Pro BrExit voters - how do you feel now?

[Chorley1974]

You do realise that those 1/5, if true (?), don't just disappear if the UK and the EU don't agree on some sort of trade agreement. The cars will get more expensive but people will still buy them especially in the luxus segment.

The cars will get more expensive, but the alternatives will become more attractive, as the 5th largest economy in the world we do have some clout in negotiation. I don't have a crystal ball unlike many in this thread, I just don't think a trade deal will be as bad as most the doommongers predict.

 

[Drifter]

Uk Construction has had a serious decline. Brexit will surely add to the problem.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36701273

There is also a shortage of skilled young men and women.

 

[Silva]

The cars will get more expensive, but the alternatives will become more attractive, as the 5th largest economy in the world we do have some clout in negotiation. I don't have a crystal ball unlike many in this thread, I just don't think a trade deal will be as bad as most the doommongers predict.

Most of us expect the deal to be what we have now minus leverage in Brussels. Which isn't what anyone voted for.

 

[Barca84]

Nope. I think those who voted leave are typically wrong about 90% of what they believe and I make no apologies for that opinion. There are a million different reasons for those beliefs from person to person, generalising is therefore a waste of time. The one constant between all of them, Murdoch etc excluded, is that they were lied to on a grand and shameful scale, using your, and my, taxes, and with the complicity of an incredibly out of touch and corrupt political class. They have thereby unknowingly handed even more power to those people to ruin their lives. I will take no pleasure in being proven right when most people's lives get noticeably worse over the next months and years, and when more people die because of this folly. But I would bet my house on it. If you hadn't unwittingly already done so!

Just to remind you...

Unfortunately, 51.8% of people who voted are that simple.

The leave vote continues to be derided by those who voted remain as being the vote of the uneducated, the cretins, the left behinds, the racist, the too old to really matter anymore thereby positioning themselves as the educated, sophisticated, progressive, inclusive and young. You're up to it too. That's the real eye opener here - that there is a significant chunk of this country that thinks it is more worthy than others. It's implicit in yours and others wrongly held belief that people voted to leave based on a pack of lies and have been duped. Duped in a way that the educated remain voters (the not simple?) could never be.

"More people will die because of this folly" - what is this hysterical claim based on? Is this another one of your predictions?

Are you worried about your mortgage interest rate?

 

[GloryHunter07]

You get whats behind it? Attracting compainies to base there.

Thats why NL is so attractive and why i always have english speaking jobs here

Its more about stopping companies from relocating to the EU.

I would be shocked if this leads to bigger tax revenues. Bottom line is that Joe Bloggs will end up paying for this.

 

[GloryHunter07]

Nope. I think those who voted leave are typically wrong about 90% of what they believe and I make no apologies for that opinion.

Those kind of mass generalisations are really stupid and not conducive to getting your point across.

 

[Chorley1974]

Most of us expect the deal to be what we have now minus leverage in Brussels. Which isn't what anyone voted for.

I think the vote was emotive and based on uncontrolled immigration and borders, and lack of sovereignty in the courts, I think the economy was an afterthought for most. Personally the economic impact was the only reason I was in the remain camp in the end.

 

[Sied]

Its more about stopping companies from relocating to the EU.

I would be shocked if this leads to bigger tax revenues. Bottom line is that Joe Bloggs will end up paying for this.

High tax rates won't necessarily lead to more tax revenue. If huge companies like Vodafone, easyJet, Visa, etc. move their headquarters out of the UK like they are talking about, the lost tax would obviously be greater than that lost in cutting corporation tax. Osbourne wouldn't do it otherwise.

I can't get my head around this idea by some Brexit voters, that stopping immigrants coming into the country will benefit British workers and unemployed. Will the jobs even still be there? Will Brits even take the jobs that many think are below them? Not to mention those who are simply lazy and aren't prepared to work as hard as the immigrants, and that's the ones who aren't on the dole, draining our taxes. Will British landlords lose out when they can't rent their cheap properties out to Brits who aren't prepared to live in such properties? The knock on effects go on and on.

Fortunately we'll be forced to allow a large amount of free movement to get any sort of reasonable trade deals, so we'll most likely end up with a similar deal to what we started with!

 

[M18CTID]

High tax rates won't necessarily lead to more tax revenue. If huge companies like Vodafone, easyJet, Visa, etc. move their headquarters out of the UK like they are talking about, the lost tax would obviously be greater than that lost in cutting corporation tax. Osbourne wouldn't do it otherwise.

I can't get my head around this idea by some Brexit voters, that stopping immigrants coming into the country will benefit British workers and unemployed. Will the jobs even still be there? Will Brits even take the jobs that many think are below them? Not to mention those who are simply lazy and aren't prepared to work as hard as the immigrants, and that's the ones who aren't on the dole, draining our taxes. Will British landlords lose out when they can't rent their cheap properties out to Brits who aren't prepared to live in such properties? The knock on effects go on and on.

Fortunately we'll be forced to allow a large amount of free movement to get any sort of reasonable trade deals, so we'll most likely end up with a similar deal to what we started with!

I didn't vote the way I did because of immigration or reducing it but just a couple of thoughts, one based on personal experience and one not.

The immigration topic has many different layers to it. Some people are downright ignorant - or racist - so their opinions aren't really worth discussion. There is an issue ,however, where migrant workers are doing skilled jobs for a much lower rate than their local counterparts which is either driving the wages of those workers down or driving them out of a job. I don't blame the migrants for this - I blame the unscrupulous companies that are exploiting cheap labour in order to increase profits. How this gets addressed I don't know but IMO there should be a law that says the going rate should be paid for a particular profession in a particular country.

Now on to my own personal experience. Where I work we have 2 Poles - one skilled and one unskilled - and they've been with us for the best part of 10 years. The skilled worker was originally an unskilled labourer but has since been trained up and gets paid the same as all the other skilled workers. And do you know what? He's one of the most productive workers on the shop floor and if it was up to me I'd pay him more than most of the others! The unskilled worker does a very important job too that has been a nightmare to fill in years gone by. We've had numerous local people try and fill that position but few have lasted any length of time. If he left tomorrow we'd get by somehow but it would cause us a lot of problems trying to find a replacement.

 

[horsechoker]

There is also a shortage of skilled young men and women.

I don't know the stats on that and I'll take your word for it but I would hope addressing this will be a priority for the next government. Moreover, earning these skills should be priority for young men and women who are complaining all the immigrants are taking jobs.

 

[sullydnl]

Just to remind you...



The leave vote continues to be derided by those who voted remain as being the vote of the uneducated, the cretins, the left behinds, the racist, the too old to really matter anymore thereby positioning themselves as the educated, sophisticated, progressive, inclusive and young. You're up to it too. That's the real eye opener here - that there is a significant chunk of this country that thinks it is more worthy than others. It's implicit in yours and others wrongly held belief that people voted to leave based on a pack of lies and have been duped. Duped in a way that the educated remain voters (the not simple?) could never be.

"More people will die because of this folly" - what is this hysterical claim based on? Is this another one of your predictions?

Are you worried about your mortgage interest rate?

Is it not statistically true that younger, more educated voters were more likely to vote remain while older, less educated voters were likely to vote Leave? All the voting data I've seen indicated that this was the clear trend.

Hardly surprising that remain voters are claiming to be the more educated, younger and progressive bunch if they largely are the more educated, younger and progressive bunch.

 

[Sied]

I didn't vote the way I did because of immigration or reducing it but just a couple of thoughts, one based on personal experience and one not.

The immigration topic has many different layers to it. Some people are downright ignorant - or racist - so their opinions aren't really worth discussion. There is an issue ,however, where migrant workers are doing skilled jobs for a much lower rate than their local counterparts which is either driving the wages of those workers down or driving them out of a job. I don't blame the migrants for this - I blame the unscrupulous companies that are exploiting cheap labour in order to increase profits. How this gets addressed I don't know but IMO there should be a law that says the going rate should be paid for a particular profession in a particular country.

Now on to my own personal experience. Where I work we have 2 Poles - one skilled and one unskilled - and they've been with us for the best part of 10 years. The skilled worker was originally an unskilled labourer but has since been trained up and gets paid the same as all the other skilled workers. And do you know what? He's one of the most productive workers on the shop floor and if it was up to me I'd pay him more than most of the others! The unskilled worker does a very important job too that has been a nightmare to fill in years gone by. We've had numerous local people try and fill that position but few have lasted any length of time. If he left tomorrow we'd get by somehow but it would cause us a lot of problems trying to find a replacement.

Just regarding the bold part, my thoughts are that employers can't be blamed for trying to keep costs down. Take China as the obvious example of a country that produces products cheaply because they pay and look after their staff so poorly. I don't want to see employers taking all the profits, or mistreating their staff, but there's a balance where employers will move their operations abroad.

The last paragraph basically sums up where I was coming from with my post. I've heard and seen similar stories many time. People are more motivated to work hard and make something of themselves if they grew up with little.

 

[redshaw]

High tax rates won't necessarily lead to more tax revenue. If huge companies like Vodafone, easyJet, Visa, etc. move their headquarters out of the UK like they are talking about, the lost tax would obviously be greater than that lost in cutting corporation tax. Osbourne wouldn't do it otherwise.

I can't get my head around this idea by some Brexit voters, that stopping immigrants coming into the country will benefit British workers and unemployed. Will the jobs even still be there? Will Brits even take the jobs that many think are below them? Not to mention those who are simply lazy and aren't prepared to work as hard as the immigrants, and that's the ones who aren't on the dole, draining our taxes. Will British landlords lose out when they can't rent their cheap properties out to Brits who aren't prepared to live in such properties? The knock on effects go on and on.

Fortunately we'll be forced to allow a large amount of free movement to get any sort of reasonable trade deals, so we'll most likely end up with a similar deal to what we started with!

That's the ironic thing about all this. Not only do we need immigrants, it also gives more opportunity to people born here, you don't have to do that factory job. How many have complained in the past of crappy jobs, now I'm hearing hey we want those crappy jobs back with no future please.

If people want more schools and doctors then we need a bigger workforce to build them. Near me an old school has been torn down and a new bigger and better one has been built, no doubt through the help of foreigners. I doubt it would be possible otherwise. the country benefits, we get better as a whole. There's many more dumps that need to be torn down and rebuilt. Also how this country forgets who built the roads and got this country mobile and forward looking.

People take going shopping at all hours for granted now but I remember the so called good old days where you couldn't buy anything on a Sunday, or after 5.30pm on a weekday. Very few people wanted to work nights and if they did its was very specific time slots or within the inner city. Fuel stations either closed or shut at 10pm.

Not only that, people are coming over to work and paying for benefits of people born here who are literally living off the fat of the land. If our economy shrinks there won't be much fat to live off

I hope those in power can get a move on quickly as the more people hold on to their money before buying a house, investing whatever or companies holding out on contracts the quicker we'll be in a recession and turn into a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Kopral Jono]

I didn't actually vote. If I were British and were to vote I would have voted for remain, that is without question.

But I'm not and nor am I an EU citizen living and working in the UK. Knowing that I won't be here for long, I selfishly wanted the sterling to take a beating because I get paid by the firm I work for here in Indonesian rupiah: a worthless currency. London is pretty damn expensive and I have no emotional attachment to this country. I need all the help I can get.

For that reason alone I wanted the UK to leave. And to say that the past week has been as expected is an understatement.

 

[Drifter]

I don't know the stats on that and I'll take your word for it but I would hope addressing this will be a priority for the next government. Moreover, earning these skills should be priority for young men and women who are complaining all the immigrants are taking jobs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...7970/Where-have-all-the-bricklayers-gone.html

 

[M18CTID]

Is it not statistically true that younger, more educated voters were more likely to vote remain while older, less educated voters were likely to vote Leave? All the voting data I've seen indicated that this was the clear trend.

Hardly surprising that remain voters are claiming to be the more educated, younger and progressive bunch if they largely are the more educated, younger and progressive bunch.

He's not disputing that. He's referring to some remain voters adopting a sneering, vitriolic attitude to leave voters and it's not just the young ones either. I saw at least 3, perhaps 4, 40-somethings on my FB timeline adopt the same attitude yet the ironic thing is none of them have a clue about politics. As for the younger generation, they may well be better educated due to so many more attending university these days, yet laughably only around 40% of 18-25 year olds bothered to get up off their arses to vote.

I'll also add that being educated to university standard doesn't gain you lifestyle skills and it generally holds that many younger people have far less in the way of lifestyle skills than older people. Some of the densest people I've ever met have qualifications coming out of their ears yet haven't got a fecking clue how to apply themselves in the real world. Also, somewhat interestingly, when we were in the pub watching the England game last week one person we know in his early 20's told us he voted to leave. And this is someone who is a proper culture vulture - he has travelled all over the world, sampling many different cultures and lifestyles, but he doesn't like the direction the EU is going in and decided to vote to leave. On the other hand his dad, aged 48, voted to remain.

 

[Kentonio]

He's not disputing that. He's referring to some remain voters adopting a sneering, vitriolic attitude to leave voters and it's not just the young ones either. I saw at least 3, perhaps 4, 40-somethings on my FB timeline adopt the same attitude yet the ironic thing is none of them have a clue about politics.

Well they had enough of a clue to not vote for dive bombing the economy, so they immediately win points for that.

As for sneering and vitriolic, I can barely talk to many of the Leave voters in my friendship group right now. Almost to a man they are people who haven't done a lot, have never cared less about politics but who suddenly became 'experts' a few weeks before the vote. The very next day when the Remain voters were venting their rage these new political analysts all decided that the very best response they could give was that we should all just get over it and come together to 'rebuild the country'.

You know how many of them have since done anything to achieve that lofty goal? How many of them are looking to start a business, or organize a volunteer group, or hell even join a political party? Zero. At the same time, many of the Remain voters I know have realized that political engagement is the only way to get results and have paid for Labour membership, started studying up up the many political issues affecting us and are now considerably more engaged and knowledgable than they were a month ago.

As someone who has studied politics for over 25 years I know very well the truth in the famous H.L.Mencken quote that 'No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public'. That statement is perfectly valid on this side of the Atlantic too. Given that many of those people just did something stunningly stupid that hurts millions of people, if all they get in return is a bit of sneering and vitriol thrown at them, then they've come off very lightly.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

There is a decent Panorama on iplayer at the moment on the theme of this thread.

 

[M18CTID]

Well they had enough of a clue to not vote for dive bombing the economy, so they immediately win points for that.

As for sneering and vitriolic, I can barely talk to many of the Leave voters in my friendship group right now. Almost to a man they are people who haven't done a lot, have never cared less about politics but who suddenly became 'experts' a few weeks before the vote. The very next day when the Remain voters were venting their rage these new political analysts all decided that the very best response they could give was that we should all just get over it and come together to 'rebuild the country'.

You know how many of them have since done anything to achieve that lofty goal? How many of them are looking to start a business, or organize a volunteer group, or hell even join a political party? Zero. At the same time, many of the Remain voters I know have realized that political engagement is the only way to get results and have paid for Labour membership, started studying up up the many political issues affecting us and are now considerably more engaged and knowledgable than they were a month ago.

As someone who has studied politics for over 25 years I know very well the truth in the famous H.L.Mencken quote that 'No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public'. That statement is perfectly valid on this side of the Atlantic too. Given that many of those people just did something stunningly stupid that hurts millions of people, if all they get in return is a bit of sneering and vitriol thrown at them, then they've come off very lightly.

That's interesting because the only political "experts" I've seen suddenly piping up amongst my friends are remain voters that put zero thought into casting their vote. Luckily it's only a few and I suspect it'll all blow over in time. In the main, I've had some good discussions with groups of leave and remain voters.

And if you think "venting their rage" is in any way acceptable because someone voted a different way to you then you're part of the problem I'm alluding to. I'll also suggest that if you can "barely talk to many of the Leave voters" in your friendship group, you might be well advised to get some new friends.

 

[Kentonio]

And if you think "venting their rage" is in any way acceptable because someone voted a different way to you then you're part of the problem I'm alluding to. I'll also suggest that if you can "barely talk to many of the Leave voters" in your friendship group, you might be well advised to get some new friends.

There is only one problem, and that is a bunch of people voting to radically change the direction of my country by voting for something that doesn't solve any of the problems they actually wanted to solve.

There is a pervasive movement in our society that says peope should show respect for other peoples opinions and beliefs regardless of what they are. I think that concept is utterly ridiculous and exactly the kind of stupidity that leads to events like this last week. Not everyone's opinion is worthwhile or valid, lots of ideas are stupid and worthless. The idea that we should pay respect to idiocy is a large part of how one of the leading Leave campaigners could come out publicly and say 'the public are sick of experts' and not be immediately laughed out of the room.

If you want to believe that the earth is held up by giant magical ostriches, or that you can live for 200 years if you only eat Cheerios, or indeed that yanking the UK out of a 40 year union that facilitates a huge part of our trade will somehow make the country stronger, then you're welcome to that belief and I won't go around attacking you for it. If however you cast a vote that affects my life and the lives of most of the people I care about based on that nonsense then I'll treat it with the abject contempt it deserves.

And yes, I might still be quite angry in case that didn't come through clearly.

 

[M18CTID]

There is only one problem, and that is a bunch of people voting to radically change the direction of my country by voting for something that doesn't solve any of the problems they actually wanted to solve.

There is a pervasive movement in our society that says peope should show respect for other peoples opinions and beliefs regardless of what they are. I think that concept is utterly ridiculous and exactly the kind of stupidity that leads to events like this last week. Not everyone's opinion is worthwhile or valid, lots of ideas are stupid and worthless. The idea that we should pay respect to idiocy is a large part of how one of the leading Leave campaigners could come out publicly and say 'the public are sick of experts' and not be immediately laughed out of the room.

If you want to believe that the earth is held up by giant magical ostriches, or that you can live for 200 years if you only eat Cheerios, or indeed that yanking the UK out of a 40 year union that facilitates a huge part of our trade will somehow make the country stronger, then you're welcome to that belief and I won't go around attacking you for it. If however you cast a vote that affects my life and the lives of most of the people I care about based on that nonsense then I'll treat it with the abject contempt it deserves.

And yes, I might still be quite angry in case that didn't come through clearly.

If the way the vote went is already directly affecting your life then I can only sympathise. However, at this moment in time the vast majority of people are unaffected and are probably not likely to be over the coming years and to that end I don't understand how you can imply that people should've voted with your self-interest in mind rather than their own.

 

[Kentonio]

If the way the vote went is already directly affecting your life then I can only sympathise. However, at this moment in time the vast majority of people are unaffected and are probably not likely to be over the coming years and to that end I don't understand how you can imply that people should've voted with your self-interest in mind rather than their own.

EVERYONE'S lives are about to be affected, and the people who are worst off now are the ones who are going to be hurt the most. Completely setting aside the economic damage that is coming over the next few years, the country is about to be handed over to the far right of the Tory party, the same people who have spent their careers trying to undermine the NHS with the eventual goal of privatization, radically reform education in ways that will cause irreperable damage to entire generations of children, and massively increase the economic inequality that is already resulting in a small number of rich people making huge profits while the poorest are stuck in zero hour contract jobs that barely keep a roof over their heads.

Oh but maybe the Tories won't win the next election right? Well if by some miracle Scotland doesn't leave the UK (which would immediately hand the Tories a huge electoral advantage), the next government is going to have to deal with some of our largest companies moving their HQ's into the EU and our financial sector that funds a massive part of our economy being claimed by Dublin, Paris or Frankfurt.

But hey, we'll be able to sign trade deals outside the EU right, the same deals we could have signed previously but apparently just couldn't be bothered to do until now.

You know the irony of these claims that we remain voters are all about self interest? I live in France now (yeah, one of those immigrants), and a decimated pound is absolutely great for me. Not everyone just thinks about what is going to make them richer.

 

[M18CTID]

EVERYONE'S lives are about to be affected, and the people who are worst off now are the ones who are going to be hurt the most. Completely setting aside the economic damage that is coming over the next few years, the country is about to be handed over to the far right of the Tory party, the same people who have spent their careers trying to undermine the NHS with the eventual goal of privatization, radically reform education in ways that will cause irreperable damage to entire generations of children, and massively increase the economic inequality that is already resulting in a small number of rich people making huge profits while the poorest are stuck in zero hour contract jobs that barely keep a roof over their heads.

Oh but maybe the Tories won't win the next election right? Well if by some miracle Scotland doesn't leave the UK (which would immediately hand the Tories a huge electoral advantage), the next government is going to have to deal with some of our largest companies moving their HQ's into the EU and our financial sector that funds a massive part of our economy being claimed by Dublin, Paris or Frankfurt.

But hey, we'll be able to sign trade deals outside the EU right, the same deals we could have signed previously but apparently just couldn't be bothered to do until now.

You know the irony of these claims that we remain voters are all about self interest? I live in France now (yeah, one of those immigrants), and a decimated pound is absolutely great for me. Not everyone just thinks about what is going to make them richer.

So you live in France, are actually technically better off at this moment in time due to the falling pound, yet have just spent the past week or so spouting off as though you live over here and things have suddenly gone tits up for you. Jog on.

 

[Kentonio]

So you live in France, are actually technically better off at this moment in time due to the falling pound, yet have just spent the past week or so spouting off as though you live over here and things have suddenly gone tits up for you. Jog on.

That's hilarious, apparently me ending up better off is supposed to mean I should be jumping for joy that my family and friends are all about to suffer? And you have the bare faced cheek to accuse the Remain voters of being the ones all about self-interest?

 

[Stanley Road]

You know the irony of these claims that we remain voters are all about self interest? I live in France now (yeah, one of those immigrants), and a decimated pound is absolutely great for me. Not everyone just thinks about what is going to make them richer.

Being angry wont help you going forward, it will just frustrate you

 

[Kentonio]

Being angry wont help you going forward, it will just frustrate you

I think sometimes people need to get angry and realize this is about people's actual lives, not just an ideological debate.

 

[M18CTID]

That's hilarious, apparently me ending up better off is supposed to mean I should be jumping for joy that my family and friends are all about to suffer? And you have the bare faced cheek to accuse the Remain voters of being the ones all about self-interest?

Wrong. I'm calling you out for being a liar and deliberately misleading people about your own situation - in a previous post you said, and I quote, that the vote affects "your life" yet less than 25 minutes later you were saying something completely opposite and that the decimated pound has been absolutely great for you. So forgive me for not believing a word you say when you can't even get your own story straight.

 

[Kentonio]

Wrong. I'm calling you out for being a liar and deliberately misleading people about your own situation - in a previous post you said, and I quote, that the vote affects "your life" yet less than 25 minutes later you were saying something completely opposite and that the decimated pound has been absolutely great for you. So forgive me for not believing a word you say when you can't even get your own story straight.

It does affect my life, firstly there are still very large question marks over the situation of both EU immigrants living in the uk, but also UK immigrants (like myself) living in the EU. Secondly, despite being financially better off with a lower pound, the UK leaving the EU weakens the EU economically, which could have knock on effects in EU countries. Thirdly, me living here now doesn't mean I'll be living here forever. The UK taking a bit nose-dive could radically effect any decision on returning to my own country at any point.

The difference is that I can weather any problems caused in the UK. A lot of people I care about very deeply cannot. So before you start throwing accusations of lying around, maybe you should understand that this decision has knock on effects you probably havent even considered yet.

 

[Stanley Road]

I think sometimes people need to get angry and realize this is about people's actual lives, not just an ideological debate.

Well Anger wont help you. You need to turn it into something positive, make exiting the eu work for you and your family. Have they all been fired since the vote?

 

[M18CTID]

It does affect my life, firstly there are still very large question marks over the situation of both EU immigrants living in the uk, but also UK immigrants (like myself) living in the EU. Secondly, despite being financially better off with a lower pound, the UK leaving the EU weakens the EU economically, which could have knock on effects in EU countries. Thirdly, me living here now doesn't mean I'll be living here forever. The UK taking a bit nose-dive could radically effect any decision on returning to my own country at any point.

So how about you take that 'liar' bullshit and stick it up your ass?

So as things stand, absolutely nothing has affected you and you're even in a better situation due to the weak pound. And seriously, if you think anything negative will happen with regards to EU immigrants in the UK and UK immigrants living in the EU then you seriously need to have a word with yourself. Everything you've said is mere speculation at this point and you're just looking at worst-case scenarios to try and put your point across so yes, you have basically lied in this discussion and given the huge amount of dummy spitting it's a good job you weren't on the frontline at the Somme 100 years ago.

Take Stanley Road's advice and try and think positively.

 

[Kentonio]

So as things stand, absolutely nothing has affected you and you're even in a better situation due to the weak pound. And seriously, if you think anything negative will happen with regards to EU immigrants in the UK and UK immigrants living in the EU then you seriously need to have a word with yourself. Everything you've said is mere speculation at this point and you're just looking at worst-case scenarios to try and put your point across so yes, you have basically lied in this discussion and given the huge amount of dummy spitting it's a good job you weren't on the frontline at the Somme 100 years ago.

Take Stanley Road's advice and try and think positively.

I edited the last part of my message, because I try not to be openly offensive, but if you call me a liar again you can go feck yourself. Typical of a Leave voter to bring up the war though, amazing how many of you post shit about it despite never having fought yourselves.

Incidentally, those very same people who fought two wars came back and carried on fighting at home for the rights of workers. They didn't sell out the country to right wing profiteers because they were too lazy to educate themselves about what a vote meant.

 

[M18CTID]

I edited the last part of my message, because I try not to be openly offensive, but if you call me a liar again you can go feck yourself. Typical of a Leave voter to bring up the war though, amazing how many of you post shit about it despite never having fought yourselves.

Incidentally, those very same people who fought two wars came back and carried on fighting at home for the rights of workers. They didn't sell out the country to right wing profiteers because they were too lazy to educate themselves about what a vote meant.

But you did lie though because you said the vote has affected you, and not in a positive way either, only to bizarrely expose yourself when backtracking and creaming your pants about you being better off due to the weak pound. You've been sussed and if you want me to go and feck myself I'm happy to oblige. I've got better things to do with my time than engage with trolls and wums.

 

[Brwned]

He's not disputing that. He's referring to some remain voters adopting a sneering, vitriolic attitude to leave voters and it's not just the young ones either. I saw at least 3, perhaps 4, 40-somethings on my FB timeline adopt the same attitude yet the ironic thing is none of them have a clue about politics. As for the younger generation, they may well be better educated due to so many more attending university these days, yet laughably only around 40% of 18-25 year olds bothered to get up off their arses to vote.

I always find this a really strange viewpoint. Political apathy and laziness are not the same thing. Political apathy is a political and societal problem, not an individual problem. The fact you find it laughable is really concerning.

 

[Kentonio]

But you did lie though because you said the vote has affected you, and not in a positive way either, only to bizarrely expose yourself when backtracking and creaming your pants about you being better off due to the weak pound. You've been sussed and if you want me to go and feck myself I'm happy to oblige. I've got better things to do with my time than engage with trolls and wums.

Do you have reading issues? I'm insulated from the worst affects of this by being abroad. In fact in the immediate term I get benefits from the collapse of the pound. Despite this it could indeed have long term negatives but more importantly it hurts people I care about in the short term who have to live in the UK with this bullshit.

How was that in any way hard to understand? Don't accuse me of lying if you can't understand simple English.

 

[Bury Red]

Uk Construction has had a serious decline. Brexit will surely add to the problem.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36701273

It already has. The new runway at Heathrow is indefinitely shelved, HS2 will slip by at least 1 year, Hinckley Point is on the slide too with doubts about whether EDF will want to see it through and longer term projects like Swansea tidal barrage and St Catherine's Point are looking less likely as many of the investers get cold feet. Our skills crisis could well finish the industry if there is no recourse to foreign labour to complete vital schemes and our lead roll at the negotiating table in terms of industry standardisation, design codes, quality assurance, BIM etc is looking likely to be withdrawn with us having to watch the rules being written without any input and either comply or be locked out of any overseas contracts.

 

[NinjaFletch]

He's not disputing that. He's referring to some remain voters adopting a sneering, vitriolic attitude to leave voters and it's not just the young ones either. I saw at least 3, perhaps 4, 40-somethings on my FB timeline adopt the same attitude yet the ironic thing is none of them have a clue about politics. As for the younger generation, they may well be better educated due to so many more attending university these days, yet laughably only around 40% of 18-25 year olds bothered to get up off their arses to vote.

I'll also add that being educated to university standard doesn't gain you lifestyle skills and it generally holds that many younger people have far less in the way of lifestyle skills than older people. Some of the densest people I've ever met have qualifications coming out of their ears yet haven't got a fecking clue how to apply themselves in the real world. Also, somewhat interestingly, when we were in the pub watching the England game last week one person we know in his early 20's told us he voted to leave. And this is someone who is a proper culture vulture - he has travelled all over the world, sampling many different cultures and lifestyles, but he doesn't like the direction the EU is going in and decided to vote to leave. On the other hand his dad, aged 48, voted to remain.

Yeah. Nah. You're wrong.

 

[sullydnl]

He's not disputing that. He's referring to some remain voters adopting a sneering, vitriolic attitude to leave voters and it's not just the young ones either. I saw at least 3, perhaps 4, 40-somethings on my FB timeline adopt the same attitude yet the ironic thing is none of them have a clue about politics. As for the younger generation, they may well be better educated due to so many more attending university these days, yet laughably only around 40% of 18-25 year olds bothered to get up off their arses to vote.

I'll also add that being educated to university standard doesn't gain you lifestyle skills and it generally holds that many younger people have far less in the way of lifestyle skills than older people. Some of the densest people I've ever met have qualifications coming out of their ears yet haven't got a fecking clue how to apply themselves in the real world. Also, somewhat interestingly, when we were in the pub watching the England game last week one person we know in his early 20's told us he voted to leave. And this is someone who is a proper culture vulture - he has travelled all over the world, sampling many different cultures and lifestyles, but he doesn't like the direction the EU is going in and decided to vote to leave. On the other hand his dad, aged 48, voted to remain.

Oh, I get that he's referring to the attitude of the remain voters. I'm just pointing out that it is technically true that the remain voters were younger and more educated, so it makes sense for them to position themselves that way (even if it is in an obnoxious way).

Aye the proportion of young voters who actually voted was disappointing, though that's been a feature of elections for as long as I can remember (and probably across several generations of young people). Though it's probably increased given that, as you say, so many are attending Universities away from home which usually tends to make voting more difficult. At lot of the time it isn't about them not being bothered, it's about them being on the move more and having more erratic time availability than older, settled voters.

 

[Stanley Road]

It already has. The new runway at Heathrow is indefinitely shelved, HS2 will slip by at least 1 year, Hinckley Point is on the slide too with doubts about whether EDF will want to see it through and longer term projects like Swansea tidal barrage and St Catherine's Point are looking less likely as many of the investers get cold feet. Our skills crisis could well finish the industry if there is no recourse to foreign labour to complete vital schemes and our lead roll at the negotiating table in terms of industry standardisation, design codes, quality assurance, BIM etc is looking likely to be withdrawn with us having to watch the rules being written without any input and either comply or be locked out of any overseas contracts.

How long has the new runway been under discussion? think we have 5 now at Schiphol, we'll probably have 10 before Heathrow gets 3. This is solely a UK issue, how much money has already been wasted? HS2, anyone desperate for that?

I feel like other countries in Europe just get on and do it where as the uk just wastes time and all this discussion took place before any vote.

 

[M18CTID]

I always find this a really strange viewpoint. Political apathy and laziness are not the same thing. Political apathy is a political and societal problem, not an individual problem. The fact you find it laughable is really concerning.

When I say laughable, I mean in the context that of so many of the younger generation complaining about how the older generation voted yet when it came down to it the lowest turnout was amongst 18-25 year-olds. That's what I found laughable because you can be sure that some of those moaning didn't even vote.

Personally, I'd make it compulsory for people to vote and even though I'm sure that would've ended with Remain winning it would've given a full reflection across the whole spectrum of eligible voters.

 

[M18CTID]

Oh, I get that he's referring to the attitude of the remain voters. I'm just pointing out that it is technically true that the remain voters were younger and more educated, so it makes sense for them to position themselves that way (even if it is in an obnoxious way).

Aye the proportion of young voters who actually voted was disappointing, though that's been a feature of elections for as long as I can remember (and probably across several generations of young people). Though it's probably increased given that, as you say, so many are attending Universities away from home which usually tends to make voting more difficult. At lot of the time it isn't about them not being bothered, it's about them being on the move more and having more erratic time availability than older, settled voters.

Not really much of an excuse that though. You can vote 3 ways - in person, by post, or even by proxy. That's enough to cover everyone's individual circumstances.