I guess you are one of those who thought we'd give Moyes six years to get the hang of things. At best Rooney will be given next season to prove he still has it, if he fails again, contract or not he will be done here. Its only that Van Gaal has protected him up to now but if United are to get back where they want to be then a manager who puts the team's interests ahead of one player's is a must.In 2019 he has a guaranteed contract with top salary. He will definitely be in the club.
In 2019 he will be the all time top scorer of Man Utd. A legend, surpassing Sir Charlton. All time top scorer! I don't know why some people fail to realize that this is a big deal! It is HUGE!
No senior player with "legend" status has ever been stripped of the captaincy! Rooney will be the captain for as long as he is a player of Man Utd. I don't care to guess how many games he will play, but when he plays he will be the captain.
None of the above is sentimental. Is it the reality! I haven't touched the subject of whether he is a good player or not, nor the fictitious estimates of how good he will be in 2019 and how much he will play. Just hard, cold facts: In 2019, Rooney will be the captain of Man Utd.
The end of Rooney
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
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The way I see it, this case could be made when he signed his last contract. SAF gone, massively underwhelming manager coming in to replace him, several senior players leaving or very close to retirement all lead to the perception of a club on the brink of crisis - this is not just clear in hindsight, a lot of us were very nervous about Moyes and an inevitable SAF hangover and our ability to attract big players. If Rooney had gone to Chelsea that summer we would have missed him IMO, it would have been a kick in the nuts when we were already on the floor - I think that is true in terms of football but it is even more so when it comes to perception, which is also very important when it comes to attracting top players. I can see why Woodward panicked and allowed this absurd contract to be signed, especially given he had barely got his feet under the table in his CEO's office. It really was a perfect storm of inexperience and ineptitude on our part.
But now? I fail to see how Rooney is important to the club now. He isnt as marketable as he used to be, nobody thinks he is England's or United's best player anymore. The club can probably squeeze a few quid out of him passing Charlton's record but that is peanuts compared to what we make by getting back to regular winning ways. Give Rashford and Martial the service they need to fire us to a PL title and they will have companies falling over themselves to give them endorsements. Bring in a galactico or two to sell some shirts or encourage ST sales, they can give more of a boost than Rooney can at this stage.
He is in the twilight of his career and his importance to the club has waned significantly and he is now a fairly peripheral figure. His main relevance now is as a kind of imposing, potentially explosive risk factor, like a ticking time bomb in the dressing room, serving little purpose but with the possibility it will explode and cause considerable damage to the rest of the squad if it isnt shown sufficient love and affection.
Top post mate.
I agree with everything you said. What I meant is he is our most high profile player still. This is how Ed would see it as he is in the marketing business and having a figure head like Rooney sells especially Asia and Middle East. We could definately replace him with better players and you are right with Martial and the Rasher, they are the future. But the reality is selling a product in Asia doesn't do well with black people, see them practical eliminate that dude Boyega from the Star Wars poster, the main character for feck sake.
This why I stressed that we need a 10/AM more than we need a striker. If we go into the season with Rooney as a designated striker we have Rashford and/or Martial to fall back on when Rooney inevitably shits the bed but if we sign a big name striker we would have no one to take over in the hole and this will feck us over because the creativity of the team will be affected.
Also, whoever is the manager shouldn't wait for a significant portion of the season to elapse before making a decision to drop Rooney. He should understand that he works for Manchester United not Rooney Incorporated!
Rooney will never end. He's like a really shit version of brand Beckham. Wherever he goes, whatever he does in life, we will hear about it.
At this rate, I expect him to stay at United until he's 40.
At this rate, I expect him to stay at United until he's 40.
Personally, I never wanted Moyes, and I joined redcafe in Sept 2013 because I wanted to voice my opinion that he should be sacked immediately! Yes, September 2013!
However, if you follow football, you certainly know that player contracts and manager contracts are not similar at all, so there is no comparison. Plus, Rooney is the all-time top scorer and a legend of Man Utd. Moyes is nothing. You are really deluded if you believe that Rooney's contract will be terminated!
1-0 to the Singha All Stars brought me to the realization that Manchester United made a massive mistake.
He is the top scorer for England and Man Utd!
It is certain that his fame will be increasing with time. Twenty years from now, people will still talk about Rooney. He will remain important to the club for decades, and that's why it is imperative for the club to maintain a good relationship with Rooney. And it will, our owners are good businessmen!
Plus, he still sells a lot of shirts!
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...o-memphis-depay-the-top-selling-player-shirts
Nobody can or would want to take his achievements away from him. But we need to be looking forward. We should be more interested in who is going to score most goals next season, not who has scored most goals in the past. What people talk about in 20 years is completely irrelevant as far as Im concerned, but even if it is relevant, as I said before, what happens now is not going to change that conversation. People still talk about Dennis Law, he went to City and scored a goal that relegated us. People still talk about Ronaldo - he left. People will still talk about Van Nistelrooy, he left too, also under less than perfect circumstances. If he leaves as the second highest scorer in our history he will still be remembered fondly. More so than if he stays and has 2 or 3 more seasons like this one and is seen to be holding us back.
As for the shirts, if he left and we signed another star striker we would still sell a ton of shirts. Im no expert on this but I always think the economics around this debate are a bit questionable. Do people buy shirts because of a player? Or do they buy a shirt and then decide who their favourite player is and have that put on? If its the latter, Rooney leaving shouldnt make too much of a difference to sales. Even if its the former, that is surely more an effect when you sign someone new. Like, we go out and sign Neymar in July, a load of people will surely go out and buy Neymar shirts. I imagine from a shirt selling perspective, "out with the old and in with the new" is the name of the game. Shirt Muppets are basically just Transfer Muppets in the megastore.
I have said nothing about who will play next year, how many games Rooney will start, who will be the focus of our attack and so on. I haven't even written anything about whether Rooney is a good player right now.
That's not the topic of this thread! The title says: "The end of Rooney."
And some people say that he will transferred. Or that his contract will be ... terminated(!). Or bullshit like that.
To those people I have answered that Rooney will definitely stay till 2019 because he has a great contract. That's three years from now. And he will remain captain, because no legend has been stripped of his captaincy. I have no idea how many games he will start in 2019, but when he starts he will be the captain.
And Rooney will remain with the club after he retires. There is no "end" of Rooney, the thread is absurd.
Ok good for you. Seems like we have nothing left to talk about then.
I very much doubt that Rooney will be more popular in 20 years than now. Actually, I'm quite certain that isn't going to be the case unless he becomes a great manager and still influences the game.
Take Bryan Robson. He's a true United legend. Do you think that he's more popular now than when he was in his prime? Not a chance. In 20 years Rooney will be remembered well only in England. He's not Messi, Ronaldo, Pele, Cruyff, Best, etc. He is not a top 100 player of all time. A player like Zico was miles better than Rooney. Is Zico particularly famous now? I'm not sure about that.
Sir Bobby Charlton's records stood for 50 years and Rooney broke them. He will definitely be remembered in the club. I am talking about Man Utd, not China. Rooney's records may ramain for another 50 years, who knows?
http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-And-Staff/Legends.aspx?sortOrder=goals
Yeah, he's such a fabulous, world class legend that thousands of United and England fans want him dropped.
Bobby Charlton's records aren't the main reason why he has been so popular. He's achieved much more than Rooney. It's illusion to think that people will think that much about who holds the record for most goals. If in 20 years Rooney is still considered a top 10 player in United history by some fans, then those 20 years will have been terrible. Credit to Rooney's achievements at United but the club is much bigger than Best or Charlton, let alone Rooney. When you defend Rooney on here, you should try to explain why it is good for United to have him till the end of his contract and not to point out obvious facts about his career. No one denies that Rooney has been great servant to the club. The question is whether the club still need him on the pitch. This is the point of the discussion, not how famous Rooney is or will be.
Remind us of that glorious night he broke the records.
Rooney in the same breathe as Bobby? It's all over boys, pack up and let's go home!
I hope it is clear to everyone that Rooney will remain in the club till 2019 (probably more) because he has a great contract. And history suggests that he will remain a captain. It does not seem that anyone has any serious questions about this. I am not sure why we need this additional thread, the "end" of Rooney is obviously baloney.
Now, for player performances, there is a Rooney thread:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/wayne-rooney-2015-16-performances.406644/page-281
Now, for player performances, there is a Rooney thread:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/wayne-rooney-2015-16-performances.406644/page-281
Of course there's an "end" of Rooney in United colors. Noone gives a single feck what he does once he's out of the team whether that's the next Fred the red, tea lady or club ambassador #50. Fair enough that you think he'll hang around till 2019 but I'm sorry his time in the team will come to and end. He'll also die like all humans do so there's that end too but you should steer clear of disturbing thoughts like that one.
And I am not sure how many of you know the numbers and the history. For those who don't know, here is a comparison:
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...t-best-england-scoring-record#:qNzaXdEV6WtowA
Sir Bobby got most of his goals in friendlies (75% of his goals), against very weak opposition when England was winning 8-0, or something like that. Sir Bobby did win the world cup, but this was played in England and the referees were quite friendly to the National team in that tournament...
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...t-best-england-scoring-record#:qNzaXdEV6WtowA
Sir Bobby got most of his goals in friendlies (75% of his goals), against very weak opposition when England was winning 8-0, or something like that. Sir Bobby did win the world cup, but this was played in England and the referees were quite friendly to the National team in that tournament...
Have you actually seen Rooney play in world cups? It's been shambolic. Apart from euro 2004 he's been an expert at scoring agaisnt qualification stage cannon fodder only to stink up the international competition.
Also, Sir Bobby wasn't a CF?
Rooney is as much of a midfielder as Walcott is a centre forward.
The fact that you're bigging up Rooney against Sir Bobby says a lot. You come across as a huge fan and that's makes useful discussion difficult.
The answers are in page 4. Read the whole thing, it is interesting.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...gland-scoring-record?page=0,3#:vuK0TGl4WmtowA
I'll read it but can you answer my questions?
the feck is that supposed to prove? Other than you being a bigger fan of Rooney than @wr8_utd (sorry wr8).Thanks, moderator.
I completely agree with the article, see below. Rooney obviously did not do well in the world cups. The total goals are 1 for Rooney, 4 for Sir Bobby.
World Cup finals
Wayne Rooney: 11 (1); 1 goal every 11 games
Bobby Charlton: 14 (4); 1 goal every 3.5 games
Contrasting fortunes for both players here. For Rooney the World Cup has been a source of frustration; he only registered his first goal in the summer against Uruguay. In previous tournaments he has either been recovering from injury (2006) or suffering from poor form (2010).
Charlton, while hardly matching the stats of Rooney in the European Championship, has an impressive record at the World Cup, scoring goals against Argentina in the 1962 group stage, and Eusebio's Portugal (twice) and Mexico in 1966.
This reduced goals-to-game tally can be aligned to the superior quality of opponents. In the three World Cups he featured in, Charlton faced Brazil twice (1962, 1970), West Germany twice (1966, 1970), Argentina twice (1962, 1966) and Portugal (1966).
Bobby bagged twice against Portugal in the '66 semis
VERDICT: Just look at the stats: Rooney would agree that his World Cup performances haven't lived up to high expectations. Charlton, meanwhile, has scored goals in tournaments where England have faced impressive opposition. Plus he's won the thing.
This is getting increasingly bizarre and disturbing.
now to savour him in centre mid v Palace...
It proves that Sir Bobby is a bigger fan of Rooney than yourself!
You think this mismatch between his wages and performances can be sustained for three more years without an outcry and breakdown of relations? I think not because as long as he continues to mirror this club's decline he will be targeted for criticism and his last good season will grow more and more into oblivion - something will have to give because three years is very long time in football.
I think you are placing way too much importance on a scoring record which won't matter much if we continue to lose and Rooney being the central figure of our attack is certain to confirm that trend.
Why is nick2004 constantly saying Rooney is our all time top scorer? He even said it and then posted a link that proved he isn't our top scorer!
No issues. Love Rooney
Broken record but his first touch is so damn awful. It's actually pub level.
Then we agree on that. Cool.