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He spends more time to this day talking about how great United are, "Juve who? Oh yeah, they pay me or something..... whatevs."evra?
Hell, the first thing he done after finalizing with Juve was to take a holiday in LA, meet up with Beckham, and bring him to where United were holding a training camp so all the young United players could meet him.
No but the potential is certainly there
Value is a relative thing and Pogba is for sure worth 30 mil more for United then he is for Madrid. Sterling on the other hand is just example of bad business and can not be used as an example.
I'd put it down to panic setting in really. Fear and all that jazz. Tactics don't result in passing directly to the opposition.
Where was rooneys so called leadership qualities? Why couldn't he captain the team properly.
Any mate, don't want to derail the Pogba thread! Each to his own
The passing from all the players was poor. One reason for this was lack of movement. If you don't have players infront of you creating and running into space then you are obviously not going to have anyone to pass to. Rooney often had to pass to players that were tightly marked so of course he is going to often lose the ball. If our movement was as good as France's then our passing would have been much better.
His athleticism has always been amazing, he just bounces across the pitch like an NBA player.
Neymar would have been £150m and he still wouldn't come.
You do if you're United.
If Jose wanted Pogba, and Pogba wanted to come to United, we'd buy him.
The market sets a going rate for transfers. United are rarely, if ever, able to pick up a bargain.
If you're point is that Eddy tells Jose that Pogba will cost 100m, but he's found out that Real will sell Modric & Kroos for a combined 100m (or whatever numbers you choose), the outlay still doesn't matter to me.
Money is used as a universal reference point. But I trust that we have sensible people at the club. Jose will have a budget to work within. How he spends that is entirely up to him.
Therefore I simply do not care what we pay for players. Because I know that the manager wanted the player, and the board have endorsed the spend, both as a single spend, and a whole transfer budget.
[Also pointing out that my original comment on costs of transfers was in relation to those talking about Pogba not having enough 'Commercial value' to justify a huge fee]
Not close.
A great player, one worth building a team around. He's the perfect Mourinho type of player so it's no wonder we're willing to break the bank to get him. Pogba plus another defender and we have a formidable team that others will fear.
Madrid bought Alonso and Modric for big fees and only for Kroos contract situation they would've spent £35+ on him. These are all top, top midfielders who were bought for the high but correct price. Goalies, defenders and Midfielders just don't go for the same money as big name forwards.
But that's not the money you spend on potential, hence why barcelona and real seem to be shying away from that deal.
For that kind of money we should be looking at tier 1 footballers, we're breaking a record here, that's the money you pay for suarez or bale, not for a potentially top midfielder like pogba. There won't be any resale value if he fails to reach his potential.
I just get the feeling that Pogba would have that unplayable aura about him like Yaya in his prime. The way he glides in the midfield and just brushes off players as if they aren't even there.
Big fees yes, 100m record fee, no.
I can't see Ronaldo being there for more than a year. They now could sign Hazard relatively cheap because of his poor season. Imagine if he performs well next season, his price would surely go through the roof and perhaps could easily be out of Madrid's range (100m+).
You're right about Pogba. They've a good balance at the moment and trying to shoehorn Pogba in there would do nothing but disrupt it.
I agree with this.
didn't madrid break the record when signing Zidane?
Zidane says hi
The money is completely irrelevant when you get to elite players, the select few that only make two or three transfers in their career and always for astronomical fees are very hard to get because you have to offer them the whole package not just in terms of wages but in terms of ambition of club, Pogba will become an icon in the game, its obvious. You can have one fellaini, one mata and one blind for the price that Ronaldo went for, but players like him don't move. Pogba wants a move and the price is a sterling and a mangala, you buy him. The base rate for decent players is so inflated that transfers at this level will become more common when the elite do occasionally move, get them while you can.
The same Madrid who are prepared to offer 80m euros for Pogba and broke the world record fee for kaka?
Let's say this is true, do we really want a player for which we were his third choice?
Not only was that long ago, but as i mentioned before madrid were all about signing the galacticos of that era more than anything.
Also zidane was a phenomenal at his peak, not an over hyped player with potential.
kaka?
But that wasn't your point, you said midfielders don't need to go for huge fees and zidane was a record fee. Furthermore the argument falls down because you say forwards are the ones worth the most but who is the real galactico, who defined that Madrid team and it was zidane, in midfield.
Does he make our midfield better?
I'd go mental if this happens. When was the last time we actually signed a world class player the top guns were after? We missed out on a lot of top talent on account of Glazers being stingy cnuts and because Fergie thought there was no value in the market. It will be a welcome sight to see players worthy of the top dazzling OT again.
The fee and whether we were first or third choice are irrelevant. Once he's signed he's ours and we reap the benefits.
does it matter? he is a midfielder who real broke the transfer record for. it makes your statement bollocks
Madrid broke the world record twice in a few days. Kaka and then Ronaldo.
If he does well, no one will care. We paid massive amounts for Martial who was nothing but potential. No one cares now.
ah right. @Someone
Most players crack on with it, and don't go the way di maria did. If he wants to come he comes, if he doesn't he stays at juve. It isn't like the di maria situation where he needed to get out of Madrid because he was in the middle of a hissy fit, he is going to advance his career, if he thinks he can do that with us its progression, if he can't he stays and waits for the big two to come knocking then.
It does matter when you have to go back 15 years to find a hole an in argument.
He might want to play in Spain and then later come back to England. Personally, I don't care. I think he will get over it and if it proves that big a problem for him - he would just stay at Juve anyway.
Having a slave who make elevate the team to top quality for a few years then sell for profit is not bad at all. Difference between Ronaldo type vs Di Maria type is the former has the arrogance and ambition to become the best. The latter is known to need motivation from time to time, and already sees himself reached the top (Real Madrid)
Anyways, underwhelming scoring/assisting stats in Euro. Do not want.
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A very good performance from Pogba against Iceland.
It was clear from the first second that he was asked to play as a defensive mid with Sissoko and Matuidi in front of him. He kept his game simple and often opted for the short pass, except the assist to Giroud/ Greizmann.
The best part today about his game is that he didn't get over confident or left his defensive position. He always gave his team mates good options. Judging by this tournament his reputation is still intact as one of the best young midfielders around. If Jose wants him I'm all for this decision because Pogba is a game changer and a winner. We need more characters like him.
It was clear from the first second that he was asked to play as a defensive mid with Sissoko and Matuidi in front of him. He kept his game simple and often opted for the short pass, except the assist to Giroud/ Greizmann.
The best part today about his game is that he didn't get over confident or left his defensive position. He always gave his team mates good options. Judging by this tournament his reputation is still intact as one of the best young midfielders around. If Jose wants him I'm all for this decision because Pogba is a game changer and a winner. We need more characters like him.
Kaka used to play behind inzaghi, or is he a box to box midfielder now?
If there was a 24-25 Paul Scholes or Bryan Robson I would spend 100m in a hearbeat in todays market. Ronaldo, Bale and Suarez were all very well developed players already as well. Neymar is a bit of an exception but generally they both spend huge sums on players approaching there peak.
I dont think Pogba is over rated, but I also dont think he is worth the 100m simply because he is still a year or so away from being the complete player, Arsene Wenger said something to that degree and I fully agree, BUT I think he has everything as a player it just needs to be channelled better.
At the end of the day though we have spent near the supposed Pogba fee on Herrera, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Blind and Fellaini and I would rather have the player Pogba could become in 18 months to 2 years than all of those players.
As long he doesn't do a ADM!