Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)

[Womp]

There's no backtracking. I said your post was dumb. Deal with it.

Yet you have absolutely no reasoning at all for that claim. My post is nearly as dumb as your broken logic. My post is dumb yet you can't seem to justify it with a proper response, classic. Nothing I've said in my post was dumb at all. I've said he was shite against Poland, which is true. I said bar the game today and the second half against Hungary he has been underwhelming or poor, which is true. I've said that he hasn't even been the best Portugese player at this tournament which is illustrated by the performances of Nani and Sanches who's performance is the definition of a "good tournament". I've said individual decisive moments doesn't = a good tournament. What seems to be so outlandish about anything I've claimed?

Or are you also a Ronaldo fanboy who is of the opinion that I should turn a blind-eye to his performances and focus on how many goals he's scored even though for the world's second best player apart from a motivational stand-point he has been underwhelming?

 

[jungledrums]

Lets walk through the goal. Sanches dribbles from half way dragging out several defenders and gives the ball to Nani. Nani plays an unbelievable ball across goal to an unmarked Ronaldo who misses the shot. Goalkeeper reflects shot back into path of Quaresma who scores.

Ronaldo had the most influence? Who has the blinkers on here.

You're guilty of that which you accuse others of. I find Ronaldo's behaviour at times to be rather tedious, but I don't get why you can't give credit where it's due. I'd say at times his link up play has been good, but his over all play has been below average. He has definitely been decisive, however. Furthermore, did you see the video where he motivates Joao Moutinho to take a pen? The man loves his national team, and yes, has worked hard. He celebrates like he's the only player at times on the field and he sometimes makes decisions that appear selfish, but he's actually quite a good leader I believe. It's actually not dissimilar to Messi's 2014 World Cup. I thought he was terrible for most of that tournament, but credit to the man, he scored 4 important goals when it mattered.

 

[Womp]

You're guilty of that which you accuse others of. I find Ronaldo's behaviour at times to be rather tedious, but I don't get why you can't give credit where it's due. I'd say at times his link up play has been good, but his over all play has been below average. He has definitely been decisive, however. Furthermore, did you see the video where he motivates Joao Moutinho to take a pen? The man loves his national team, and yes, has worked hard. He celebrates like he's the only player at times on the field and he sometimes makes decisions that appear selfish, but he's actually quite a good leader I believe. It's actually not dissimilar to Messi's 2014 World Cup. I thought he was terrible for most of that tournament, but credit to the man, he scored 4 important goals when it mattered.

That's the thing though, in no way am I saying he's had a terrible tournament, simply that he hasn't a "good one", certainly hasn't been their best player IMO. Also if you go above to one of my earlier posts I have said several times that the fact that he's been decisive I agree with but considering what he's capable of that's not enough to warrant him being good this tournament imo, as for every decisive positive he's also had his fair share of stinkers that could have been decisive too.

I think Ronnie is a cock but he's an immense footballer, just think he's been very underwhelming this tournament. The leader point I can't argue though, he's a good leader, but that was never really argued.

 

[Bugshot]

Tbh his fanboys are an annoyance. I've seen people(not on this forum) who don't even follow any league or team but claim to be his huge fans(YouTube, you know).

 

[RedPnutz]

He has to be the worst "one of the bests of all time". Take his goals away and he's been pretty ordinary for last 3 years. He's a poor footballer these days but a great goalscorer.

That's the honest truth.

Take away all his trophies, Mourinho is a pretty ordinary manager. For that matter, Sir Alex too.

 

[Bugshot]

That's the honest truth.

Take away all his trophies, Mourinho is a pretty ordinary manager. For that matter, Sir Alex too.

No, their football will still look better than Moyes' who does have a trophy, or a shield maybe.

 

[RedPnutz]

Hard work and lots of it .. That's why I admire him more than any other player .he was blessed with talent but not enough to be the best player .. To be that he had to put in the work too .. All that and he pays his taxes on time too

And gives away a lot of his money to charity and helpful causes.

But all that doesn't matter, he's an absolute cnut of the highest order because he doesn't celebrate with his teammates or something.

 

[RedRonaldo]

I thought Ronaldo has had an underwhelming tournament so far (performance-wise), but he still got 3 goals and 3 assists, and turn up in all the important moment to help Portugal progress to the final, so it does seem he has a good tournament afterall....

 

[Darwin09]

I read an article a few weeks ago about Messi vs. Cristiano comparing their international careers. The article gave a slight edge to Messi for his accomplishments. Now I think you'd have to give the edge to Ronaldo.

His goal today reminded me of this famous goal by Pele:

 

[Jaybomb]

Everyone was praying he would have a shit tournament after the Iceland game. "Ronaldo can't do it on the big stage", blah blah blah.

What can you say about him now? He got them to a final. 3 goals and 3 assists. He turned up when it mattered. That's what seperates the great players from the world class players. Bale is a great player, but he's not a Messi or a Ronaldo or a Suarez. Those guys are elite level. They always turn up when the moment calls for it. You could say Bale is carrying that Wales team... but then again Ronaldo is carrying this Portugal team too.

As much as the English hype up their players, they will never be as good as the likes of Ronaldo or Messi. It's actually cringeworthy to hear them mentioned in the same sentence as them sometimes.

 

[Wooly Red]

He might be odious and selfish, but can't say he didn't produce when it mattered this time. A good game from him.

 

[RedRonaldo]

If he wins this tournament with Portugal, does he rise above Messi as the best player of this generation?

No, but he will win the Ballon D'or this year, so that will be 4 vs Messi 5, and finally succeed in something to which Messi has failed. And most likely, the Messi vs Ronaldo debate will continue.

 

[Beej]

I read an article a few weeks ago about Messi vs. Cristiano comparing their international careers. The article gave a slight edge to Messi for his accomplishments. Now I think you'd have to give the edge to Ronaldo.

His goal today reminded me of this famous goal by Pele:

Surely Portugal would have to win in the final first.

 

[Rossa]

What a load of rubbish. Worked hard for the team? So has the rest of the Portugal squad.(Not to add, while players like Pepe, Sanches and Nani have been good for the majority of the tournament whilst also working hard) Goals and assists isn't the be all and end all to a player, otherwise Nani would have been remembered by us as one of the best to ever play for United. He could be absolutely dire and still come up with assists/goals, Ronaldo this tournament bar one and a half games is in a similar situation.

He's been great this game and is the second best player in the world, the best in the world of the players available at the European cup, performances like that against Poland is why he hasn't had a "good tournament". He did his best to lose the game, was arguably their worst player.

He did not play a vital goal in the Croatia goal It was all Sanches and Nani. Is missing a one on one with the keeper playing a vital role? If so, that's me damned. I understand you love him and all but Jesus wept it's like all common sense goes out the window when people like certain players.

Amazing how when he scores and assists that's not that important. However, when he misses the chances you highlight them to make an argument how he has been rubbish.

 

[FC Ronaldo]

You're guilty of that which you accuse others of. I find Ronaldo's behaviour at times to be rather tedious, but I don't get why you can't give credit where it's due. I'd say at times his link up play has been good, but his over all play has been below average. He has definitely been decisive, however. Furthermore, did you see the video where he motivates Joao Moutinho to take a pen? The man loves his national team, and yes, has worked hard. He celebrates like he's the only player at times on the field and he sometimes makes decisions that appear selfish, but he's actually quite a good leader I believe. It's actually not dissimilar to Messi's 2014 World Cup. I thought he was terrible for most of that tournament, but credit to the man, he scored 4 important goals when it mattered.

Careful, with sensible posts like this you'll get likes in no time and spend your days fighting off the anti-Ronaldo brigade.

 

[FC Ronaldo]

No, their football will still look better than Moyes' who does have a trophy, or a shield maybe.

This thread gets ugly enough as it is with some people in here. Please, for the love of God, leave that man out of it!

 

[Brwned]

Everyone was praying he would have a shit tournament after the Iceland game. "Ronaldo can't do it on the big stage", blah blah blah.

What can you say about him now? He got them to a final. 3 goals and 3 assists. He turned up when it mattered. That's what seperates the great players from the world class players. Bale is a great player, but he's not a Messi or a Ronaldo or a Suarez. Those guys are elite level. They always turn up when the moment calls for it. You could say Bale is carrying that Wales team... but then again Ronaldo is carrying this Portugal team too.

As much as the English hype up their players, they will never be as good as the likes of Ronaldo or Messi. It's actually cringeworthy to hear them mentioned in the same sentence as them sometimes.

Ronaldo is carrying this Portugal team? You mean in this tournament, or always? He carried them straight out of the World Cup in the group stages just a couple of years ago, in that case. All hail king Ronaldo. Always turning up when the moment calls for it.

Their draw in the last game was completely irrelevant, in reality. It's amazing that it's being painted as Ronaldo saving them at the end. They finished on 3 points. If they'd have lost, they'd still have qualified behind Iceland and Hungary. They sneaked through with Ronaldo having had no meaningful impact.

Since then he has been very decisive though. A really dazzling performance in the final followed up by him retiring on a high would make for a beautiful contrast to Messi wimping out after his loss in the final.

 

[dasty]

Tbh his fanboys are an annoyance. I've seen people(not on this forum) who don't even follow any league or team but claim to be his huge fans(YouTube, you know).

His haters are worse. They chat utter bollocks while thinking they look smart doing so.

Ronaldo is carrying this Portugal team? You mean in this tournament, or always? He carried them straight out of the World Cup in the group stages just a couple of years ago, in that case. All hail king Ronaldo. Always turning up when the moment calls for it. Their draw in the last game was completely irrelevant, in reality. It's amazing that it's being painted as Ronaldo saving them at the end. They finished on 3 points. If they'd have lost, they'd still have qualified behind Iceland and Hungary. They sneaked through with Ronaldo having had no meaningful impact.

Not sure about that. If they lost they would be on 2 points, which is less than every other 3rd placed team in the tournament and thus sending Portugal out of the tournament...

 

[Treble]

Ronaldo is carrying this Portugal team? You mean in this tournament, or always? He carried them straight out of the World Cup in the group stages just a couple of years ago, in that case. All hail king Ronaldo. Always turning up when the moment calls for it.

Their draw in the last game was completely irrelevant, in reality. It's amazing that it's being painted as Ronaldo saving them at the end. They finished on 3 points. If they'd have lost, they'd still have qualified behind Iceland and Hungary. They sneaked through with Ronaldo having had no meaningful impact.

Since then he has been very decisive though. A really dazzling performance in the final followed up by him retiring on a high would make for a beautiful contrast to Messi wimping out after his loss in the final.

That's wrong, obviously. You must have the basic facts right. You are having a mare here. Give up.

 

[Kevin]

Wut? Portugal would have progressed from their group with two points? Surely that's a brain fart @Brwned

 

[B20]

I read an article a few weeks ago about Messi vs. Cristiano comparing their international careers. The article gave a slight edge to Messi for his accomplishments. Now I think you'd have to give the edge to Ronaldo.

Getting to the final of an international tournament doesn't set him apart from Messi in any way.

But that whole discussion is flawed. When you see them play, it is clear who is better. Counting goal averages, who made it to which final, etc doesn't change any of that.

 

[B20]

Have to say, I think that was a consummate striker's performance from Ronaldo.

Absolutely sumptuous header.

Bit lucky with nanis goal, but I remember thinking when the ball landed to him 'whoa, what is he doing in that zone?' lovely bit of intelligent opportunism to swing the luck your way.

Van Basten would have been proud of such a performance.

 

[arnie_ni]

Have to say, I think that was a consummate striker's performance from Ronaldo.

Absolutely sumptuous header.

Bit lucky with nanis goal, but I remember thinking when the ball landed to him 'whoa, what is he doing in that zone?' lovely bit of intelligent opportunism to swing the luck your way.

Van Basten would have been proud of such a performance.

When the ball was put into the box you see him halt his run snd reverse to that exact area knowing it's the only place the defender could head the ball. Smart play, that movement more so that the shot was the reason for the goal

 

[Raees]

His header is his most GOAT attribute. . phenomenal and in clutch situations his header always comes to the fore even if the rest of his game is not great.

Really proud of him, it's not easy for a player in clear physical decline to be doing what he's doing. . its an amazing achievement in all honesty. Yes he was poor first few games but overall I think he's had a really good tournament.

 

[Womp]

Amazing how when he scores and assists that's not that important. However, when he misses the chances you highlight them to make an argument how he has been rubbish.

Amazing how you completely miss the whole point of my post, did you even read my posts? I've mentioned several times he played well in the second half against Hungary and today, decisive, immense, whatever adjective you want to give it, not what I'm arguing.

I say he hasn't had a good tournament because believe it or not there is more than one and a half games in the competition. For all the decisive moments he had, he also had a lot of moments that weren't as positive that could have proved decisive.

If you think that simply statistics are enough to claim someone has had a good tournament then there's not much for me to say. Sanches' statistics aren't as good but he's been Portugal's best player this tournament.

Apart from the game against Hungary and today he has barely been a factor all tournament. That doesn't symbolise a good tournament IMO, certainly not for the worlds second best player.

Btw, I'm not a Ronaldo hater in the slightest, I just ain't oblivious to how he plays.

 

[Rossa]

What surprises me is how he never uses his pace anymore. He shows from time to time that he is just as fast now as he was three or four years ago, but he hardly ever runs at defenders. There were a couple of times yesterday where I think he could simply outrun Williams, yet he chose to play it safe. He pulled his hammy before the CL final and was clearly carrying an injury there - perhaps he is still feeling that a little bit?

 

[VanGaalEra]

Ronaldo is carrying this Portugal team? You mean in this tournament, or always? He carried them straight out of the World Cup in the group stages just a couple of years ago, in that case. All hail king Ronaldo. Always turning up when the moment calls for it.

Their draw in the last game was completely irrelevant, in reality. It's amazing that it's being painted as Ronaldo saving them at the end. They finished on 3 points. If they'd have lost, they'd still have qualified behind Iceland and Hungary. They sneaked through with Ronaldo having had no meaningful impact.

Since then he has been very decisive though. A really dazzling performance in the final followed up by him retiring on a high would make for a beautiful contrast to Messi wimping out after his loss in the final.

They'd have been eliminated with two points. Should have kept this for your bale Ronaldo jinx thread

 

[Rossa]

Amazing how you completely miss the whole point of my post, did you even read my posts? I've mentioned several times he played well in the second half against Hungary and today, decisive, immense, whatever adjective you want to give it, not what I'm arguing.

I say he hasn't had a good tournament because believe it or not there is more than one and a half games in the competition. For all the decisive moments he had, he also had a lot of moments that weren't as positive that could have proved decisive.

If you think that simply statistics are enough to claim someone has had a good tournament then there's not much for me to say. Sanches' statistics aren't as good but he's been Portugal's best player this tournament.

Apart from the game against Hungary and today he has barely been a factor all tournament. That doesn't symbolise a good tournament IMO, certainly not for the worlds second best player.

Btw, I'm not a Ronaldo hater in the slightest, I just ain't oblivious to how he plays.

I think he has played just fine, but not up to his best - although he was great yesterday. He has, as you also point out, come to a lot of chances, but he hasn't put them away. His job as a striker is not to help in the build-up from his own box. He doesn't play as a LW for Portugal. What he does is provide excellent link-up play on the oppsition half, good, albeit conservative at times, short passing game and very clever play inside and around the box. If he had been up to his normal standards, he would have had two or three more goals; therefore, considering his role in the team he contributes his share by creating quite a few chances and getting on the end of them in a team that has been set up very conservatively without a lot of creativity.

For what it's worth, I think Nani has been the best player - he creates the most and is a constant threat. Sanchez, although exciting with his energy, does a lot of work that results in nothing - but maybe that is your definition of a great perfomance - what is noticable at all times?

 

[Striker10]

It's a shame for Portugal that this Portuguese team is pretty average. They lack in so many areas so it's a wonder they've got to the final. I think their only chance to win is to see much more of Ronaldo in the build up. He's their best player but there have been times - where you think he's going to explode. For me he's the best header of the ball in world football. But I suspect it won't be enough in the final. Ronaldo is not involved enough and I imagine he will put too much pressure on himself to perform. The quality in the squad baring a player here and there (Nani's shown he's not finished...), is very bad I think. Congratulations Germany

 

[Brwned]

They'd have been eliminated with two points. Should have kept this for your bale Ronaldo jinx thread

Ah, right you are! Forgot about all those complexities. Hard to believe they finished on the same number of points as Albania in the end!

 

[Treble]

It's a shame for Portugal that this Portuguese team is pretty average. They lack in so many areas so it's a wonder they've got to the final. I think their only chance to win is to see much more of Ronaldo in the build up. He's their best player but there have been times - where you think he's going to explode. For me he's the best header of the ball in world football. But I suspect it won't be enough in the final. Ronaldo is not involved enough and I imagine he will put too much pressure on himself to perform. The quality in the squad baring a player here and there (Nani's shown he's not finished...), is very bad I think. Congratulations Germany

Actually, they have very good midfielders and Pepe has been great, one of the best defenders in the tournament. They are a bit unlucky though because A. Gomes has suffeerd from injuries and Moutinho hasn't been in good form. Still, they have good options in midfield. If Pepe plays in the final, they stand a chance to win it. Without Pepe it would be nearly impossible though.

 

[Kevin]

Ah, right you are! Forgot about all those complexities. Hard to believe they finished on the same number of points as Albania in the end!

So we can agree: amazing two goals from Ronaldo to keep them in it. Key moment performer throughout this tournament, if he wins the final he shat on Messi.

 

[VanGaalEra]

Ah, right you are! Forgot about all those complexities. Hard to believe they finished on the same number of points as Albania in the end!

The format will have to be changed IMO, too many sides were playing for draws and the 3rd placed spot. The group games were rather tedious.

 

[Treble]

So we can agree: amazing two goals from Ronaldo to keep them in it. Key moment performer throughout this tournament, if he wins the final he shat on Messi.

And an excellent assist for Nani's goal too. Disagree about the Messi bit though.

 

[VanGaalEra]

I think he has played just fine, but not up to his best - although he was great yesterday. He has, as you also point out, come to a lot of chances, but he hasn't put them away. His job as a striker is not to help in the build-up from his own box. He doesn't play as a LW for Portugal. What he does is provide excellent link-up play on the oppsition half, good, albeit conservative at times, short passing game and very clever play inside and around the box. If he had been up to his normal standards, he would have had two or three more goals; therefore, considering his role in the team he contributes his share by creating quite a few chances and getting on the end of them in a team that has been set up very conservatively without a lot of creativity.

For what it's worth, I think Nani has been the best player - he creates the most and is a constant threat. Sanchez, although exciting with his energy, does a lot of work that results in nothing - but maybe that is your definition of a great perfomance - what is noticable at all times?

IMO, Pepe has been brilliant for Portugal. He'll need to be back for the final for them to stand a chance against one of the two powerhouses.

 

[Kevin]

And an excellent assist for Nani's goal too. Disagree about the Messi bit though.

He shat on Messi: he won a big tournament with his country, something which Messi was desperate to do and now never will. He's done something Messi hasn't.

 

[VanGaalEra]

He shat on Messi: he won a big tournament with his country, something which Messi was desperate to do and now never will. He's done something Messi hasn't.

This thread will explode either way on Sunday night. It's just starting to simmer.

I hope he wins it, he than has a legitimate and very strong claim to be the greatest player of this generation and top 5 all time.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Ah, right you are! Forgot about all those complexities. Hard to believe they finished on the same number of points as Albania in the end!

I tend to agree with Mourinho, in that you can't read too much into 'short tournaments' regarding players. Case in point is Portugal reaching the final with a record of D,D,D,D,D,W is it?

I love Ronaldo but Messi is better for me. Ronaldo winning this tournament won't change that.

 

[Kevin]

To summarize:

-Ronaldo has had three assists and three goals so far in the euros.

-He assisted and scored two good goals in the draw vs Iceland to prevent elimination in the group stages.

-His saved shot in extra time rebounded and became a tap in for his teammate and they progressed yet again.

-He scored the required penalty after extra time vs Poland.

-He scored a great header in a nothing match up to that point and with luck he assisted Nani to end the game within a space of three minutes.

He has passed that bottle-o-meter test to say the very least.

 

[Rossa]

IMO, Pepe has been brilliant for Portugal. He'll need to be back for the final for them to stand a chance against one of the two powerhouses.

Pepe is a very good defender - such a shame about his antics on the field.