Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)

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Lostie007 said:
If he wins this tournament with Portugal, does he rise above Messi as the best player of this generation?
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It's why the international trophy thing is a flawed argument let's be real here.

Copa America this year Argentina made the final, a certain player did very well just lacked luck in the Final, where as Portugal have scraped through each game with terrible performers.

I think Club level is what you judge players on these days.

I hope Wales win because they deserve a win more than Portugal.
 
Lostie007 said:
If he wins this tournament with Portugal, does he rise above Messi as the best player of this generation?
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No. It would only have been worth discussing if he was having an excellent tournament, one that was better than any international tournament that Messi has ever had.
 
Raul Madrid said:
No. It would only have been worth discussing if he was having an excellent tournament, one that was better than any international tournament that Messi has ever had.
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Tbf that wouldn't be hard to beat if you're talking just about world cups.
 
Kubalionzzale said:
Tbf that wouldn't be hard to beat if you're talking just about world cups.
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Messi was actually good in 2014. If Higuaín had put away his chance in the final, nobody would have complained about that Golden Ball.
 
Synco said:
Messi was actually good in 2014. If Higuaín had put away his chance in the final, nobody would have complained about that Golden Ball.
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Same with Copa America '15 and '16 too, Higuain.

But lets not derail the thread on that one, I don't really think Portugal winning a Euro matters, Ronaldo has been dire.
 
Lostie007 said:
If he wins this tournament with Portugal, does he rise above Messi as the best player of this generation?
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Considering he's been nothing but dire for them all tournament despite one half of football, no I wouldn't say so.
 
Synco said:
Messi was actually good in 2014. If Higuaín had put away his chance in the final, nobody would have complained about that Golden Ball.
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He was good in the group stage, against Bosnia he was shut down hard except that one goal that actually nicked them the win. He wasn't spectacular in knock out stages as far as I recall.
 
Cristiano being the leader in the shootout, from insisting Moutinho takes a PK to encouraging the players.

 
Another 120 minutes for Ronaldo this tournament after such a gruelling season for Real Madrid where he played virtually every minute of every game.

How long can his body keep doing this season after season without breaking down or just slowing down due to old age? he's a machine, he must be ! :lol:
 
Lostie007 said:
Another 120 minutes for Ronaldo this tournament after such a gruelling season for Real Madrid where he played virtually every minute of every game.

How long can his body keep doing this season after season without breaking down or just slowing down due to old age? he's a machine, he must be ! :lol:
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I think it's already happening, he seems to pick his moments for running extremely carefully. He's just bloody brilliant at that kind of self-management (hence that sprint on the 117th minute against Croatia).
 
Arruda said:
He's just bloody brilliant at that kind of self-management (hence that sprint on the 117th minute against Croatia).
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To me that's a double edged sword. Conserving your game? That basically means (for a player of Ronaldo's qualities) less overlaps, less involvement in the build up play, less pressure on defenders, less turning situations out of nothing into chances etc etc. I don't like that.

He's a selfish player that when he gets his rewards (goals, goals and goals) should get praise but when he doesn't (and becames less effective) deserves all the criticism. None of his 'his team mates should step up' bs.

In the Bale thread, people are rightly saying Ramsey is a more important player for Wales and that might be true but it certainly wouldn't be such a clear possibility had Bale been playing like Ronaldo. Bale is doing everything you'd expect of a good forward and in turn that makes his team mates better.
 
criticalanalysis said:
To me that's a double edged sword. Conserving your game? That basically means (for a player of Ronaldo's qualities) less overlaps, less involvement in the build up play, less pressure on defenders, less turning situations out of nothing into chances etc etc. I don't like that.
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I'm not sure. The alternative would him being more active but probably at the expense of having to be subbed off or being far less able at the end of the game. I think we're better off having him for the whole 120 minutes (the norm these days) and him still being able to help solve a game in the 120th minute if it comes down to explosiveness. "For a player of Ronaldo's qualities", being very involved in the build up play or turning situations out of nothing aren't very common these days any way. I'd rather count on his wit and finishing ability for a full 120 minutes.

Pressure on defenders seems to be the area where him conserving himself is more prevalent.
 
Serious point:

Would Ronaldo prefer either

a)His team to win 1-0 , he doesnt score
b)His team loses 4-3, he gets a hatrick

I think i know which.........
 
I think he is saying " Joao Joao" and not hey hey
 
Won the penalty shootout on his own with his calm and encouraging attitude.

Much like in the Champions League final. Viva Ronaldo.
 
He has to be the worst "one of the bests of all time". Take his goals away and he's been pretty ordinary for last 3 years. He's a poor footballer these days but a great goalscorer.
 
Bugshot said:
He has to be the worst "one of the bests of all time". Take his goals away and he's been pretty ordinary for last 3 years. He's a poor footballer these days but a great goalscorer.
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Even if you take out the last three years, that still leaves seven years of consistently world class performances. How many of the former greats stayed at the top for that long? The length of Ronaldo and Messi's reign is very rare in football.
 
Bugshot said:
He has to be the worst "one of the bests of all time". Take his goals away and he's been pretty ordinary for last 3 years. He's a poor footballer these days but a great goalscorer.
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That would be difficult, there sure are a lot of them. There is also his 47 assists in the last 3 years. Do we take them away too? But yeah, apart from his 163 goals and 47 assists in the last 3 seasons, he has been ordinary.
 
Bugshot said:
He has to be the worst "one of the bests of all time". Take his goals away and he's been pretty ordinary for last 3 years. He's a poor footballer these days but a great goalscorer.
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Nonsense. Players tend to fade at his age, but he still has been scoring shitload of goals.

His game isn't as good as it was when he 25 or so. He isn't going to dribble past players for fun like he did a few years ago. But that happens when you 30 plus. He has redeveloped his game just like Giggs did.
 
Bojan11 said:
Nonsense. Players tend to fade at his age, but he still has been scoring shitload of goals.

His game isn't as good as it was when he 25 or so. He isn't going to dribble past players for fun like he did a few years ago. But that happens when you 30 plus. He has redeveloped his game just like Giggs did.
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Not sure he has redeveloped his game. Like Giggs at 30 I think he's at that crossroads and that change needs to happen now.
 
Red Stone said:
Even if you take out the last three years, that still leaves seven years of consistently world class performances. How many of the former greats stayed at the top for that long? The length of Ronaldo and Messi's reign is very rare in football.
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Bojan11 said:
Nonsense. Players tend to fade at his age, but he still has been scoring shitload of goals.

His game isn't as good as it was when he 25 or so. He isn't going to dribble past players for fun like he did a few years ago. But that happens when you 30 plus. He has redeveloped his game just like Giggs did.
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Raul Madrid said:
That would be difficult, there sure are a lot of them. There is also his 47 assists in the last 3 years. Do we take them away too? But yeah, apart from his 163 goals and 47 assists in the last 3 seasons, he has been ordinary.
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Maybe I went too far with my claim but for me he doesn't do what he's capable of. His team mates have been creating chance after chance for him in Euros but he ain't scoring. An obvious thing to do would be to start working on creating something for your team when you're being shit in front of goal. But all he does when he receives the ball is pass it back.

He's giving the ball away far too easily as well. He can't create anything. He's got a god like cross in him but he doesn't work hand when on the flanks to put in a cross. He had much more to his game when he was here.
 
Bojan11 said:
Nonsense. Players tend to fade at his age, but he still has been scoring shitload of goals.

His game isn't as good as it was when he 25 or so. He isn't going to dribble past players for fun like he did a few years ago. But that happens when you 30 plus. He has redeveloped his game just like Giggs did.
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Giggs was still great to watch in his latter days though. Shame Ronaldo's not been able to do that.
 
Sky1981 said:
If you take away all the goals from a striker every GOATS will be ordinary. DOH
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You take away all the goals from Ronaldo of today and to me he'd look like an amateur. Same cannot be said about the other GOATS.
 
Unbelievable power and jump. Incredible
 
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