Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Adisa said:
Caroline Flint made a very good point. There could very well be a GE next year. Under the current leadership, Labour would be heading for a disaster.
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Caroline Flint has been trying to undermine the man since Day 0, she's just being opportunistic at the moment.

She's actually saying that she thinks under half of Labour voters voted remain, which is very, very unlikely considering the final margin of victory for leave. The Yougov estimate of 69% tallies quite well with the margin.

It's also a bit rich coming from her when her own constituency voted overwhelmingly for Leave. She can't be very good herself, if we're going by her own standards.

To borrow from a Redditor:

"Blaming all of our problems on Corbyn and getting rid of him with no idea about what to do next would be like blaming all of our problems on the EU and getting out with no plan on what to do next - a very bad idea."
 
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Shamwow said:
Caroline Flint has been trying to undermine the man since Day 0, she's just being opportunistic at the moment.

She's actually saying that she thinks under half of Labour voters voted remain, which is very, very unlikely considering the final margin of victory for leave. The Yougov estimate of 69% tallies quite well with the margin.

It's also a bit rich coming from her when her own constituency voted overwhelmingly for Leave. She can't be very good herself, if we're going by her own standards.

To borrow from a Redditor:

"Blaming all of our problems on Corbyn and getting rid of him with no idea about what to do next would be like blaming all of our problems on the EU and getting out with no plan on what to do next - a very bad idea."
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Don't have time for her. But her point still stands. An election could come as soon as next year. Labour are far from ready.
 
Adisa said:
Don't have time for her. But her point still stands. An election could come as soon as next year. Labour are far from ready.
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They are far from ready but spineless arseholes like her have more than their fair share of the blame to take and wouldn't ever dream of doing so.
 
Adisa said:
I think he should wait till Labour have a real shot at the GE.
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I know Labour are in bad shape, but the Tories seem like they're self imploding too. I don't think all these things could happen, but if NI and Scotland beome independent for independence and Boris becomes the PM, I'm not sure a Conservative government for a sustained period of time is a certainty.
 
Waldner said:
To be honest the only real Labour MP I've liked the sound of in this referendum is Chuka Umunna.

Are the odds of him being a labour candidate anytime soon slim? I don't know enough about GE stuff to know really...
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Chuka came across very well last night but if he stands then the fact he lasted about two days during the last leadership election will probably result in the nasty Tory leadership slaughtering him.
 
Corbyn is done, if not tomorrow then soon. The main reason for that is that he is basically a lib-dem in labour clothing. His stances on many issues from environment, to nuclear weapons or human rights are admirable, i personally support many of them. But that's not something that worries typical labour voter, especially in the last couple of years. And no matter how hard Corbyn tries to go from this "Kumbayah" image it simply does not work for him. He basically lost the core of the voters in England to UKIP and even Tories, who successfully took pages out of UKIPs playbook without any racist and etc fallout.
It's a sad situation, but when Corbyn talks about Tridents most of people disillusioned with austerity and recent UK recovery, so basically an opposition voters, are like WTF, i don't get it all, what's a Trident anyway?
The only thing that could have saved him actually if he would have basically abandon most of his principles and convictions and became the leader Labour needed, not the one he actually is and always was. But he thought it to be his chance to finally explain and convey his sometimes radical or unusual but in a way smart and creative ideas to general public, to make them believe in this fairer, peaceful, more productive society he always envisioned. But that's always was an uphill battle, especially in this climate. So all he did is actually alienate many of traditional Labour support, that went to parties with much more simple and down-to-earth agendas like UKIP or SNP. Their messages are like one sentence and everybody gets them.
Corbyn was in a way brave, honest and faithful (to his principles) but ultimately stupid.
 
Drifter said:
Jeremy Corbyn: ‘I want to be Prime Minister’

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"I haven't heard the phrase 'I want to be Prime Minister,'" he says whilst putting his finger to his ear like a mother waiting for a child to make a promise.

What an absolute knob. Whatever you think of Corbyn, you don't conduct yourself like that when questioning the leader of a major political party.
 
Going to make a speech. On BBC news. That young mayor of Goole is a big chap.
 
Jeremy says all the right things but what chance would he have in a GE once the press tell voters what to think?
 
The real tragedy here is if Labour MP's hadn't spent the last year actively destroying their party Corbyn would be in a great position to win an election right now. Instead we get Hilary Benn twisting the knife deeper into the lefts back.
 
Hilary Benn's a massive cnut.

He'll get destroyed by the Labour membership if he actually tries to stand.

The response to him is either 'Who is that woman?' or 'That prick who wanted to bomb the shit out of Syria'.
 
Corbyn should have resigned at the same time as Cameron. Labour MPs are right to try and oust him. He's incompetent and a real drag on the party at the exact time we need a professional, modern leadership to front up complex trade negotiations.
 
:lol: Man, politicians are bastards.
Corbyn should go though. Labour are a mess and Corbyn will never be PM.
 
Half of Labour needs to defect to the relatively reasonable wing of the Conservatives, where some would say they should have been all along. Corbyn types stay put. Right wing of Conservatives merge with UKIP. Most accepted Party model for FPTP voting says that has to then coalesce back into 2 distinct Groups. This is a mess.

Mainly caused, imo by the Conservatives NOT (completely) splitting like that around the time of the John Major/Maastricht revolting.
 
Good old Labour sticking the knife in its own back at a time they could lead.

I think a new leader would be the best route now but I kind of hope Corbyn bunkers down and fecks trying to make peace. He should run the party he wants rather than compromise
 
Smores said:
Good old Labour sticking the knife in its own back at a time they could lead.

I think a new leader would be the best route now but I kind of hope Corbyn bunkers down and fecks trying to make peace. He should run the party he wants rather than compromise
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And see what happens. Seems Lab MPs & the Party membership might not be 'on the same page', using same hymn sheet etc
 
montpelier said:
Half of Labour needs to defect to the relatively reasonable wing of the Conservatives, where some would say they should have been all along. Corbyn types stay put. Right wing of Conservatives merge with UKIP. Most accepted Party model for FPTP voting says that has to then coalesce back into 2 distinct Groups. This is a mess.

Mainly caused, imo by the Conservatives NOT (completely) splitting like that around the time of the John Major/Maastricht revolting.
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Saw someone on another forum make a joke that the PLP reasoning to try and get rid Corbyn now is because a certain center right politician recently became available(Well since Friday morning anyway).
 
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Sweet Square said:
Saw someone on another forum make the joke that the PLP reasoning to try and get rid Corbyn now is because a certain center right politician recently became available(Well since Friday morning anyway).
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Harsh but fair & also quite :lol:.
 
I quite like Corbyn, personally, but he reminds me a bit of Ned Stark in that he just doesnt seem able to 'play the game' properly (not that I personally would consider that a requirement to be PM, but clearly a lot of folk do).

Honestly it is feeling more and more like a major political shakeup could be on the way - the Lib Dems basically destroyed whatever credibility they had a few years back, the Tories are divided (hell, the entire referendum was just a way of Cameron to appease the far right elements), and Labour are in a similar position.

I have never been a fan of left and right politics in general, and the UK political system has been in dire need of reform for ages - I had hoped that the Scottish referendum would trigger some proper reform, but that was all empty promises (shock). There is the issue of having no English devolved parliament, the issue of (un)representative democracy, the issue of the political divide between England and Scotland, not even mentioning the issue of the completely unelected House of Lords.

Broadly speaking, I will be quite happy to see Labour and the Tories both self destructing if it means proper, wholesale political reform across the UK. Just a shame it took a disastrous Brexit referendum to trigger it.
 
sun_tzu said:
We could be on the cusp of a big change
Or we could end up with Corbyn and Johnson basically replaying 1970's left vs right old politics
Sadly I suspect the latter is more likely
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It was comical yesterday when Corbyn comes out with 'Labour needs to review its immigration policy'.

I mean, you couldn't make it up.
 
Hilary Benn interview BBC

Q: Do you have a preferred alternative leader?

No, says Benn. He says this is not about pushing an alternative
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Well that's rather big problem you've got there Hilary.
 
Sweet Square said:
Hilary Benn interview BBC



Well that's rather big problem you've got there Hilary.
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Yup they're all coming out saying they won't stand and they don't know who should replace him. Well that's great isn't it, having they just been bemoaning change without a plan.
 
They are refusing to cont st cause they can't win. But they still have a point. Corbyn is a shite leader.
 
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