Mass shooting at Gay night club in Orlando

JustAFan said:
First I am hearing about 1000 rounds being fired or the gun battle lasting that long. though I guess if you are firing 1000 rounds you probably are not aiming much.
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MrMarcello said:
This gem is making the rounds on social media now.

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A loaded conventional 30 round mag is 1 pound. So you're talking about 30 pounds total if he had 30 loaded mags. I've never seen a mag carrier that's worn on the body that holds anywhere near that many, but he could easily have been carrying them in a duffle bag.
 
Carolina Red said:
That is awesome. How is the govt able to do that?
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In NC, people with purchase permits for handguns or concealed carry permits are checked daily for arrests or warrants as well. If something shows up, their permits get revoked. It's entirely up to the holder to surrender it. They can be charged if they don't, but they can always say they've already used it, lost it, etc. since there's no efficient way to verify that they have used it. In SC, they don't have a purchase permit system for handguns so Dylann Roof was able to purchase a handgun when he would have been prevented from doing so in NC because the permits are individually reviewed along with their criminal history.

There are a number of charges in addition to felonies (domestic violence, etc) that would cause a revocation.
 
Sir Matt said:
In NC, people with purchase permits for handguns or concealed carry permits are checked daily for arrests or warrants as well. If something shows up, their permits get revoked. It's entirely up to the holder to surrender it. They can be charged if they don't, but they can always say they've already used it, lost it, etc. since there's no efficient way to verify that they have used it. In SC, they don't have a purchase permit system for handguns so Dylann Roof was able to purchase a handgun when he would have been prevented from doing so in NC because the permits are individually reviewed along with their criminal history.

There are a number of charges in addition to felonies (domestic violence, etc) that would cause a revocation.
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I've noticed that most concealed carry systems are very similar to Canada's.
 
Sir Matt said:
In NC, people with purchase permits for handguns or concealed carry permits are checked daily for arrests or warrants as well. If something shows up, their permits get revoked. It's entirely up to the holder to surrender it. They can be charged if they don't, but they can always say they've already used it, lost it, etc. since there's no efficient way to verify that they have used it. In SC, they don't have a purchase permit system for handguns so Dylann Roof was able to purchase a handgun when he would have been prevented from doing so in NC because the permits are individually reviewed along with their criminal history.

There are a number of charges in addition to felonies (domestic violence, etc) that would cause a revocation.
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North Carolina has permitless open carry as well don't they/you?

The Dylann Roof situation is part of why I brought up our lack of a registration system to Dwazza.

And yes, there are other offenses, but I was speaking generally in reference to felonies and the 2nd Amendment as I'm not certain of how each of the 50 states treats the legality of losing the right to possess weapons.
 
Carolina Red said:
North Carolina has permitless open carry as well don't they/you?

The Dylann Roof situation is part of why I brought up our lack of a registration system to Dwazza.

And yes, there are other offenses, but I was speaking generally in reference to felonies and the 2nd Amendment as I'm not certain of how each of the 50 states treats the legality of losing the right to possess weapons.
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There's permitless open carry, but I've literally seen two people in my entire life in NC open carrying who weren't law enforcement. People who open carry for the sake of it are the worst.
 
Dwazza von Moosesteiger said:
I've noticed that most concealed carry systems are very similar to Canada's.
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Yeah. I would like to see all firearms require licenses regardless of it being concealed or not. There have been attempts by morons in NC recently to get rid of the permit system entirely, but fortunately they've failed.
 
Sir Matt said:
There's permitless open carry, but I've literally seen two people in my entire life in NC open carrying who weren't law enforcement. People who open carry for the sake of it are the worst.
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I've spent a good bit of time in the mountains of NC being from the Upstate of SC.. seen a good bit of it up there. Couldn't remember off the top of my head if it was with or without permit though.There's a petition in South Carolina to have a similar law here.
 
Sir Matt said:
Yeah. I would like to see all firearms require licenses regardless of it being concealed or not. There have been attempts by morons in NC recently to get rid of the permit system entirely, but fortunately they've failed.
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Yeah, I think that would be best for y'all.
 
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/or...ife-tried-talk-him-out-orlando-attack-n592051

The Orlando gunman's wife has told federal agents she tried to talk her husband out of carrying out the attack, NBC News has learned.

Omar Mateen's wife, Noor Zahi Salman, told the FBI she was with him when he bought ammunition and a holster, several officials familiar with the case said. She told the FBI that she once drove him to the gay nightclub, Pulse, because he wanted to scope it out.
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Too little, too late, Noor.
 
Jippy said:
Doubt it. She wasn't an accessory full stop. May get her on some lesser charge if they pursue it.
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bull shit - she said feck all to the cops , drove him to the club on a scouting mission - didn't pull the trigger but didn't stop a mass murderer = accessory full stop! not life sentence but needs to be put on trial.
 
If she 'tried to talk him out of it' then she very clearly knew what he was planning and should have reported him.
 
She drove him there to scope it out and knew he was going to do it but said nothing? Accessory before the act if it exists in Florida or she'd be charged with 49 counts of murder, plus whatever else.
 
mu77 said:
bull shit - she said feck all to the cops , drove him to the club on a scouting mission - didn't pull the trigger but didn't stop a mass murderer = accessory full stop! not life sentence but needs to be put on trial.
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Silva said:
Driving someone to scope the venue of a mass murder (with full knowledge of intent) seems like accessory to me.
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Did she really think or know he would follow through on it? I don't know. It's not like she drove him to the actual shooting. People are hanging are already, but how many wives would really warn police that their husband may or may not carry out an atrocity? Not defending her, but to think that a spouse would immediately ring police if the police if their other half talked about doing something stupid. I'm sure many don't believe they will actually go through with it- he didn't have any history of violence, from what I understand.
 
Jippy said:
Doubt it. She wasn't an accessory full stop. May get her on some lesser charge if they pursue it.
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Surely driving him to knowingly scout out a venue for mass killings makes her an accessory. If she helped him in his plans and then failed to attempt to inform the authorities of his intended crime then she was working with him. She might have played only a small part but she was a part of those plans nevertheless.
 
Jippy said:
Did she really think or know he would follow through on it? I don't know. It's not like she drove him to the actual shooting. People are hanging are already, but how many wives would really warn police that their husband may or may not carry out an atrocity? Not defending her, but to think that a spouse would immediately ring police if the police if their other half talked about doing something stupid. I'm sure many don't believe they will actually go through with it- he didn't have any history of violence, from what I understand.
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His ex-wife said that he beat her.
 
Red Defence said:
Surely driving him to knowingly scout out a venue for mass killings makes her an accessory. If she helped him in his plans and then failed to attempt to inform the authorities of his intended crime then she was working with him. She might have played only a small part but she was a part of those plans nevertheless.
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Indeed. Knowingly as well. It's not like she was duped or something. She wasn't trying to talk him out of doing just anything. She knew full well his intentions.
 
Jippy said:
Did she really think or know he would follow through on it? I don't know. It's not like she drove him to the actual shooting. People are hanging are already, but how many wives would really warn police that their husband may or may not carry out an atrocity? Not defending her, but to think that a spouse would immediately ring police if the police if their other half talked about doing something stupid. I'm sure many don't believe they will actually go through with it- he didn't have any history of violence, from what I understand.
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There's a bit about him.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...erything-we-know-so-far-about-orlando-gunman/
 
Red Defence said:
Surely driving him to knowingly scout out a venue for mass killings makes her an accessory. If she helped him in his plans and then failed to attempt to inform the authorities of his intended crime then she was working with him. She might have played only a small part but she was a part of those plans nevertheless.
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It obviously doesn't sound great, no. Life sentence seems harsh. Surely he could've drove there himself, but I clearly know less about the latest updates than others, so should probably bail out on this debate tbh.
 
Jippy said:
Did she really think or know he would follow through on it? I don't know. It's not like she drove him to the actual shooting. People are hanging are already, but how many wives would really warn police that their husband may or may not carry out an atrocity? Not defending her, but to think that a spouse would immediately ring police if the police if their other half talked about doing something stupid. I'm sure many don't believe they will actually go through with it- he didn't have any history of violence, from what I understand.
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what she did is the actual definition of accessory mate. look it up. she's guilty by her own words. now the death sentence never , jail , yes no doubt about it. doesn't matter how many wives , boyfriends , sisters would warn the coppers about a crime it is their civic duty to do so. by doing feck all she endangered the lives of others. the end.
 
mu77 said:
what she did is the actual definition of accessory mate. look it up. she's guilty by her own words. now the death sentence never , jail , yes no doubt about it. doesn't matter how many wives , boyfriends , sisters would warn the coppers about a crime it is their civic duty to do so. by doing feck all she endangered the lives of others. the end.
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I accept that, but equally, it is tough when a spouse is involved. Emotional ties, rightly or wrongly, will override legal obligations in most cases. It must take immense courage and sacrifice for a mother to grass up a son for a grave offence, for example. We can all only pretend to understand how difficult that must be.
 
Eyepopper said:
We've moved on the 'burn the witch' then... cool.
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Surely you can understand why people are up in arms about this. The woman knew and did nothing to stop it. That is by definition, accessory to the crime.

Definition from FindLaw.com
A criminal charge of aiding and abetting or accessory can usually be brought against anyone who helps in the commission of a crime, though legal distinctions vary by state. A person charged with aiding and abetting or accessory is usually not present when the crime itself is committed, but he or she has knowledge of the crime before or after the fact, and may assist in its commission through advice, actions, or financial support. Depending on the degree of involvement, the offender's participation in the crime may rise to the level of conspiracy.
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Carolina Red said:
Surely you can understand why people are up in arms about this.
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That people love a villain and in the absence of a live one they'll jump to the first conclusion they can find?

The woman knew and did nothing to stop it. That is by definition, accessory to the crime.

Definition from FindLaw.com
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I'd rather put my faith in due process to be honest.
 
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