU. Of these, 39 licenses are for honey. While that may sound like a lot of honey, Ukraine exported its yearly quota for honey in the first six weeks of 2016.

Nor is it clear how Poroshenko plans to make Ukrainian agriculture globally competitive when, as his own agriculture minister points out, four out of five agricultural companies are bankrupt. It is also unclear who will pay foragricultural machinery, 80% of which is imported.

Such policies have led to a steady erosion of government popularity, with 70% of Ukrainians saying the country is on wrong track and 85% say they do not trust the prime minister. Poroshenko’s popularity is now lower than that of his predecessor, Viktor Yanukovich, on the eve of the Maidan rebellion that ousted him."
 
In little over a year, living standards in Ukraine have fallen by half, the currency has lost 350% of its value, and inflation has skyrocketed to 43%. Yet, even as the economy has collapsed, the government has insisted on economic policies that can only be termed suicidal.

That's some interesting math right there.
 
No, it's not a fact. Yanukovich being a corrupt politician has feck all to do with Putin and Russia. Corruption was always a major problem in Ukraine, it didn't start with Yanukovich, and as we can clearly see now, it certainly didn't decrease after he'd left.

You have a very selective memory. I'd say, Putin armed and militarily supported a rebellion in reaction to the anti-constitutional coup that toppled legitimately and democratically elected president, a coup which was directly supported by the US and EU. What was he supposed to do, sit on his ass and wait for NATO fleet to arrive in Crimea and the US military bases to appear on the Russian - Ukrainian border? Let's imagine something similar on the US - Mexican border and imagine what the US State Dept would do in such scenario. I'm sure, considering their impeccable record when it comes to respecting sovereignty of other countries, Americans'd be absolutely fine with it.

On the flip side I bet you would not be fine with a US invasion of Mexico. And so what if the US fleet had shown up in Crimea, having been invited by the Ukrainians, are you really saying the very fear of that event happening justifies an invasion of another country? BEcause let's face it you are essentially arguing that point whether you want to be honest with yourself and us or not.

How about something more modern, would the US and South Korea be justified in launching attacks on North Korea given North Korea's constant threats of nuclear war? Or would you justify North Korea re-starting combat with the US and South Korea over these annual military exercises? After all they claim to feel threatened by them and they are happening right over their border.

Bottom line is it really that difficult just to say Putin's invasion is wrong without trying to justify it all the time?
 
I think he meant the exchange rate. Right before the revolution in December 2013 it was around 8 hryvnias to 1 USD, now it's around 26 hryvnias to 1 USD.

I know, the correct phrase would be "the US dollar appreciated 210% vs. the Hyrvana". Which is not a very informative way to look at it, so it would be better to say that the currency lost 70% of its value. Just being a prick, nothing more to add.