Labour MP Jo Cox shot | RIP Jo Cox

"If people feel that voting doesn’t change anything, then violence is the next step,” Mr. Farage said in an interview with the BBC last month. “I find it difficult to contemplate it happening here, but nothing’s impossible.”

(Source: New York Times)
 
Consider Jo Cox's political actions on behalf of the citizens of nations other than Britain; consider her actions regarding ethnic diversity in her constituency and elsewhere; consider Thomas Mair's known political views; none of these things add up to mental illness being Mair's driving force for the murder. This incident was not like, say, the attack on MP Nigel Jones in 2000, in which it was obvious that mental issues were the prime mover.
And when he was arrested, Mair told the police he was a "political activist".
Mair was arrested at 1.25pm in Risedale Avenue, about a mile from the scene, by two officers who saw a white man wearing a black blood-smeared baseball cap and carrying a black holdall.

They tackled him to the ground, and as he was detained he was heard to say, "I'm a political activist." He told police he had a knife in his pocket.

Searching his trouser pockets, officers instead found a plastic bag containing what appeared to be a large number of bullets.

They also found a single-barrel firearm in the bag, as well as a magazine and a number of rounds. There was also a bloodstained mobile phone, a blood-stained dagger and a black wallet.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...to-traitors-freedom-for-britain-a7088851.html
 
No it's not. It's the act of someone seriously mentally unstable. don't try to make political capital out of it.
Nigel Farage says it was terrorism. What political capital is he trying to make, then?

The effort some are putting into making this about mental health alone makes me feel ill. If Jo Cox was killed by a far-right extremist because of her views, it is an insult to her memory to attempt to blame something else. Mental health may play a part, we don't know yet because there's little evidence, so don't try and make out like it's an open and shut case purely because you're concerned it'll have an effect in the referendum.
 
He wasn't mentally well but neither was the bloke that murdered 50 people in Florida. Many such things can have a number of causes including mental illness, religious or political fanaticism and atmospheres of hatred created by a lack of civilised political debate. You can't negate the influence of one cause by simply stating another. Life is more complicated and nuanced than that.
 
Nigel Farage says it was terrorism. What political capital is he trying to make, then?

Nigel Farage is a hate merchant and every single thing he ever says it focused through a lens of hate and bigotry.
 
The effort some are putting into making this about mental health alone makes me feel ill. If Jo Cox was killed by a far-right extremist because of her views, it is an insult to her memory to attempt to blame something else. Mental health may play a part, we don't know yet because there's little evidence, so don't try and make out like it's an open and shut case purely because you're concerned it'll have an effect in the referendum.

Agreed.
 
It's a murder motivated by an ideology. It's terrorism plain and simple.

The only reason it's not being called that in every media outlet is because he's white and some of those media outlets share his ideology and are rather uncomfortable over it.
If that were the case anyone who thinks we should leave the EU could have committed the murder, which is clearly nonsense. No sane person could have done that.
 
If that were the case anyone who thinks we should leave the EU could have committed the murder, which is clearly nonsense. No sane person could have done that.

And if they had it would be terrorism.

Not really sure what point you're trying to counter with that.
 
If that were the case anyone who thinks we should leave the EU could have committed the murder, which is clearly nonsense. No sane person could have done that.
If any other person had done it because of their political beliefs then yes it'd still be a terrorist assassination.

By your logic there can never be terrorist killings, because anyone who kills is mentally ill.

In short, you're talking complete nonsense.
 
Nigel Farage says it was terrorism. What political capital is he trying to make, then?

The effort some are putting into making this about mental health alone makes me feel ill. If Jo Cox was killed by a far-right extremist because of her views, it is an insult to her memory to attempt to blame something else. Mental health may play a part, we don't know yet because there's little evidence, so don't try and make out like it's an open and shut case purely because you're concerned it'll have an effect in the referendum.
Of course it will have an effect. The Remain camp is all over it already, linking it to Farage's poster and the immigration question in general.

As usual, anyone who even mentions the word "immigration" is screamed down as a Right Wing nutter.
 
If any other person had done it because of their political beliefs then yes it'd still be a terrorist assassination.

By your logic there can never be terrorist killings, because anyone who kills is mentally ill.

In short, you're talking complete nonsense.
So what terrorist organisation is he part of? Did some organisation radicalise him?

Or maybe he is just a mentally unstable individual. As yet we don't know, but Terrorism is the "in" word so it must be that.
 
Do find it very suspicious that a quiet loner decided to murder a mother of two young kids a week before the referendum, while slinging out the phrases he has. If he targeted her, it means he researched her. If he researched her, it means he believed whatever motive he held to be more important than depriving two kids of their mother, adding fuel to the Brexiters = far right nutjobs angle and, ultimately, making a remain vote more likely. It's incredible that someone could put so much planning into a crime that would only damage their cause(s).

I think he's been heavily manipulated. Or that a switch was flipped at some point and he became genuinely deranged, not just damaged and vulnerable.

/tinfoil hat.
 
So what terrorist organisation is he part of? Did some organisation radicalise him?

Or maybe he is just a mentally unstable individual. As yet we don't know, but Terrorism is the "in" word so it must be that.
Do you even know what terrorism is?

What killings do you recognise as such?
 
Of course it will have an effect. The Remain camp is all over it already, linking it to Farage's poster and the immigration question in general.

As usual, anyone who even mentions the word "immigration" is screamed down as a Right Wing nutter.

Not sure the best thread to make that argument is one in which a staunch supporter of immigration and refugees was literally shot to death by a right wing nutter because of her political viewpoints.

I also note that you've now posted in this thread about five times and every single one is to deny that this has anything to do with the mans outlooks, blaming his mental health for his actions, and criticising others for 'politicising' the event because you're worried. I'd strongly suggest that your words show they you do not care about the fact that an MP was literally shot to death on the fecking street because of her views and are instead only worried about the impact that may have on the referendum campaign. You're at least as guilty of 'politicising' the event as anyone here, probably more so actually, because at least the rest of the people 'politicising' the death (again, how you can de-politicise the assassination of an MP I don't know) are at the very least not hypocritical enough to tell others they can't do it either.
 
If that were the case anyone who thinks we should leave the EU could have committed the murder, which is clearly nonsense. No sane person could have done that.

No sane person would hijack a plane and fly into a skyscraper, but alas, it happened and that person was a terrorist

No sane person would enter a crowded concert venue and open fire on the people inside, but alas, it happened and that person was a terrorist

No sane person would set off a bomb during a marathon, but alas, it happened and that person was a terrorist.

No sane person would kill and behead a man in broad daylight, but alas, it happened and that person was a terrorist.

If anything, Mair's attack has far clearer links to an ideology than some of the above, but his ideology is not too dissimilar to that of many throughout this country.

People capable of such acts clearly have some sort of mental issue, but that doesn't mean that they aren't capable of rationally planning and carrying out an attack. You seem completely unwilling to accept that this wasn't just a random act of violence, but a premeditated attack carried out in the name of a specific political agenda.

Mair may have a capacity for violence that is absent amongst those who share his political beliefs, but these were not beliefs he formed on his own. You can only stoke a fire for so long before it ignites.
 
Do you even know what terrorism is?

What killings do you recognise as such?
I think that question would be better addressed to the CPS. He's been charged with murder, nothing so far about any offences specific to terrorism. They could of course come later, but as things stand it's Murder under Common Law and nothing else.
 
I think that question would be better addressed to the CPS. He's been charged with murder, nothing so far about any offences specific to terrorism. They could of course come later, but as things stand it's Murder under Common Law and nothing else.

Then how come every protocol of terrorism investigation is being followed to a tee?
 
Sorry but am I the only one who thinks her family really are emotionless and hardly showing any signs of grief in this video? Surely you wouldn't have even slept for the 2 days since and would be utterly distraught.

 
Sorry but am I the only one who thinks her family really are emotionless and hardly showing any signs of grief in this video? Surely you wouldn't have even slept for the 2 days since and would be utterly distraught.


False flag? Seriously, feck off.
 
Jesus christ BNB
 
Am I obliged to answer every post in detail? I really don't have the time to do that.
All I'm doing is asking for your opinion. Not even asking for detail, just a few words would do. Would you class Rigby murder as terrorism or excuse it like you're doing with this case? Simple.
 
False flag? Seriously, feck off.

I didn't actually mean to post that video with 'Flase flag' in the title, it was the first one when I tried to the family speech on youtube. I changed it to the original video now. I'm not saying its a false flag i'm saying that look cold and emotionless.
 
Sorry but am I the only one who thinks her family really are emotionless and hardly showing any signs of grief in this video? Surely you wouldn't have even slept for the 2 days since and would be utterly distraught.


You are sick in the head if you genuinely believe this is some sort of political manipulation or "false flag" as you tinfoil hatters love to call events. I'd suggest you leave the thread alone if all you have to offer are your half baked conspiracy theories and seriously suggest you seek psychiatric help.
 
This is a good article from The Independent - "Why are we so reluctant to label white attackers as terrorists?" From the article:
We hold a special status for the term “terrorist”: it appears it no longer just describes those who commit acts of terror, but those who we feel belong to a different background or culture; a different breed. These terrorists are, ultimately, opposed to “our way of life” and our so-called British values. No wonder an attacker who reportedly shouted “Britain first” appears to have escaped the label.

But by not calling the attack on Jo Cox an act of terrorism, we are subtly restricting who and what has the ability to terrify us. We shouldn't go easy on any form of terrorism, regardless of ethnic background or religious affiliation. All crimes of this nature must be treated with the same level of seriousness, and described in the same way.
Full article: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...l-white-attackers-as-terrorists-a7088991.html
 
You are sick in the head if you genuinely believe this is some sort of political manipulation or "false flag" as you tinfoil hatters love to call events. I'd suggest you leave the thread alone if all you have to offer are your half baked conspiracy theories and seriously suggest you seek psychiatric help.

I'm just asking you to look at their emotions. I never said it was a false flag. fk me.
 
I didn't actually mean to post that video with 'Flase flag' in the title, it was the first one when I tried to find it on youtube. I changed it to the original video now. I'm not saying its a false flag i'm saying that look cold and emotionless.
Grief affects people differently, not to mention shock.

You insane tinfoil hattery is beyond tiresome.
 
I didn't actually mean to post that video with 'Flase flag' in the title, it was the first one when I tried to find it on youtube. I changed it to the original video now. I'm not saying its a false flag i'm saying that look cold and emotionless.
Everyone grieves in different ways, mate; hell, some people even laugh - through nervousness - at funerals.

When it comes to things considered as conspiracy theories, it's always best to stick with events you're pretty certain about (for me personally, it's JFK's assassination/cover-up), not just pick something that took your fancy momentarily.
 
Sorry but am I the only one who thinks her family really are emotionless and hardly showing any signs of grief in this video? Surely you wouldn't have even slept for the 2 days since and would be utterly distraught.



Feckin hell. Seriously. Who are you to say how someone should react in grief? Get a life.