Lampard wasnt signed by Jose and had a great debut chelsea season under Ranieri
Sneijder was a real madrid player before Jose signed him
I would give him some credit for essien
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Sneijder was a real madrid player before Jose signed him
I would give him some credit for essien
they are basically throwing in the towel.
Odd thing to say, but do you have any theory as to why, if you really think it's true? Do you admit he's improved centre backs, keepers, full backs, wingers and strikers? Just not midfielders? What does that say about him exactly as a coach?
Sneijder and Lampard both turned into Ballon'd or nominees under Mourinho.
Do Madrid ever do silent transfers of this magnitude? When they went for Ronaldo, Bale, James, Kaka and even their pursuit of De Gea, it was all over the papers. They like to make a huge fuss of things and get it out there that they're signing this big name.
Plus lets be fair, they're up against United and after the whole De Gea incident and the backwards and forwards accusations over who's to blame, Real would most definitely want to get one over on us. I bet they'd have it known to everyone they were back in for Pogba and would do whatever it took to secure him. Real just don't do big transfers on the silent do they?
Plus lets be fair, they're up against United and after the whole De Gea incident and the backwards and forwards accusations over who's to blame, Real would most definitely want to get one over on us. I bet they'd have it known to everyone they were back in for Pogba and would do whatever it took to secure him. Real just don't do big transfers on the silent do they?
Transfers are not complicated. Not this complicated and detailed anyway. Its the plethora of mind-numbing, imaginary stories peddled by BS merchants in media (often aided by some parties involved in transfer) two weeks before and after the day something concrete happens that make the transfer duration seem like an eternity and the transfer process like rocket science. Agents, Club directors, Players are all at the mercy of these articles for they chose anyone to be the villain or the hero to justify their own narrative. For this one they went with Riola demanding money rather than Woodward being incompetent or unwilling to play two million pounds more to seal the deal. The positive side is it saves our media-trusting fans a lot of Woodward bashing. Poor Riola though
.5:03 in Miami. That's still night time unless you're a binman.
both were headed that way with or without Jose
Ranieri deserves huge credit for Lampard
Sneijder had just been named in the team of the tournament in Euro 2008 and was unfortunate to be dumped by Real Madrid
The original comment was that Mourinho hadn't made any midfielder better, had nothing to do with signing midfielders. I definitely disagree. Lampard and Sneijder definitely became better under Mourinho. Hell, even Makelele became the very influential player he was under Mourinho. Then going back, players like Deco. Lots of midfielders have become better under Mourinho.
To be honest, I'm struggling to think of many midfielders who became worse under him.
Makelele was one of Reals most important players. It was a disgrace he was soldAy, can't think of many. Oscar maybe? Then again, maybe he never really was very good.
Busquets joined Barca when he was 17, Puyol when he 17, Pedro when he was 17. You consider then as graduated or formed at famed La Masia but Pogba who joined United when he was 16 is not ManUtd academy player. Weird logic.
What I'm lost on - why has raiola gone to Miami to speak to Pogba if the hold up is to do with his fees with Man Utd?
Talk about derailing a thread
I didn't claim Busquets is a cantera product, just that Pep made him the player he is - Puyol & him are Catalan and play the Barcelona way.
Anyway, we'll see if RM are interested in Pogba for real in the coming days because I suspect the player would prefer that move too - but just a hunch
This one is going to drag out quite a bit, isn't it?
Absolutely mental. Kindly cut-out this Chicken Licken hysterical nonsense. You have zero basis to make such assertions and and your paranoia is doing nothing but spoiling the enjoyment of others.
Jose has improved midfielders and other positions. We would just have to ask the players and they would say yes. A simple way to look at it. There's truths and then there are things we think. It would be natural for players that have been managed by him - midfielders in this case - would say they have improved and who are we to say they're lying? Even if it's only improving their mentality in some instances.
I think we have to get pogba this time whatever the cost...
if we look at midfield we buy the last 3 year (fellaini, depay, mata, schneiderlin, herrera, schweni) have cost us more than 120 million pounds and all of them are flop so far... buy pogba for 120 million and don't buy any midfield for the next 5 year..
we also need to get rid of that surplus midfielder to cut our wage for pogba so I hope at least 3 of them is gone now or next season...
if we look at midfield we buy the last 3 year (fellaini, depay, mata, schneiderlin, herrera, schweni) have cost us more than 120 million pounds and all of them are flop so far... buy pogba for 120 million and don't buy any midfield for the next 5 year..
we also need to get rid of that surplus midfielder to cut our wage for pogba so I hope at least 3 of them is gone now or next season...
Doubt it, will be over by Monday I reckon
If woodward is supposed to be in China for the tour on Monday, i'd expect at least a decisive update from Di Marzio et al. today.
It BS, Di Marzio is a fraud and just posts click bait every night around 10 and people lap it up.
Got Gomes embarrassingly wrong.
Why would an agent need to fly to see a his client, it's laughable. Sign contract? Yeah sure, Pogba would fly to the UK for that.
Discuss details? Would just use the phone.
1st round k.o. right there...
For all we know they're just meeting up to enjoy each others company or I suppose celebrate the deal. We have no clue.
Mata is more an attacker, I'd say, but I get your point...all those players have been average/poor.
Bastian hardly ever plays a full game. Morgan was decent in some games but anonymous in most.
Fellaini had his uses (Plan B) and was good for that.
Herrera has been a bench warmer most of the time, so in LVG's opinion was not good enough.
But I do agree that after spending so much money, it seems like we have ended up with players who are not good enough to feature in a title winning team, either due to injury or just not being good enough.
Raiola was the agent for Nedved too? Bloody hell he's a worm.
There isn't a team in England that wouldn't be ruined if we removed all the players who would rather be at Madrid or Barca. Such is life.
Sounds more on than off from what i am reading. All very similar to Zlatan, have patience.
The reports I read said Mkhitaryan was desperate to sign. Plus nobody forced Di Maria he came for the cash (that's the reason behind most things in life). Pogba you're speculating as we don't know where he wants to go.
Agree with this, journalists in general know feck all unless being briefed by clubs/agents.
It doesn't make sense for him to fly around the world to speak to Pogba, we have things called telephones and computers with cameras which can connect people instantly.
Juv really are colossus feck squabbling over the fee.
I know people are saying we should just pay it ourselves or up the bid so it is covered, but its principle, the fee was agreed, Juv knew they had to pay the fee. We would look incredibly weak, we already get walked over enough in negotiations.
I know people are saying we should just pay it ourselves or up the bid so it is covered, but its principle, the fee was agreed, Juv knew they had to pay the fee. We would look incredibly weak, we already get walked over enough in negotiations.
If Real Madrid baulked at the initial price why would they get involved after we become irritated by excessive demands from Juventus? makes no sense whatsoever.
At this stage, I really can't see any other outcome than him signing for us.
At this stage, I really can't see any other outcome than him signing for us.
So Juve promised Raiola 20% of any transfer fee that they recieved so that he would persuade Pogba to sign for them, and now they've decided to go back on their word? If that's true then they shouldn't be surprised if agents act like arseholes to them from now on.
I honestly had no idea how emotionally scarred the members of this board were until now. The fear and worry about Real off the back of a few tweets is unbelievable.
Yep thats exactly what I meant....
I'm saying Real have done it twice with us and despite the fees involved in bringing him in, we didn't, but instead offered them a more than generous transfer fee. We could have been cnuts, but weren't. The stumbling block seems to be their agreement with the agent which, judging by reports, they now insist we should be paying. That is taking the piss.
Re Evra- Missed the point again. I had little issue with the sale, but we sold them a player who had a lot of football left in him for 3m. He was the starter at LB for France this summer. You obviously didn't read Devilish's post, but for a all Juve's talk of being a supposed big club, they are penny pinching cnuts which seems to be showing again.
It would almost certainly rule out a contract renewal in the very least.
Juventus are so bitter