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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?

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Eddy_JukeZ said:
Those reports are nonsensical.

Raiola can't force Pogba to move to United.

He wants to return too.
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If a player wants to move to one club - and absolutely not to another club - sure, then the agent probably can't sway him. But if an agent and a player has a close relationship and the player doesn't have mind going to either club, do anyone seriously believe the agent can't tip the scale in the direction he wants to ? Of course he can!

In theory he could willingly work out a better deal with one club than with another club. If Raiola wanted Pogba to go to United (and I am not saying he favours any club) - he could speak to Real and get a promise of £150.000 a week - with Real saying that is max. Then he can speak to United and say Real will go to United - but if you offer £200.000 a week I can sell it to my player. Then he goes to the player saying that United want you more and they are willing to offer much more money. Why would the player even doubt that ?

Having said that - if Pogba REALLY wants Real and not United - it probably wouldn't mind.
 
I've never seen him publically say Madrid is his dream move or he wants to go there so I don't see the problem, it's just reports from the typical outlets you'd expect to say that sort of thing. De Gea of course wanted to go there and look at his performances for us, it would be stupid to reject Pogba even if he wanted to go somewhere else.
 
crossy1686 said:
Madrid aren't willing to spend the kind of money United are for Pogba, they're already overstocked in his position. Plus, after snatching Morata back I'm sure Juventus are reluctant to give them a friendly price.

Perez and Zidane want Pogba, that's probably true. If the player really wanted that move he could just say no to United and wait until the Madrid move materialises. It's not like he's without a club and needs the move.
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Like I said it depends if they wanted to go all out for him. Do not under estimate player power theses days. If Utd offered 100m and Real offered 80m, but the player was adamant that Real were his choice, then Juventus can either keep an unhappy player or sell for the lower fee. I am just speculating. As are all the people on here who say 'done deal' None of us know at what stage the negotiations are
 
crossy1686 said:
Getting really tired of people panicking about Madrid in this thread.

All the quotes doing the rounds about him apparently preferring Madird over United come from media outlets like Marca and are Perez's mouthpiece. Remember, this is a newspaper that once photoshopped a whole crowd in red football shirts to white ones, just to save face in a friendly.

If Pogba really wanted to go to Madrid then he would do. Simple as that.
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Every panicked muppet in this thread need to stay calm. Pogba is done dealio. It just needs to be played out to the end. As it looks we have a third offer of 120m EUR. This will push it over the line.

Jonas Giæver @CheGiaevara
Matteo Moretto (from Sky Italia on Cadena COPE tonight): "United's latest offer for Pogba is €120m. He is definitely leaving."

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Do you see what odds Real has? Same as Juve. Don't worry.
 
sokol11 said:
Every panicked muppet in this thread need to stay calm. Pogba is done dealio. It just needs to be played out to the end. As it looks we have a third offer of 120m EUR. This will push it over the line.

Jonas Giæver @CheGiaevara
Matteo Moretto (from Sky Italia on Cadena COPE tonight): "United's latest offer for Pogba is €120m. He is definitely leaving."

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Do you see what odds Real has? Same as Juve. Don't worry.
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Bookmakers' odds only ever really reflect the movement of money as the public speculates. The reason people lose money is because they allow perception to stand as fact, and the general public is always less clued up than an insider. I think this deal is done too, but not because of the bookies. They had Vidal to United at a very low price as well.
 
Phil Jones 79 said:
Like I said it depends if they wanted to go all out for him. Do not under estimate player power theses days. If Utd offered 100m and Real offered 80m, but the player was adamant that Real were his choice, then Juventus can either keep an unhappy player or sell for the lower fee. I am just speculating. As are all the people on here who say 'done deal' None of us know at what stage the negotiations are
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I think Raiola wouldn't want the transfer fee to be lowered because he has a 20% cut in the fee. Since that is going to be shared between Raiola and Pogba, there is no way that Pogba would force his way to Madrid by making Juventus accept a lower fee.
 
I suspect that Pogba would probably have preferred to go to Madrid in an ideal world (the weather, Champions League, etc) but they've been priced out of the deal at this point unless they can offload someone like James.

However, I'm also sure that Pogba is happy to move to us, he has roots over here and family and the money will smooth things over! I also wouldn't be surprised if Raoila has sold this as a kind of "stepping stone" move - he can point to Ronaldo as an example.
 
I searched for the video and only sequel and prequel interview vids, could you point me in the direction of the actual work out vids? Thank you

AbusementPark said:
Watch a documentary on youtube called I want to look like that guy. It shows what can be achieved in 6 months with dedication and no performance enhancing drugs, plus its a pretty good watch.
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ottosec said:
This guy was saying a few days ago that Pogba will 100% sign in the weekend. :lol:
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Err, no he didn't. It's this sort of bullshit accusation which permeates and eventually becomes truth in people's heads when deciding who is reliable and who isn't.

On the 15th he said he expected it to be done within a week and a half, which is roughly about 10/11 days. That was 10 days ago. We're about on that timeline, especially if you take Sundays out of the equation as transfers are rarely announced then.

On the 22nd he said both "within a couple of days" and "within a few days", obviously he's not going to know the specific timetable, he's just outlining that it'd be done on this sort of schedule instead of being August or later.

Everything points to this being true and the deal being imminent. He is not in control of when the deal will finally be done or whether there are delays.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
I suspect that Pogba would probably have preferred to go to Madrid in an ideal world (the weather, Champions League, etc) but they've been priced out of the deal at this point unless they can offload someone like James.

However, I'm also sure that Pogba is happy to move to us, he has roots over here and family and the money will smooth things over! I also wouldn't be surprised if Raoila has sold this as a kind of "stepping stone" move - he can point to Ronaldo as an example.
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I don't think it's hard to sell United to a player and Pogba is not Ronaldo.. He'd happily play for Barca.. It's not his dream to play for Real.
 
He's as good as ours. Although if the cnut is just going to spend half his time on holiday I don't want him.
 
Think we'll end up paying what Juve asks. Problem is, there are no midfielders close to Pogba's level whom we can realistically sign. We're not going to let an extra 10mil stop us from what would be an ideal summer in terms of transfers and preparation.

I just hope we build our squad properly (hopefully with the youngsters coming through) to the point where won't be held to ransom again.
 
fatboy said:
Think we'll end up paying what Juve asks. Problem is, there are no midfielders close to Pogba's level whom we can realistically sign. We're not going to let an extra 10mil stop us from what would be an ideal summer in terms of transfers and preparation.

I just hope we build our squad properly (hopefully with the youngsters coming through) to the point where won't be held to ransom again.
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With the amount of money we have wasted in recent years, spending 10m more on Pogba wouldn't stop us. I mean what could be worse than paying higher than the release clause to sign Fellaini.
 
WPMUFC said:
The quotes of a man that know negotiations are at the end of the road.

Didn't someone post an allegri quote a few days back highlighting how far his comments have changed on pogba's future since the bids went in?
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Yes, Allegri mentioned something about this week.
 
@SirAF @Gazza Our discussion yesterday regarding the marketability of Pogba and how we'll profit from it intrigued me a little. I had a little time last night and brushed through the first few pages of our financial report from last year to delve a little deeper into it.

I guess we can discount the matchday and the broadcast revenue streams. We have had one of the highest match day attendances in the PL for years and Pogba's swag won't make people buy extra prawn sandwiches. The Broadcast revenue is also fixed. Pogba can help us get into the CL and increase it for the year 2017-2018, but so can another player. He won't dance on MUTV to help the club get more subscriptions.

That leaves the commercial revenue stream where he can have the most impact. Our commercial revenue for the financial year 14-15 was ~£196m. Of which the sponsorship revenue was £154m, a 14% increase from last year and almost 3 times from 2010-2011 season (I mentioned that because this is a period after marketing dream Ronaldo was long gone).

This £154m sponsorship revenue consisted of £47.5 from Chevy (shirt sponsor), ~£4m from AON as our affinity insurance partner, some £89.2 from other Global & regional sponsors, and the rest from training ground and training shirt sponsorship. Most of these sponsorship deals are tied for 3-7 years.

The rest ~42m comes from merchandising, apparel, product licensing, mobile & content revenue etc.

Either I failed to notice it or I am a bit slow, but how will getting Pogba, one of the most marketable players on the planet, majorly help us increase these revenue streams. He is French, so he is not going to open a market for us that we haven't already tapped. He'll have some positive affect on the merchandising, apparel & product licensing revenue; though will it big enough to offset some of the cost from his fees and wages? When we sell sponsorship deals, we negotiate the rights in respects to the player and manager imagery. Won't we have to pay Pogba extra for the rights our sponsors will get on already negotiated deals?

Isn't his 'swag' much more beneficial to brand Pogba in order to secure sponsorship deals for himself than it'll be for United? Uniited's marketability is helped by our success on the pitch; which Pogba may or may not help us achieve. However, the numbers some people talk about, £20m or £30m, that he'll help generate yearly because of his image are pure nonsense, imo.

Having said all that, I am the uninitiated on the topic, and stand to be corrected.
 
Insanity said:
@SirAF @Gazza Our discussion yesterday regarding the marketability of Pogba and how we'll profit from it intrigued me a little. I had a little time last night and brushed through the first few pages of our financial report from last year to delve a little deeper into it.

I guess we can discount the matchday and the broadcast revenue streams. We have had one of the highest match day attendances in the PL for years and Pogba's swag won't make people buy extra prawn sandwiches. The Broadcast revenue is also fixed. Pogba can help us get into the CL and increase it for the year 2017-2018, but so can another player. He won't dance on MUTV to help the club get more subscriptions.

That leaves the commercial revenue stream where he can have the most impact. Our commercial revenue for the financial year 14-15 was ~£196m. Of which the sponsorship revenue was £154m, a 14% increase from last year and almost 3 times from 2010-2011 season (I mentioned that because this is a period after marketing dream Ronaldo was long gone).

This £154m sponsorship revenue consisted of £47.5 from Chevy (shirt sponsor), ~£4m from AON as our affinity insurance partner, some £89.2 from other Global & regional sponsors, and the rest from training ground and training shirt sponsorship. Most of these sponsorship deals are tied for 3-7 years.

The rest ~42m comes from merchandising, apparel, product licensing, mobile & content revenue etc.

Either I failed to notice it or I am a bit slow, but how will getting Pogba, one of the most marketable players on the planet, majorly help us increase these revenue streams. He is French, so he is not going to open a market for us that we haven't already tapped. He'll have some positive affect on the merchandising, apparel & product licensing revenue; though will it big enough to offset some of the cost from his fees and wages? When we sell sponsorship deals, we negotiate the rights in respects to the player and manager imagery. Won't we have to pay Pogba extra for the rights our sponsors will get on already negotiated deals?

Isn't his 'swag' much more beneficial to brand Pogba in order to secure sponsorship deals for himself than it'll be for United? Uniited's marketability is helped by our success on the pitch; which Pogba may or may not help us achieve. However, the numbers some people talk about, £20m or £30m, that he'll help generate yearly because of his image are pure nonsense, imo.

Having said all that, I am the uninitiated on the topic, and stand to be corrected.
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I haven't read the debate but for me the whole stuff such as "X player is more marketable and therefore higher value" is rubbish (except when the said player is from a relatively untapped market, say like Kagawa or a Chinese/Indian player). As you said, the pure marketing value of a player is minuscule compared to the overall spending on the player. So if I am getting a player who is demonstrably better than another at the same price, I buy the first player regardless of any other consideration.

For any top tier club such as ours, winning trophies consistently is much more valuable than anything else. From a pure financial perspective, the revenue growth potential of a winner club over time is much higher than another top club, which say, qualifies for CL every year. And therefore any top player that will help in winning trophies would always command a premium valuation commensurate to the growth potential.

As an example, if we consider Cantona to be a key factor in our success in early nineties that allowed us to create a gap between us and Liverpool, how much value would we subscribe to him going back? I would say he would be immensely valuable (in 1990s prices of course) irrespective of his marketing potential.
 
VanGaalEra said:
Completely different quotes and attitude as opposed to the Vidal saga! He was quite reassuring for Juve fans during the Vidal saga.
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It has been completely different to the Vidal saga all along. We were not in bed with Vidal's agent for a start and Vidal didn't have the links to the club that Pogba does. With Vidal I didn't think there was any speculation that was really encouraging.
 
I thought that the £92m we've already offered included a clause that we pay the agents £18m fee and, if we do, there would be no further add-ons. Meaning we can sell-on (if we want) and not have to lose a percentage. Now they're asking for a further €10m AND add-ons, and now I hear the player will earn £11m a year AND retain his image and sponsorship rights (something that had previously been reported would be relinquished to United as part of the deal) :confused:

Makes you wonder if Juve really could afford to splash out €95m on Higuain … If I were Woody I'd tell 'em to feck off and leave them panicking! They'll soon be crawling back begging us to buy at any price as they'll be desperate to get some cash back in.
All sources quoted are merely rumours and conjecture that I choose to believe btw!
 
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I am 90% certain how some of you would react if you see/hear your missus with someone.
 
There comes a point when we all need to ask ourselves, is Ed delaying this so RedCafe can break the Vidal transfer thread record?
 
prateik said:
I don't understand these reports.
Raiola wont be telling them this.. Pogba isnt talking to anyone..
So where is the information coming from? Madrid? To the Spanish radio stations and papers..

That sounds reliable.
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It really seems that Raiola had some kind of deal with MU. He is pushing his players to go there (Ibra, Targaryen, Pogba).
 
Sky1981 said:
take one for the team ronnieeeeee, spam the hell out of us till you break vidal's record. I'll burn you an effigy on every Groundpogday
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I think that was Ed intention all along. We need to be first in every category. Second is for quitters. :)
 
Allegri 17th July 2016 - 25 July 2016

'I am calm about the English rumours,' Allegri told Gazzetta dello Sport.

'Anyone who has the opportunity to leave Juventus has to consider things very carefully, because right now Juve are among the top four European clubs.

'This is not a selling club that just lets its players go. Pogba belongs to Juve and at the end of the day he too will want to win another Scudetto and hopefully the Champions League.
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"At the moment I can tell you that Pogba is a Juventus player," Allegri said at the pre-match press conference ahead of Saturday night's International Champions Cup meeting with A-League club Melbourne Victory.

"We do not know what is going to happen."
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“Our club is monitoring the situation. The fact is so far Juventus signed the likes of Alves, Benatia, Pjanic and Pjaca, four important players to improve our team. Until the 31st of August many things may happen but for sure Juventus will be a great team, ready to be at the highest level to win in Italy and in Europe.”
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'I am not going to talk about the transfer market news we are just here to get ready.' 'The club is going to talk about the transfer market and they are doing very well so I am happy in that regard.'
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Just read those quotes from Scholesy. Couldn't agree more. This joker isn't worth this kind of outlay and City did get a bargain in Gudongan.
 
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