This is actually a good question.
They didn't spend much under him at Madrid, Bale and James came after him and Ronaldo and Kaka before.
Might be Shevchenko? Think he was still at Chelsea then?
Jose's signings and those possibly leaving this summer?
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This is actually a good question.
They didn't spend much under him at Madrid, Bale and James came after him and Ronaldo and Kaka before.
Might be Shevchenko? Think he was still at Chelsea then?
James and Barkley? Nah mate we won't sign 2 big money #10's. If you sign James for the amount it'll cost, you don't play him on the right wing.
I think their will be loads of kids on loan and ones like Powell, Wilson who might be sold. Keane will be gone as well. I think he would like Jones, but his injury record is not in his favour. He might not want to risk keeping him, not signing a CB, then Jones injures himself. If he signs Zlatan, he would bring the physicality that Fellaini does. I don't think there will be as many changes as people think.
Chelsea are a funny club, you are never sure if that type is a Jose signing or a Roman one. Wasn't he a friend of the owner?
Jose has been assessing the squad since December.
He should have a strong idea of who he wants out unlike Van Gaal.
He should have a strong idea of who he wants out unlike Van Gaal.
That one had Roman written all over it
I think we can be fairly sure that was an Abramovich signing.
Always thought Mourinho was the manager muppet dream. Most of his signings are those you want as a fan (at least for me) so I'm expecting some pretty hyped quality players.
I don't know if it was Mourinho or the Chelsea board but tbf to them they always got their transfer business done quick and early in his time at the club.
I can see something like:
Out: Young, Fellaini, Rojo
Loan: Depay, Januzaj, Pereira, Wilson, Keane, Blackett
Release: Powell, Valdes
Renew: Carrick
In: Stones, Ibrahimovich, Mane, Khedira.
I think we'll try for Griezmann and then Pogba but they won't come off.
Out: Young, Fellaini, Rojo
Loan: Depay, Januzaj, Pereira, Wilson, Keane, Blackett
Release: Powell, Valdes
Renew: Carrick
In: Stones, Ibrahimovich, Mane, Khedira.
I think we'll try for Griezmann and then Pogba but they won't come off.
Don't reckon he'll let go of anyone at all. Why would he? We can afford it and he can't afford to be caught short.
Morale of the team. Nothing like a player stinking the place up.
you what mate?
I don't see anything wrong with hoping we keep mata.
Fellaini is a bit of an odd one i guess, but i would, if he was kept as an option from the bench. Wouldn't want to start him, but then i would say the same for herrera.
The difference is fellaini is really good at being a big lump and actually finished the season very well. Herrera is an average midfielder, playing in a position where we could easily buy an upgrade.
Yeah this sums my feelings up quite well actually.
I think he'll be content with our midfielders. From what I saw, he used to play 1 defensive minded midfielder and then 2 attacking midfielders who would help in defense(At Chelsea, Matic with Fabregas and Oscar in front of him).
He'll maybe have Schneiderlin cover the defensive side and play Rooney and Herrera(Or a new signing if he feels he needs one) in front of him, both capable of helping out in the midfield. I also think he'll use Memphis to his strengths. Memphis has got a full Summer and preseason to work on his explosiveness and speed, which will benefit the style of play I think Mourinho will use.
He'll definitely need a full back or two. Darmian looked good at the beginning of the season, but it was unusual for him to play lots of consecutive games, given that he had a winter break and no Champions League at Torino. I think he'll improve this season. Valencia has looked good after his injury but there are many instances where his lack of experience at full back kept the opposition attackers onside. Rojo is just not good enough.
I can't see him using Fellaini much. He's too slow and if things are not looking good, I don't think Mourinho will play him up front.
He'll want to sign a striker.. Someone like Higuain who is good enough and wouldn't be one of the tough targets with no Champions League football.
A center back is definitely needed as I don't think Blind is good enough to play there(Despite his good season)
I think he'll buy 1 midfielder, a winger, a striker and a center back(I wouldn't mind two)
He'll probably get rid of Fellaini, Rojo and Valencia who are just not good enough
Also, I would like it if he played Fosu-Mensah in midfield
He'll maybe have Schneiderlin cover the defensive side and play Rooney and Herrera(Or a new signing if he feels he needs one) in front of him, both capable of helping out in the midfield. I also think he'll use Memphis to his strengths. Memphis has got a full Summer and preseason to work on his explosiveness and speed, which will benefit the style of play I think Mourinho will use.
He'll definitely need a full back or two. Darmian looked good at the beginning of the season, but it was unusual for him to play lots of consecutive games, given that he had a winter break and no Champions League at Torino. I think he'll improve this season. Valencia has looked good after his injury but there are many instances where his lack of experience at full back kept the opposition attackers onside. Rojo is just not good enough.
I can't see him using Fellaini much. He's too slow and if things are not looking good, I don't think Mourinho will play him up front.
He'll want to sign a striker.. Someone like Higuain who is good enough and wouldn't be one of the tough targets with no Champions League football.
A center back is definitely needed as I don't think Blind is good enough to play there(Despite his good season)
I think he'll buy 1 midfielder, a winger, a striker and a center back(I wouldn't mind two)
He'll probably get rid of Fellaini, Rojo and Valencia who are just not good enough
Also, I would like it if he played Fosu-Mensah in midfield
He'd do well to mess up the morale from this position. He might let somebody go if another club makes a big offer but I can't see it. Our squad isn't deep in any position
That looks about right. CB and Striker are critical and no expense will be spared to bring in whoever Jose wants. Putting the old muppet hat on, we could buy Pogba, Griezmann, Stones, plus Ibra and sell Januzaj, Rojo, Darmian, Jones, Blind, Young, Wilson, Blackett, McNair, and Fellaini for about a net spend of £150m.
This would buy us quality at each position and allow us to move about 8 players who probably wouldn't feature much and in the process make space for this year's breakthrough youth players (Rashford, TFM, CBJ, plus Perreira) to compete for more playing time.
Players want to play for a top manager. There is none better than Mourinho. I doubt he will simply get rid of players. Think he will add a top battling midfielder. A winger or two and a CB. One or two may be sold. Simply because they are not good enough. But I don't expect wholesale changes.
I hope Fellaini is sold. I hate that he's a United player.
Since the team isn't short of squad players, our signings this summer are expected to be big and most likely on high salaries, so i don't expect departures to be just the loaned kids, we'll need few top earners to leave as well.
We're at a tremendous advantage this summer in that not only do we have United factor, but it is compounded by playing at United and being coached by Mourinho and getting pretty high wages to boot. That will offset any disadvantage of not being in the CL for a year.
No matter what he does, we'll improve immeasurably once he does away with LVG's much loved obsession of making sure half of our defense is made up of midfielders.
Blind had some good games, but is it any wonder we've been on such a decline the last couple of years?
What top team in football would have Valencia as a right back and Blind as a centre back?
Build from the back, be solid, results and confidence will come.
Blind had some good games, but is it any wonder we've been on such a decline the last couple of years?
What top team in football would have Valencia as a right back and Blind as a centre back?
Build from the back, be solid, results and confidence will come.
Most expensive Mourinho players for each club:
Porto: Benni McCarthy - £2.6m
Chelsea: Shevchenko - £31m
Inter: Milito - £20m
Real Madrid: Modric - £32m
Chelsea 2: Costa - £30m
Might have some figures wrong but it seems about right. Could argue about his record transfer at Inter as he swapped Zlatan for Eto'o but he also got a bunch of cash in the process so I dunno, depends on how you'd value Zlatan.
Problem he has is that Bayern are attractive, Real, damn them, are CL winners, yet again. Then here Pep is attractive to some, Klopp will be to some. Conte is in at Chelsea, London being attractive to some. Spurs and Arsenal will want to strengthen and also have CL football. It won't be easy.
Young earns a ridiculous amount of money for what he offers.
I don't think Jose will be that aggressive in his first Summer here. I think he'll take time to assess the majority of the squad and is unlikely to outright sell more than 3-4 player's. The likes of Darmian, Blind & Jones I particularly see him as keeping them here, even if only as rotation options. He also tends to use loans as a platform for getting bigger fees for his players so I could certainly see Depay/Januzaj at one of the better Italian clubs with a view to making £30m out of them next Summer (unless they improve hugely and we bring them back).
My view is a marquee signing might depend upon a bit of a transfer merry go round. With Madrids imminent transfer ban they could well sign Aubamayang & Pogba, which may have ramifications for Benzema/Kroos/Isco/James, which may then trigger other players leaving (say Cavani if Benzema went to PSG).
Personally though I'd stay clear of a lot of those kind of player's. If we can't get the likes of Aubamayang, Pogba or Griezmann we should get a quality young player in that position.
I also think many people on here are underestimating the current squad because of the LBG effect and how much more Mourinho will get out of many of our current crop.
Out: Rojo, Powell, Valdes, Young, McNair, Fellaini
Loan: Januzaj, Keane, Wilson, Blackett, Pereira
In: Ibrahimovic, New CB, New CM, New Winger
XI: De Gea; Valencia*, Smalling, New CB, Shaw; Schneiderlin*, New CM, Rooney; New Winger, Ibrahimovic, Martial
Sub: Romero; Darmian, Jones, Blind, Borthwick-Jackson, Varela, Fosu-Mensah; Carrick, Herrera, Schweinsteiger, Mata, Lingard, Memphis; Rashford
* Valencia and Schneiderlin still very much need to nail down those positions, but I think they can and expect them to make the most appearances there.
Loan: Januzaj, Keane, Wilson, Blackett, Pereira
In: Ibrahimovic, New CB, New CM, New Winger
XI: De Gea; Valencia*, Smalling, New CB, Shaw; Schneiderlin*, New CM, Rooney; New Winger, Ibrahimovic, Martial
Sub: Romero; Darmian, Jones, Blind, Borthwick-Jackson, Varela, Fosu-Mensah; Carrick, Herrera, Schweinsteiger, Mata, Lingard, Memphis; Rashford
* Valencia and Schneiderlin still very much need to nail down those positions, but I think they can and expect them to make the most appearances there.
Think Keane and Blackett will go, nowhere near good enough unfortunately. Also younger players have jumped ahead of them, so no point keeping them.
I don't think there's much for him to assess that he hasn't already assessed during the months leading up to his appointment. Darmian, Blind, and Jones may seem like handy utility players but I don't sense he will feel obliged to keep all of them if he has other players from the outside in mind. There will also of course be considerable pressure from Woodward to move players out in order to pursue big name (and high transfer fee) signings in order to reduce the net spend and manage the wage bill.
I do agree with your last sentence to the extent that Mourinho will get the current group performing better than LvG did, which basically just means getting more goals. If we raise our goals from 49 to 75, we will win the league imo.
One of the reasons they initially fell out was because Abramovic wanted him but Jose didn't.
It probably wouldn't be fair to the rest of the league...
Another question will be how much transfer kitty is there for Jose, 150m at least?
I don't think he will go for world class or star players except maybe Ibrahim who he already knows. His ideal signing is an established player but not one who is already world class.
... so in other words you want a team even smaller than what we had this year?
James might want to stay at Madrid ,but they want to get rid and have started the character assassination.
Don't forget that Ozil and Di Maria were both desperate to stay and Real culled them ruthlessly.
That's why I said they might want to stay, but it might not be their choice. Mendes being his agent could be a big advantage to us if he can persuade him to come. Just don't want another ADM whose heart wasn't in it, but LvG's handling of him did not help. I think Jose would have got more from him.
I think just like every window the Caf will convince themselves that Valencia,Young and Fellaini will be sold.
But come Sept 1,they all will be here and will start their fair share of games.
But come Sept 1,they all will be here and will start their fair share of games.
I'm very cautious of players that will give half hearted efforts.
That's why I am not sold on James at all.
Mourinho likes a small squad. Bear in mind the aggregate appearances of the 4 incoming players would be at least twice the minutes of the outgoing players barring serious injury.
Then there's also the fact that Jones can't play less next season than he has this season and Luke Shaw is unlikely to be injured all season.
It'd still be:
GK: DDG, Romero
LB: Shaw, CBJ
CB: Stones, Jones
CB: Smalling, TFM
RB: Valencia, Darmian
#6: Blind, Carrick, Schneiderlin
#8: Schweinsteiger, Herrera, Khedira
#10: Mata, Rooney
LW: Martial
RW: Mane, Lingard
CF: Ibrahimovich, Rashford
24 player's competing for 11 positions. Add in the versatility of Blind, Valencia, Mata, Rooney etc and you have good cover all over the pitch.
He may well keep Young as a further backup.
He's a real talent, but not sure about his attitude. You at least want players who will try their best.