Pro BrExit voters - how do you feel now?

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Am genuinely interested

- why you voted leave
- if you still think you made the right decision and why
- has the past week been as expected
- how you expect next few weeks and months to play out.

(Maybe the thread will flop as leave voters don't want to let their identity known as is their right)

To all remain voters, please let's not turn this thread into one of judgement or recriminations!
 
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All the above were happy to let the Caf know how they voted in the Referendum thread.
 
My conversations with leavers currently entail them saying it's all manufactured doom and gloom, and as soon as people 'try' to be happy we'll be better off.

Pexbo said:
Names.
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Haha, maintaining a hit list.
 
Pexbo said:
All the above were happy to let the Caf know how they voted in the Referendum thread.
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Wrong. You need to read the question once again.
 
I didn't vote in the actual election because I live in the US and felt the outcome wouldn't impact me sufficiently to warrant my vote canceling someone who voted the other way, and because I didn't read up enough. I based my off the cuff redcafe vote on what I had heard from nearly everyone I talked to when I go home. Constant complaints from all walks of life about the EU every single visit for years and years. I am very interested to hear what "true" leavers think now.
 
Mod suggestion.
thisisareference
Can we have some way to differentiate Leavers from the rest of us? Maybe by putting some brackets around their name?

(((Stanley Road)))
 
Pexbo said:
All the above were happy to let the Caf know how they voted in the Referendum thread.
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I ain't British, just took the piss with the little Englander mentality that was present in that thread.

I also thought that it is better if UK votes to leave, cause the next time it wants to be part of EU, it will be really in EU, not with one leg out of it and always moaning. For UK, I still think that it was a terrible decision but that debate has been done to death.
 
Samid said:
Wrong. You need to read the question once again.
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Ok, those posters were of the opinion the UK should leave the EU. I think it's safe to assume the majority of them voted according to this opinion.
 
Xeno said:
My conversations with leavers currently entail them saying it's all manufactured doom and gloom, and as soon as people 'try' to be happy we'll be better off.
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Thats largely correct, thats how markets work, but the fact its happened without anything actually happening yet should be terrifying to people.
 
Probably be a lot of confirmation bias I should imagine.

Had one guy I know saying the pound crash was inevitable after the fact but before it he was saying that was all scaremongering.

He also shared something with some eccentric Italian economics bloke saying brexit was a smart move but he'd be the first to say what would some Italian know if it was the other way round.
 
Pexbo said:
Ok, those posters were of the opinion the UK should leave the EU. I think it's safe to assume the majority of them voted according to this opinion.
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Bastards didn't let me vote, so I voted 150,000 times in that petition for second referendum.
 
It's odd how Remainers are determined to paint post-referendum events as a series of catastrophes, when so far nothing much has happened at all. The stock market has weathered the storm comfortably, and the most notable economic development has been the drop in the pound, which most experts regarded as overpriced anyway, and whose fall is likely to prove good for the economy. The forecast meltdown has not occurred, and the markets have bet heavily against it happening at all.

We'll have to await events long-term, but, as of now, 'I told you so' sentiment from the Remain camp is entirely empty.
 
Will Absolute said:
It's odd how Remainers are determined to paint post-referendum events as a series of catastrophes, when so far nothing much has happened at all. The stock market has weathered the storm comfortably, and the most notable economic development has been the drop in the pound, which most experts regarded as overpriced anyway, and whose fall is likely to prove good for the economy. The forecast meltdown has not occurred, and the markets have bet heavily against it happening at all.

We'll have to await events long-term, but, as of now, 'I told you so' sentiment from the Remain camp is entirely empty.
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Interesting decision for Carney if sterling weakness causes inflation to rise though.
 
Will Absolute said:
It's odd how Remainers are determined to paint post-referendum events as a series of catastrophes, when so far nothing much has happened at all. The stock market has weathered the storm comfortably, and the most notable economic development has been the drop in the pound, which most experts regarded as overpriced anyway, and whose fall is likely to prove good for the economy. The forecast meltdown has not occurred, and the markets have bet heavily against it happening at all.

We'll have to await events long-term, but, as of now, 'I told you so' sentiment from the Remain camp is entirely empty.
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True. I think there is an obvious campaign in that direction for obvious reasons. The remain camp is hoping to block triggering article 50 by throwing doubt into the result or at least pave the way for a second referendum in a few months. And for some I'm starting to think it's becoming a bit personal, that they're now ready to feck the UK intentionally just to prove they were right.

I agree nothing big really happened so far, and even though that doesn't mean nothing will happen, one side is clearly over-exaggerating everything happening. Pound 1.34=>1.32 'Pound dropping like a stone!' 1.32=>1.34 'meh, wouldn't read much into it'.

The remain camp do have some legitimate points (as do the leave camp to be fair), but their reactions to the results don't really fit with the picture they are trying to paint about themselves "intelligent, insightful, objective, tolerant and unselfish" (obviously unlike those 17 million pr*cks).
 
Xeno said:
My conversations with leavers currently entail them saying it's all manufactured doom and gloom, and as soon as people 'try' to be happy we'll be better off.
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Yeah this :lol:

We could have had a nuclear shower the morning after the vote and they'd still say "you'll barely even notice, day to day"

Will Absolute said:
the most notable economic development has been the drop in the pound, which most experts regarded as overpriced anyway, and whose fall is likely to prove good for the economy.
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Try telling that to people who are already struggling with the weekly shop.
 
Danny1982 said:
True. I think there is an obvious campaign in that direction for obvious reasons. The remain camp is hoping to block triggering article 50 by throwing doubt into the result or at least pave the way for a second referendum in a few months. And for some I'm starting to think it's becoming a bit personal, that they're now ready to feck the UK intentionally just to prove they were right.

I agree nothing big really happened so far, and even though that doesn't mean nothing will happen, one side is clearly over-exaggerating everything happening. Pound 1.34=>1.32 'Pound dropping like a stone!' 1.32=>1.34 'meh, wouldn't read much into it'.

The remain camp do have some legitimate points (as do the leave camp to be fair), but their reactions to the results don't really fit with the picture they are trying to paint about themselves "intelligent, insightful, objective, tolerant and unselfish" (obviously unlike those 17 million pr*cks).
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I assume you mean 1.49 -> 1.32?
 
Danny1982 said:
I agree nothing big really happened so far, and even though that doesn't mean nothing will happen, one side is clearly over-exaggerating everything happening. Pound 1.34=>1.32 'Pound dropping like a stone!' 1.32=>1.34 'meh, wouldn't read much into it'.
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That's a bit selective isn't it? Kind of ignores the biggest drop in 31 years against the dollar..

Edit: and oh yeah, what Pexbo says. Brexit has ruined my summer plans because I'm earning relatively way less than last year. It's a ten pence drop.
 
Jippy said:
Interesting decision for Carney if sterling weakness causes inflation to rise though.
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There was a paragraph in the evening ADVFN bulletin earlier saying:
Late in the session, Bank of England governor Mark Carney said the central bank is likely to slash interest rates over coming months to cushion the blow from Brexit.
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I didn't actually vote @Pexbo was just the way I was thinking at the time of that poll. I've been out of the country for a while but I don't think I would have voted anyway purely because of the lack of credible leadership from the leave side and a lack of a proper plan.

The reason I was leaning towards leave was purely down to having a negative view of the EU long term. I still think with strong leadership we would be fine outside of it and have less to worry about in terms of failing banks and the levels of unemployment that have been going on for far too long now. That's not to say I'm totally negative on the EU or that I think the UK is wonderful. Just that I think the negative outlook of the EU could be a drag on us or possibly much worse one day.

I actually felt short term things would be worse than they have been. I was expecting the stock markets to hit the lows of January. That's what kept me on the fence and I didn't even consider the political issues which have followed. The drop in the pound was to be expected. I still would be more concerned about Europe than the UK however.
 
So basically we have a twin of the fallout thread, since I am yet to read how an actual Leave voter feels now.
 
Danny1982 said:
True. I think there is an obvious campaign in that direction for obvious reasons. The remain camp is hoping to block triggering article 50 by throwing doubt into the result or at least pave the way for a second referendum in a few months. And for some I'm starting to think it's becoming a bit personal, that they're now ready to feck the UK intentionally just to prove they were right.

I agree nothing big really happened so far, and even though that doesn't mean nothing will happen, one side is clearly over-exaggerating everything happening. Pound 1.34=>1.32 'Pound dropping like a stone!' 1.32=>1.34 'meh, wouldn't read much into it'.

The remain camp do have some legitimate points (as do the leave camp to be fair), but their reactions to the results don't really fit with the picture they are trying to paint about themselves "intelligent, insightful, objective, tolerant and unselfish" (obviously unlike those 17 million pr*cks).
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You're fairly well wrong on the economics front but, ignoring that for now, how do you feel about giving carte blanche to racist dickheads and creating national division on a grand scale? All the while basically leaderless and with no opposition and Theresa May threatening to kick all the EU immigrants out if she doesn't get what she wants. Oh and Michael Gove. And Murdoch. And Farage.
 
Sied said:
There was a paragraph in the evening ADVFN bulletin earlier saying:
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Yeah, that's what sparked the market iptick/sterling slump. Still a definite split between those more worried about inflation or deflation.
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Wasn't an incoming 0% rate announced Friday morning anyway?
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He announced £250bn of extra stimulus if needed. An additional multi-currency reserve fund for banks basically.
 
Pexbo said:
I assume you mean 1.49 -> 1.32?
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I'm talking about the reactions in the market thread. The thread was started when it was already around 1.35. Every cent it goes down => "falling like a stone reaction", but when it goes up 2-3 cents, you see a very different reaction. Yes there has been a mild drop in economic indicators (the pound value is not everything by the way), mainly due to the uncertainty and anxiety in the market right now, but "nuclear shower"?! Now it does actually sound more like "score-mongering" than objective assessment to the facts we have at hand right now.

What will happen in a year? Don't know. What will happen in 10 years? Don't know. Probably Britain's economy will take a hit for a couple of years (depending on the deal they will get from the EU) but I also find it difficult to believe that it won't be able to recover (if everybody really worked in that direction) after that. Britain is just too big economically. However my comment has nothing to do with the predictions, I'm talking about some of the reactions to what actually happened so far.
 
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Err, yes.

The FT100 is now slightly higher than it was on thursday, before the unexpected referendum result.
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Doesn'paint the full picture though- banks, housebuilders, ITV:mad: still significantly down, gold miners up etc. We've had a big sector rotation.
 
Danny1982 said:
I'm talking about the reactions in the market thread. The thread was started when it was already around 1.35. Every cent it goes down => "falling like a stone reaction", but when it goes up 2-3 cents, you see a very different reaction. Yes there has been a mild drop in economic indicators (the pound value is not everything by the way), mainly due to the uncertainty and anxiety in the market right now, but "nuclear shower"?! Now it does actually sound more like "score-mongering" than objective assessment to the facts we have at hand right now.

What will happen in a year? Don't know. What will happen in 10 years? Don't know. Probably Britain's economy will take a hit for a couple of years (depending on the deal they will get from the EU) but I also find it difficult to believe that it won't be able to recover (if everybody really worked in that direction) after that. Britain is just too big economically. However my comment has nothing to do with the predictions, I'm talking about some of the reactions to what actually happened so far.
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Sterling fell to a 31 year low against the dollar on Monday tbf!
 
Will Absolute said:
It's odd how Remainers are determined to paint post-referendum events as a series of catastrophes, when so far nothing much has happened at all. The stock market has weathered the storm comfortably, and the most notable economic development has been the drop in the pound, which most experts regarded as overpriced anyway, and whose fall is likely to prove good for the economy. The forecast meltdown has not occurred, and the markets have bet heavily against it happening at all.

We'll have to await events long-term, but, as of now, 'I told you so' sentiment from the Remain camp is entirely empty.
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I voted remain but I think that's a decent post. The final paragraph being especially true, I don't like the fact some perk up when things go badly to show they were right, gloating over bad movements when it'll affect people's jobs is very distasteful.

It's been a very limited reaction so far. Things could easily turn sour but personally I think that would be EU wide and not just us.
 
TwoSheds said:
You're fairly well wrong on the economics front but, ignoring that for now, how do you feel about giving carte blanche to racist dickheads and creating national division on a grand scale? All the while basically leaderless and with no opposition and Theresa May threatening to kick all the EU immigrants out if she doesn't get what she wants. Oh and Michael Gove. And Murdoch. And Farage.
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I didn't discuss the economics in my post I discussed the reactions to what's happening so far.

I definitely agree that the biggest challenge Britain is facing right now is actually the division that's beginning to appear in its society. In my opinion that's the real danger that should be tackled appropriately at the moment. However, imo, the best way to tackle it is not by trying to treat the angry voices like useless ignorant childlish pr*cks. That will only make them angrier, more frustrated, and you're actually helping cnuts like Farage grow this way.

This notion that "if we scare them a bit more, and insult them a bit more, they'll back down!" clearly didn't work in the referendum. Time to reconsider your tactics and may be approach them in a different way. You have already lost 52% of the country.
 
MannyB said:
Try telling that to people who are already struggling with the weekly shop.
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We've had prices being deflated for a significant period now so people should be able to absorb the change. It's not the first time even in recent times we've had sterling against the euro this low so it's currently not a 'crisis' any which way.

At the same time rising sterling has hit exporters but people weren't particularly interested in that. It's one of the concerns the BoE had with raising interest rates and it pushing it to levels which would handicap.
 
Danny1982 said:
I didn't discuss the economics in my post I discussed the reactions to what's happening so far.

I definitely agree that the biggest challenge Britain is facing right now is actually the division that's beginning to appear in its society. In my opinion that's the real danger that should be tackled appropriately at the moment. However, imo, the best way to tackle it is not by trying to treat the angry voices like useless ignorant childlish pr*cks. That will only make them angrier, more frustrated, and you're actually helping cnuts like Farage grow this way.

This notion that "if we scare them a bit more, and insult them a bit more, they'll back down!" clearly didn't work in the referendum. Time to reconsider your tactics and may be approach them in a different way. You have already lost 52% of the country.
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17 million isn't 52% of the country.
 
Danny1982 said:
I didn't discuss the economics in my post I discussed the reactions to what's happening so far.

I definitely agree that the biggest challenge Britain is facing right now is actually the division that's beginning to appear in its society. In my opinion that's the real danger that should be tackled appropriately at the moment. However, imo, the best way to tackle it is not by trying to treat the angry voices like useless ignorant childlish pr*cks. That will only make them angrier, more frustrated, and you're actually helping cnuts like Farage grow this way.

This notion that "if we scare them a bit more, and insult them a bit more, they'll back down!" clearly didn't work in the referendum. Time to reconsider your tactics and may be approach them in a different way. You have already lost 52% of the country.
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What's it got to do with me? I would happily pop Murdoch in his evil old head if he walked past me, same goes for Lord Bellend of Rothermere or whatever he's called who owns the Mail, but no one with any money or influence is trying to sort them out. FFS Gazza was in court today for making a joke about not being able to see a black guy in the dark, and yet these media barons and scumbag journos can print articles calling Syrians fleeing an appalling war "cockroaches" for wanting to escape to Europe, and they get a peerage.

Our politicians have happily been telling the world for 50 years or more how tolerant we are, we hate racism, come here and bring your money, your culture and your cheap labour. And yet, ever since I can remember, in the ear of the working class people they've been fecking over, they've been whispering about how it's not your fault for being a useless bellend, nor is it my fault for providing you shit education, no opportunities, poor mental health care etc. No, it's the fault of foreigners. It's the fault of the EU. Anyone but me.

You can only fuel immigration with one hand and fuel fear and hatred with the other for so long before they collide.

Extraordinary groupthink and corruption in our politics for decades, and if it were up to me I'd stick em all in an inflatable raft and send them off to Syria.
 
Danny1982 said:
I'm talking about the reactions in the market thread. The thread was started when it was already around 1.35. Every cent it goes down => "falling like a stone reaction", but when it goes up 2-3 cents, you see a very different reaction. Yes there has been a mild drop in economic indicators (the pound value is not everything by the way), mainly due to the uncertainty and anxiety in the market right now, but "nuclear shower"?! Now it does actually sound more like "score-mongering" than objective assessment to the facts we have at hand right now.

What will happen in a year? Don't know. What will happen in 10 years? Don't know. Probably Britain's economy will take a hit for a couple of years (depending on the deal they will get from the EU) but I also find it difficult to believe that it won't be able to recover (if everybody really worked in that direction) after that. Britain is just too big economically. However my comment has nothing to do with the predictions, I'm talking about some of the reactions to what actually happened so far.
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I'm probably the first person to use a "nuclear shower" reference this week (10 posts up from your post) and it was not used in the manner you are suggesting. So it sounds like you're being oversensitive to any criticism of Leave.

Regarding the price fluctuations on the £, anyone who follows the markets knows the pressure was on to push the £ to the downside what with all the developments this week. Any minor rally after a massive drop is usually profit grabbing with a view to continue selling it to the downside. Hence all the 'I wouldn't read much into it'.
 
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