Game 15: France vs Albania

Feck.... i have Griezman as captain :(
 
Fair enough he didn't do much in the first game. But he's the sort of player who can win you the tournament. You don't drop Pogba for one poor game.

He could be their Zidane for the Euros.

It's not one poor game though. It's the accumulation of several underwhelming performances. Deschamps is ruthless but he isn't knee jerk. Pogba hasn't seriously impressed for France for a long long time.
 
That should never be the only reason to start a player, for any team, ever.

And that's not even the case, Kanté and Diarra are better CMs while Payet, Ben Arfa, Griezmann are better Playmakers/second strikers.
 
It's not one poor game though. It's the accumulation of several underwhelming performances. Deschamps is ruthless but he isn't knee jerk. Pogba hasn't seriously impressed for France for a long long time.
You're French right? Putting your Utd biasness aside, who do you think is your best player right now?
 
Fair enough he didn't do much in the first game. But he's the sort of player who can win you the tournament. You don't drop Pogba for one poor game.

He could be their Zidane for the Euros.

It's not one poor game, it's most of the last 15 games.
 
You're French right? Putting your Utd biasness aside, who do you think is your best player right now?

Payet easily. He's the one who has showed the most consistent excellent performances since the start of 2016, the one with most confidence, talent and technique. Kanté has done as well as he could have and he isn't far behind Payet for me.
 
Very very debatable.

Not for France, it's not debatable at all. Pogba is maybe better with Juventus but we don't care about his performances with them.
 
Fair enough he didn't do much in the first game. But he's the sort of player who can win you the tournament. You don't drop Pogba for one poor game.

He could be their Zidane for the Euros.
Incredible how overrated pogba is... sure he is capable if great moments and has massive potential, but he is not the complete package yet. For france, he flatters to deceive often times, and just has individual moments now and then rather than being a beast all game. Kante is a better midfielder, Payet is better as a 10, so sometimes you just have to do whats best for the team. Same reason Griezmann is dropped. He's not a winger, payet is currently the best performer, so you put him in his main position, and build around him.
 
Payet easily. He's the one who has showed the most consistent excellent performances since the start of 2016, the one with most confidence, talent and technique. Kanté has done as well as he could have and he isn't far behind Payet for me.
Fair enough. Surprised you rate Payet more than Griezmann.
 
Looking forward to seeing Tony start, get a feeling though he'll have an off-game.
 
Not for France, it's not debatable at all. Pogba is maybe better with Juventus but we don't care about his performances with them.
As CDM maybe, but as a CM Pogba is already a better player for me.
 
Fair enough. Surprised you rate Payet more than Griezmann.

Simply because Payet plays a role closer to his club than Griezmann. Griezmann on the wing is a huge waste. He is either a 9 (but Deschamps likes Giroud there) or essentially a 10 (the role Payet sort of plays now). Too many similar players isn't helping.

As CDM maybe, but as a CM Pogba is already a better player for me.

Being the better player is a bit pointless if you cannot actually perform for your team. Ronaldo is the 2nd best player in the world but if somehow Portugal had the possibilities to play better without him, I'm sure they would opt for it.
 
Fair enough. Surprised you rate Payet more than Griezmann.

You still don't get it, it's not about how we rate players, it's about how they performed for France.
 
This is more tactical than about it being pogba dropped. Deschamps needs pogba to play more as a number 6 but we all know he loves acting like a no 10.

The france backline is so dodgy that its better to drop pogba than him wondering off and leaving france wide open.
 
He'll come back against the Swiss. He doesn't need to start every single game.
 
Incredible how overrated pogba is... sure he is capable if great moments and has massive potential, but he is not the complete package yet. For france, he flatters to deceive often times, and just has individual moments now and then rather than being a beast all game. Kante is a better midfielder, Payet is better as a 10, so sometimes you just have to do whats best for the team. Same reason Griezmann is dropped. He's not a winger, payet is currently the best performer, so you put him in his main position, and build around him.
Griezmann has been benched for Coman not Payet. He's had a brilliant season with Atletico as well.

I disagree that Pogba doesn't dominate opposition and only has flashes of brilliance. He's definitely overrated by few but on the flip side he also gets a lot of unwarranted flak.
 
lol dude you're ruthless :lol:

But that's true, it's unfair to not acknowledge the performances of less popular players. Kanté and Diarra outperformed Matuid and Matuidi outperformed Pogba.
 
And fair props to Deschamps, he opted to go for players in form rather than names, especially seeing how he has Griezman out to make way for Payer to play in the Am position. And Kante has been fantastic this season and been good for France(he was also very good in their last friendly game against Scotland) so him ahead of Pogba based on form makes sense.
 
I am all for benching Pogba only for people to stop saying he is the best midfielder ever but that midfield doesn't look promising when they face decent team. No passers there.
 
Fair enough he didn't do much in the first game. But he's the sort of player who can win you the tournament. You don't drop Pogba for one poor game.

He could be their Zidane for the Euros.

So far he's been their Jordan fecking Henderson.

Fair fecks to DD, doesn't give a shit about names but it's the form they are in that decides whether they're in or out.
 
You still don't get it, it's not about how we rate players, it's about how they performed for France.
How about building the French NT around Pogba then, so that he performs how we know can?;)
 
Griezmann has been benched for Coman not Payet. He's had a brilliant season with Atletico as well.

I disagree that Pogba doesn't dominate opposition and only has flashes of brilliance. He's definitely overrated by few but on the flip side he also gets a lot of unwarranted flak.
Well Griezman is more of an AM than a proper winger compared to Coman which is why I can see why Deschamps opted for someone more naturally or better fitted on the wing. And Payet has been tearing up for the national team so he gets picked ahead for the AM position.
 
How about building the French NT around Pogba then, so that he performs how we know can?;)

How about Pogba beats the competition before we do something like that?
 
Well Griezman is more of an AM than a proper winger compared to Coman which is why I can see why Deschamps opted for someone more naturally or better fitted on the wing. And Payet has been tearing up for the national team so he gets picked ahead for the AM position.
He played a lot as a winger when Costa was there. Actually he was brilliant.
 
How about Pogba beats the competition before we do something like that?
He's done with Juve in the CL quite a lot. I've no doubt he can do it for France if shown trust in. Give him a chance at the big stage, he'll win you things.
 
How about building the French NT around Pogba then, so that he performs how we know can?;)
He first has to earn that right to have the team build around him. While Pogba is good(and personally see him already as one of the best midielder in the world, I'm sure most people see it that way anyways) he still hasn't quite delivered the goods for France and right now they have many talents and options at their disposal like Kante that they can easily and simply just opt to switch for a better performer instead of waiting for someone to find form.
 
Has Deschamps been reading Redcafe lately?:)

Couple of days ago I wrote that France probably would do better if they drop Pogba and play Payet there!

The truth is, if the name wasn't Pogba nobody would even notice if he's dropped! It's a cup tournament especially in the knock out stages you need players who're in form, who're fully committed and who'd get stuck in there instead of contributing very little for the majority of the game both defensively and offensively and would rather wait for a moment of brilliance or two.
 
He's done with Juve in the CL quite a lot. I've no doubt he can do it for France if shown trust in. Give him a chance at the big stage, he'll win you things.

He's been given many opportunities, Deschamps rates him highly and benching him is not only tactical but also psychological. He must hope that Pogba will use this as a wake up call. Pogba is trusted but there is only so much trust can achieve. It's not enough
 
Good to see Martial starting for France. That attacking 3 behind striker :drool: