Oh, I'm not imagining Labour gaining anything. I'd just rather May than Boris (Gove I refuse to contemplate, he's satanic).
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Yeah, May would be my bet too. Though it's an increasingly shallow pool that they're choosing from.
post thatcher
Major - the grey man basically a nobody who is probably going to be remembered for screwing Edwina Curry
Hague - terrible
IDS - made Hague look good
Howard - there is something about the night etc - an unmitigated disaster
Cameron - hug a hoodie and compasionate conservatism was probably the right call
But actually they are pretty bad and tended to elect people the public didn't like until they were doing so bad they elected what was a pretty centrist candidate by their standards in Cameron.
That kind of sums up a classic right wing mentality to me. He's not entirely wrong. Some families are worse off because of their own decisions (drugs, gambling, impulsive buying). However plenty are poor because that's how the world works and life has an element of luck about it.
Right wingers seem to totally disregard the element of luck (upbringing, where you live, pivotal moments in your life) and how the capitalist system means there will always be those lesser off (who need our support through taxes/charities).
Tories aren't evil. They genuinely think they're helping but that's little consolation when they're so ignorant of the real world.
And yes, the left can be just as bad on the opposite side for sure.
Deeper than Labour's though.
A very insightful critique there of post Thatcher Tory leaders.
When you seem to be holding the option of May as a beacon of hope something has gone terribly wrong.
It's been scandal after scandal with her and she's known as a terribly cruel and unwarm person. She'll rally the right behind her deportations of terror suspects though.
Agreed. Boris will be the fall guy. Rightly in terms of karma but if you are on the left you want Boris in really.
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic
Agreed. It is a difficult job with risks and upsides at every turn both for all the countries concerned as well as the politicians.
I wonder what people who really wanted to remain feel is the most important facets of the EU which they hope the politicians will negotiate to keep.
true... some of may's stances on the Human Rights Act and Migration are practically UKIP
A summary that includes a description of Major solely as a grey man best remembered for screwing Currie isn't to be taken seriously
I remember that he liked peas. Or was that Spitting Image?
I more mean that I think Boris is beatable in a general election.
Depends - I doubt Corbyn could beat an egg let alone either of those two
Of course I work on the assumption that Corbyn is not leading the Labour party.
Either way I think the Tories will lose a decent number of voters to UKIP as will Labour, especially under Corbyn. It is an opportunity for the right Labour leader.
I also predict Farage will be elected as an MP as well. I think there are a number of seats he could win now with his profile.
True but it'll be some of the top civil servants that will be involved in a lot of the negotiating - people who are skilled at this type of thing. They won't be adopting the Farage technique for sure!
For all our differences with the EU, there's a lot at stake for both sides here and diplomacy will be shown on both sides going forward.
If anything, he deserves extra kudos for knocking the back out of Edwina. The dark horse
I think Cameron and Osborne, arrogant as they undoubtedly are, wanted to let Boris suffer as they knew he had no idea what he was doing. It's genuinely 50% a fight between two public schoolboys who didn't get on as kids and still think they are kids. There'll be a film about it mark my words. And fecking Gove is gonna be next prime minister, I feel so fecking hopeless right now.
You're probably not far off there mate. Although I voted to leave I've previously stated that I think it never had to get so far, so quick in the form of a simple yes/no referendum and this seems to have been some internal Tory bickering that has escalated way beyond what it should've done. What should've happened IMO is that it might've been better to take smaller steps towards a referendum - perhaps in the form of trying to get some concessions from the EU and putting that to a public vote.
If I had to just pick one single issue it would be freedom of movement.
What about people like me a British citizen denied a vote because I have lived outside of the UK for over 15 years considering that this will more than likely affect me I should have been allowed a vote regardless of how long I have live abroad.
Went back a few pages but no-one here seems to have pulled up that cnut Farage for his pathetic victory speech?
It was - but he had more about him than he's given credit for. For instance, he was appointed special guardian to Princes William and Harry after Diana died, with responsibility for legal matters - can't see the Queen agreeing to that if she felt he was a lightweight. She's seen plenty of PMs come and go in her time.
It was addressed and he got slated for it. It was pathetic alright but so was booing him when he entered the chamber - both sides were admonished and told to behave. Don't worry about Farage going forward - he won't be anywhere near any future negotiations with the EU.
Another lie then
Agreed. Terrible politicians as well as terrible governors. Which is why I feel your leave vote was reckless. It condemns us to "bullshit politics Plus".
Time will tell on that. No denying that UK politics is in turmoil at the moment though but forgetting Brexit for the moment, there's an opportunity here for the 2 main parties to get their shit together. We might get something like a credible opposition to the Tories and even the Lib Dems could come in from the cold. If the likes of Boris, Gove, et al weren't up to the job of overseeing our exit from the EU then it's probably for the best that they're not standing.
You have to laugh really.
Sounds like the Underwoods' tactic of denying they want to be President/Vice President whilst they stab everyone in the back.
It is staggering hypocrisy.
You have to laugh really.
Wow, where's that from?
You have to laugh really.
It doesn't show the UK in a good light on top of everything. Surely they wouldn't print something like that. Would have gone more towards Mirror/Guardian/Independent.Probably The Sun or The Daily Mail
Yeah, it probably is - I just said it as it's the kind of thing you'd expect from the Sun/Mail readership, not that all Sun/Mail readers are hypocrites of course.
I know what you are getting about regarding the results.
"Boris, what is this thing in my hand?"
"I don't know but apparently the plebs bathe their ferrets in it. Keep smiling."