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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?

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cyberman said:
Kroos has scored 3 goals for you in two seasons.
Modric has 7 goals in 4 season at Madrid.
Ramos has more career goals than Iniesta.
Terry has more career goals than Iniesta and Busquests combined.
If you want a goal threat, somebody to supplement the attacker then these players are not for you.
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This I agree with.


Playing behind a dominant front 3 that protect your flaws?
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Our front 3 don't defend much, so all of our 3 midfielders have to constantly track runners and be very careful to double up on the wing so Marcelo or Caravjal don't end up in 1 on 2 situations. There's games where we look awful against below average teams because of our front 3 not defending, not because the other 7 are shit. If you call that "protecting the flaws" of a midfielder playing in that setup, then I can't help you.

What I call "protecting the flaw" is playing as a midfielder in a (again) midfield heavy (3-5-2) Juventus team, who play in a league that is well below their level. That is a definition of "protecting a flaw".


There are different types of midfielders for different modes of play.
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This I agree with, but United don't primarily need a goal threat from midfield. I think you need a midfield first.
 
macheda14 said:
Apart from you know the systematic opression of people of colour stunting social mobility and ensuring that the majority are only afforded the opportunity to work menial jobs and live in lower quality housing districts.
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As I said, I have never seen such a case in real life. You hear people who probably haven't ever been in Italy talking about the racism in Italy, but I have yet to see it.
 
Whilst breaking the world record no doubt turns on Woodward - there must have been a lot of sex in cupboards all across Adidas HQ today!

Getting their highest profile young client to their flagship team has to be a massive boost for them.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Alexis? Why would Arsenal sell them to us when we will clearly be a title threat, and why would he leave CL football to come here? Kante is great, but doesn't solve our midfield issue, merely improves upon destroyers like Fellaini. Once Pogba starts banging in those long range volleys like Scholesy, I'd imagine quite a few will start changing their tune here.
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I assume he was meaning Renato Sanches
 
Raees said:
Carrick Pogba
Rooney
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Is probably the worst United midfield in the past 30 years.
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Schneiderlin
Pogba - Herrera

Carrick
Bastian - Pereira

Blind
Rooney - TFM

+ Fellaini & Mata.

Not the worst we've had at all.
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Raees said:
I have no doubt that we will but hopefully only in very limited circumstances, when we are playing a very weak team or we are winning comfortably.
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It's come from Mourinho's own mouth that the Rooney midfield experiment is over, so I don't expect him to every play him there, even against weaker opposition. Its not like we're going to be short of midfield alternatives anyway.
 
Kaos said:
All that's irrelevant because we're never going to see those three in a midfield.
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The likelihood is that Pogba and Rooney would start (albeit in a 4-2-3-1) with one of our midfielders alongside Pogba. I think he could be a phenomenal signing for us but I'm not sure Pogba is going to be at his best playing deeper, he seems at his best as the most advanced of a 3 man midfield. Add to that the fact that Rooney is way past his best and all of our other midfielders are either past it or a bit 2nd rate and the balance of it still doesn't look right even if it is significantly better than some of the late Ferguson era midfields.
 
Sir A1ex said:
Fair enough, but it's easily solved. We just drop Pogba and bring in Fellaini / Schneiderlin. Then we have last season's midfield, which you have defined as being better.
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Fellaini and Schneiderlin are probably better centre-mids than Pogba. The lad really isn't a centre-mid, he is more gifted than them but as of right now.. he is no centre midfielder. He doesn't have the work rate to play there.

Play him where Rooney is and you'll get more out of him. He still needs to learn how to play CM.
 
as-95 said:
I got quoted over 10 times so I won't multi quote all of you, but my comment was more focused on us being able to buy 'Porsche's' for 120 million instead of the so called Mondeo's that the tweeter/poster suggested we would be forced to buy.

Mahrez is the current player of the season and wouldn't cost any more than 40m.

Reports suggest that City are close to Bonucci for 50m. We could gatecrash the transfer and offer higher wages to him. Thats 90 million for 2 world class players with 30million left over.

As some posters have argued, we wouldn't get Kroos for 30m and its a valid point. My argument was mainly regarding the fact that alternatives for Pogba would still be top quality.

For the posters that are overly concerned about prices, we are linked to Matuidi and could sign him for 30million. He's no Kroos or Pogba, but along with Mahrez and Bonucci, I believe that our squad would be stronger and we would be getting more 'bang for the buck' than just Pogba.

These are all realistic alternatives and are linked to moves away from their respective clubs as we speak.

In fact, goong back to the original analogy, I daresay that Mahrez and Bonucci would resemble Ferrari's themselves along with Matuidi as a Mercedes.
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Now this is more understandable but you also got to appreciate that, like we have done with Pogba, City have committed a lot of man hours on the deal and have established a rapport with the player and his agent so it might not be that easy. Plus take a look at the level and hype surrounding players like Pogba, how difficult it is to sign them once they sign for big clubs and compare that to players like Mahrez, who though very good, aren't as rare or difficult to sign as Pogba/Modric/Muller, by offering this unheard of figure we are pricing out competitors to ensure that we have in our squad one of these highly sought after players.
 
peridigm said:
Anyone think we'll play with one DM and use Pogba and another advanced midfielder instead of playing 4231? I think playing Pogba deep with Rooney as a #10 will kill our attack. I'd rather see us play Carrick or Schneiderlin behind Pogba and Herrera.
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          Schneiderlin
     Pogba - Schweinsteiger
Mkhitaryan - Zlatan - Martial
As a front 6 it would at least compete for the league. Still think, on paper, the City front 6 are a touch better. Replace Carrick for Schneider as you wish, or swap Schnieder for Schwiner.
 
Raees said:
Fellaini and Schneiderlin are probably better centre-mids than Pogba. The lad really isn't a centre-mid, he is more gifted than them but as of right now.. he is no centre midfielder. He doesn't have the work rate to play there.

Play him where Rooney is and you'll get more out of him. He still needs to learn how to play CM.
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:lol: wut?
 
Sir A1ex said:
Madrid aren't the only team who can win the Champions League. And it's chicken and egg - players reputations are made by winning trophies... before they win them they aren't seen as players of that calibre. Unless you're going to totally buy in a team of XI Galacticos, then you need players to rise to themselves to that level and make themselves legends. So that's what I look for more - whether a player might have that in them, and Smalling I believe is capable.
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Mate, every top team has better players than those I mentioned in their positions. Look at Barca, Real, Bayern or even Atletico, they are miles better.

I think that with this signing we are very good and could win the league, but talks about winning UCL are very premature. Our defense at the moment is absolutely atrocious to even suggest that. If Smalling improves, Bailey does well, Shaw continues when he left before the injury and we get a right back/Darmian improves, that is something else, but so far we are far from a title winning UCL.
 
Kaos said:
It's come from Mourinho's own mouth that the Rooney midfield experiment is over, so I don't expect him to every play him there, even against weaker opposition. Its not like we're going to be short of midfield alternatives anyway.
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He said Rooney would play as a 10. 10 is basically an attacking midfielder, so yes it is semantics and he isn't a 'midfielder' but when you are posting Carrick and Pogba with Rooney in front, that can be interpreted as 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1.

Either way those three would be responsible for running the central attacking areas of the game.
 
AbusementPark said:
I assume he was meaning Renato Sanches
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RDCR07 said:
Renato Sanches not Alexis Sanchez.
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I'd thought about that, always does my head in when people spell it with a Z. Anyways, we will porbably never know the exact details, but i've always believed that he chose Bayern. They are just as big as us if not bigger, always go far in the CL, and we still had LVG at the time IIRC, jose's project was not yet known. If Bayern were interested in Pogba and could afford him i would've been worried too.
 
Ramshock said:
At football matches? Im talking about football fans. Im not Rooney btw chill.
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it can be quite frustrating to save thousands upon thousands of immigrants whom Europe (including the UK) expect silver treatment for but no one seem to want to share. I bet warmongers prefer the leave a mess in Iraq, Afghanistan and most of Africa really and then leave the consequences for other to handle.
 
Raees said:
He said Rooney would play as a 10. 10 is basically an attacking midfielder, so yes it is semantics and he isn't a 'midfielder' but when you are posting Carrick and Pogba with Rooney in front, that can be interpreted as 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1.

Either way those three would be responsible for running the central attacking areas of the game.
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From that lineup you posted I assumed you were shaping a midfield 3, in a 4231 it would be a completely different setup.
 
He's not signed yet !! Sorry to be a Debbie downer, but we will look right pricks if it falls through!!
#countchickens
 
So, in terms of trophies, what would Pogba have to help us win for his detractors to say he was worth the transfer fee paid?
 
Riz said:
Funnily enough that was a very good midfield pairing, albeit for 6 games or so.
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They were amazing for them 6 games. It was possibly our greatest midfield performance for the longest time and then it all went tits up
 
Ramshock said:
:lol: wut?
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Playing in midfield isn't just about technical quality and finding a pass. Pogba in terms of ability could be the greatest CM who ever lived. If anything the lad is very similar to Didi in the way he passes, dribbles etc.

What makes one a CM and the other not, is te absence of work rate in the middle, the ability to carry the actions of a centre mid, time and time again for a 90 minute game. Pogba still hasn't learnt this yet and as we saw for France, he was completely invisible when deployed in a deeper role.

Not saying it is impossible for him to be a CM, just saying he is very underdeveloped in this role. Mourinho is bringing him in to be his Lampard, not his Modric.. he isn't that player yet.
 
Revan said:
As I said, I have never seen such a case in real life. You hear people who probably haven't ever been in Italy talking about the racism in Italy, but I have yet to see it.
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I was more alluding t the fact that there is a difference between racism and racial abuse. Racism is a structural issue that oppresses people of colour through lack of opportunity or equal representation, a system that is commonplace in all majority white countries. Whilst racial abuse is a small example of said disparity experienced by people of colour. To generalise and say there is more racism in Italy than England is unfair, but there are far more reported cases of racial abuse in football matches in Italy than England that inform such a generalisation. However this may be due to a lack of reporting in England.
However, I'm quite amazed that you haven't seen one instance in your three years, but that could be due to there being a smaller proportional population of people of colour in Italy than in England. The few times I've been to Italy I've noticed a general lack of people of colour compared to say London, thereby a lesser chance of seeing instances of racial abuse. This may be why they seem to be confined to football crowds, some sections of which (certain ultra groups) have links to facism. Again it is perhaps the Italian ultra groups that inform the stereotype of Italian racism.
 
Kaos said:
From that lineup you posted I assumed you were shaping a midfield 3, in a 4231 it would be a completely different setup.
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It wouldn't though.

Mkhi Carrick Pogba Martial
Rooney
Zlatan

Carrick Pogba
Mkhi Rooney Martial
Zlatan

Carrick Pogba
Rooney
Mkhi Zlatan Martial
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The bottom line is that Carrick and Pogba would be a disaster as a pairing no matter what the formation. Then you have the added fact that having Rooney in front of them, will blunt our attacking threat and he gives the ball away alot which would place our weak midfield under even greater threat. It is a recipe for disaster.

Anderson and Cleverly might have been shit, but when on form.. they were young, had some energy about them and it was balanced. Their problem was that Anderson can't handle more than 5 games and that they were both at the end of the day, rather shit.
 
Ødegaard said:
Schneiderlin
Pogba - Herrera

Carrick
Bastian - Pereira

Blind
Rooney - TFM

+ Fellaini & Mata.

Not the worst we've had at all.
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The poster I quoted was on about the starting XI only and that particular trio. FWIW, the Schneiderlin, Herrera, Pogba trio.. I think that is a very balanced midfield. Is it a top top quality midfield? Not sure, but it is a damn good one and a step in the right direction to injecting some energy back into our games.
 
People are forgetting Bailly in all of this when criticising our midfield.
Imo he was bought to allow us to push right up to the midfield with a high line and negate a lot of the concerns that are expressed on here.
Our defensive mid will never be isolated nor will it lack workrate as a unit
 
Holding MF​
Schneiderlin Pogba​

I think that is our best bet. Schneiderlin and Pogba being given a box to box role, with the former handed more defensive minded instructions and the latter more attacking.

Not totally convinced by an ageing Carrick starting at DM but might work with 2 physical, athletic players in front of him.

Would like to see TFM and Blind being given chances at holding position. Can also switch Herrera with Schneiderlin, and Mata with Pogba.
 
Kaos said:
I think Mourinho will go with a 4-3-3 with Pogba being given a free role within that middle 3 and a Schneidelerlin type doing most of the cleaning up.
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I think this makes the most sense because we need Carrick's passing and play-making abilities but he's legs have gone so he can't be relied on to hold the midfield without help plus we need Pogba's skills further forward. So Schneiderlin comes in to give what Carrick can't give us anymore and what we don't want to burden Pogba with yet.
 
JustAFan said:
Backing off the "big stain" and "huge shadow" comments now are you?

It's at most a minor negative, though who knows had we kept him, it might be us he is looking to leave right now.
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Some would argue the bigger negative is appointing Moyes.
 
unitedbhoy said:
Holding MF​
Schneiderlin Pogba​

I think that is our best bet. Schneiderlin and Pogba being given a box to box role, with the former handed more defensive minded instructions and the latter more attacking.

Not totally convinced by an ageing Carrick starting at DM but might work with 2 physical, athletic players in front of him.

Would like to see TFM and Blind being given chances at holding position. Can also switch Herrera with Schneiderlin, and Mata with Pogba.
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yeah excpect good things from Morgan this season
 
Raees said:
Fellaini and Schneiderlin are probably better centre-mids than Pogba. The lad really isn't a centre-mid, he is more gifted than them but as of right now.. he is no centre midfielder. He doesn't have the work rate to play there.

Play him where Rooney is and you'll get more out of him. He still needs to learn how to play CM.
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and where exactly does Rooney play?
 
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