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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?


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Just read those quotes from Scholesy. Couldn't agree more. This joker isn't worth this kind of outlay and City did get a bargain in Gudongan.

Gudongan is like buying a faulty PS4 on eBay, you've got a bargain, but who knows how many more issues are going to arise with it, and you end up thinking you should have just spent a bit more money and got a new one.
 
You are right. Raiola can't force Pogba to move to United but he can make him go to United by saying something, I can't say control him, but control Pogba without him not even knowing it and Pogba thinking it's his decision to come back when Raiola lead him to move back here. (This may sound stupid but it's the best I could've phrased myself)

You don't know if he wants to return or not just like I don't know if those reports are true or not.

The word you are looking for is "inception". Sequel with DiCaprio as Raiola and Morgan Freeman as the Pog confirmed.
 
Gudongan is like buying a faulty PS4 on eBay, you've got a bargain, but who knows how many more issues are going to arise with it, and you end up thinking you should have just spent a bit more money and got a new one.

:lol: great analogy
 
I think Juve want to announce Higuain first and then sell Pogba to save face in front of their fans.
 
Gudongan is like buying a faulty PS4 on eBay, you've got a bargain, but who knows how many more issues are going to arise with it, and you end up thinking you should have just spent a bit more money and got a new one.

That remains to be seen. If he stays fit he'll be exactly the kind of attacking midfielder all the muppetocracy want. Pogba is like buying a PS4 for 10 grand.
 
@SirAF @Gazza Our discussion yesterday regarding the marketability of Pogba and how we'll profit from it intrigued me a little. I had a little time last night and brushed through the first few pages of our financial report from last year to delve a little deeper into it.

I guess we can discount the matchday and the broadcast revenue streams. We have had one of the highest match day attendances in the PL for years and Pogba's swag won't make people buy extra prawn sandwiches. The Broadcast revenue is also fixed. Pogba can help us get into the CL and increase it for the year 2017-2018, but so can another player. He won't dance on MUTV to help the club get more subscriptions.

The games I've been to at OT this season have been filled up with discounted tickets (which I bought from the uni near me), and what I imagine are free or heavily discounted tickets for school kids, because there was an insane amount of em in big groups with their teachers.

It's something I've ever seen on that scale before and IMO is due to us not being as appealing to watch. Obviously a big part of that is just the poor football, but United has also always had superstars until recent years so I reckon that's contributed too.
 
Someone negative about a deal, is always going to see the negatives. Just wait until you see him playing for United (should we sign him). Maybe you'll change your mind..
 
I think Juve want to announce Higuain first and then sell Pogba to save face in front of their fans.

I also get the impression of there is a deal we would like to announce it when then team and club officials are back on Manchester.
 
Just read those quotes from Scholesy. Couldn't agree more. This joker isn't worth this kind of outlay and City did get a bargain in Gudongan.

We don't know yet and atleast you should wait for one season before drawing conclusions. I remember I thought the same way when we got Kagawa cheap and Chelsea got Hazard. But turns out Chelsea came off better in that particular instance. Similarly we thought the club had gone mad when buying Martial last season - would you argue against that anymore?
 
That remains to be seen. If he stays fit he'll be exactly the kind of attacking midfielder all the muppetocracy want. Pogba is like buying a PS4 for 10 grand.
Bit of an exaggeration? Have you not seen the posts re proportions of turnover etc? The money is the market.

The problem with Gundogan is not a question over his ability, you said it yourself, the question is IF he stays fit. For me, that's not good enough.
 
@SirAF @Gazza Our discussion yesterday regarding the marketability of Pogba and how we'll profit from it intrigued me a little. I had a little time last night and brushed through the first few pages of our financial report from last year to delve a little deeper into it.

I guess we can discount the matchday and the broadcast revenue streams. We have had one of the highest match day attendances in the PL for years and Pogba's swag won't make people buy extra prawn sandwiches. The Broadcast revenue is also fixed. Pogba can help us get into the CL and increase it for the year 2017-2018, but so can another player. He won't dance on MUTV to help the club get more subscriptions.

That leaves the commercial revenue stream where he can have the most impact. Our commercial revenue for the financial year 14-15 was ~£196m. Of which the sponsorship revenue was £154m, a 14% increase from last year and almost 3 times from 2010-2011 season (I mentioned that because this is a period after marketing dream Ronaldo was long gone).

This £154m sponsorship revenue consisted of £47.5 from Chevy (shirt sponsor), ~£4m from AON as our affinity insurance partner, some £89.2 from other Global & regional sponsors, and the rest from training ground and training shirt sponsorship. Most of these sponsorship deals are tied for 3-7 years.

The rest ~42m comes from merchandising, apparel, product licensing, mobile & content revenue etc.

Either I failed to notice it or I am a bit slow, but how will getting Pogba, one of the most marketable players on the planet, majorly help us increase these revenue streams. He is French, so he is not going to open a market for us that we haven't already tapped. He'll have some positive affect on the merchandising, apparel & product licensing revenue; though will it big enough to offset some of the cost from his fees and wages? When we sell sponsorship deals, we negotiate the rights in respects to the player and manager imagery. Won't we have to pay Pogba extra for the rights our sponsors will get on already negotiated deals?

Isn't his 'swag' much more beneficial to brand Pogba in order to secure sponsorship deals for himself than it'll be for United? Uniited's marketability is helped by our success on the pitch; which Pogba may or may not help us achieve. However, the numbers some people talk about, £20m or £30m, that he'll help generate yearly because of his image are pure nonsense, imo.

Having said all that, I am the uninitiated on the topic, and stand to be corrected.

I'm at work now, but very briefly what I meant at least is that when we have those kind of players we are even more attractive to future sponsors (and maintaining our current). However, it's difficult to put it into numbers and I agree that those numbers you are quoting are nonsense.
 
Am prepared to wait and see if Pogba turns out to be all that but from where I'm at, to continue the gaming console analogy, its like buying an oculus rift for way over the odds. A whole bunch of nerds keep telling each other it's the business but the rest of us see it's just a poxy pair of bottle ended glasses for viewing porn.
 
Bit of an exaggeration? Have you not seen the posts re proportions of turnover etc? The money is the market.

The problem with Gundogan is not a question over his ability, you said it yourself, the question is IF he stays fit. For me, that's not good enough.

I just prefer Gundongan as a player mate. PP doesn't do it for me. Do not want.
 
I also get the impression of there is a deal we would like to announce it when then team and club officials are back on Manchester.

I dunno, the press is so slippery that I think the moment anything is official, it'll be leaked. I can't see that sort of news staying on the DL for a few days.
 
Just read those quotes from Scholesy. Couldn't agree more. This joker isn't worth this kind of outlay and City did get a bargain in Gudongan.

The quotes doesn't make sense at all, for me it is a bit simplistic.

The game has changed and also Pogba is not a striker like Ronaldo/Messi so he is not expected to score 50 goals a season, it is also worth noting how much Scholes would be worth in today's market, i would say close to £60-70m, and the most he ever scored in a season was around 15-20 (i think).

Also, you have to take into account image rights etc and also saying Gundagon is bargain, c'mon that is just plain stupid for a player that has been injured and is now injured with a serious knee injury.
 
Am prepared to wait and see if Pogba turns out to be all that but from where I'm at, to continue the gaming console analogy, its like buying an oculus rift for way over the odds. A whole bunch of nerds keep telling each other it's the business but the rest of us see it's just a poxy pair of bottle ended glasses for viewing porn.
No wonder you don't want Pogba if that's the best analogy you can come up with for explaining why you don't want him. If you think the best use of Oculus rift is to view porn then you probably think Pogba is best used as a male escort.
 
Am prepared to wait and see if Pogba turns out to be all that but from where I'm at, to continue the gaming console analogy, its like buying an oculus rift for way over the odds. A whole bunch of nerds keep telling each other it's the business but the rest of us see it's just a poxy pair of bottle ended glasses for viewing porn.
3D glasses? HD? Brazzers Premium Account?
 
Just read those quotes from Scholesy. Couldn't agree more. This joker isn't worth this kind of outlay and City did get a bargain in Gudongan.

I agree with some quotes from Scholsey, but comparing Gundogan and Pogba, its insane. Tell me one thing in which Gundogan is better? Acceleration, passing, long balls, sprints, long distance sprints with the ball, changing direction, and it goes on and on .. Gundogan can create something thats not questionable, but we need a player with all this attributes (even more) and stamina.
 
Just read those quotes from Scholesy. Couldn't agree more. This joker isn't worth this kind of outlay and City did get a bargain in Gudongan.
Think you mean 'crock' in Gundogan. Who would you prefer. A unfit player with several long-term injuries, or a 23 year old uninjured player with no injury history? I think we all know Pogba is better than Gundogan anyway. To call Pogba a joker, is just laughable. Good job on giving me a laugh this morning. You denied you are a WUM earlier in this thread. The more and more i see your posts, the more i think you're 'trying' your best to be one.
 
I just prefer Gundongan as a player mate. PP doesn't do it for me. Do not want.

What are your reasons for not liking the player? For me, he is exactly what we need - a highly accomplished technical player, which we haven't had since Scholes retired. He can help us dominate possession and also unlock defenses that are lying deep. Not to mention that he does have the ability to score a few goals, which is again something we have missed. Of course he has some weaknesses, particularly on the defensive side of the game but if we pair him with 1-2 energetic midfielders, I see our midfield being the best in the PL.
 
I wouldnt have any issue with Woodward walking away from this at this stage.

Not that I dont want Pogba, but neither am I enthusiastic about watching us get totally ripped off. Juve are taking the piss.

Whatever Woodward decides to do is fine. But if he says, in the end Juve were just asking too much, it didnt make sense, I wont hold it against him, or see it as us being cheap. We cant allow our negotiating position to be handing over a pot of lube, bending over a table and saying do your worst.
 
There comes a point when we all need to ask ourselves, is Ed delaying this so RedCafe can break the Vidal transfer thread record?

Im sure RedCafe would make a killing running spcial add cmapaign on transfer saga pages.

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What are your reasons for not liking the player? For me, he is exactly what we need - a highly accomplished technical player, which we haven't had since Scholes retired. He can help us dominate possession and also unlock defenses that are lying deep. Not to mention that he does have the ability to score a few goals, which is again something we have missed. Of course he has some weaknesses, particularly on the defensive side of the game but if we pair him with 1-2 energetic midfielders, I see our midfield being the best in the PL.

So how much would you be willing to pay for a Gundogan whose knees and back aren't a massive risk?

That's what we are getting in Pogba. These things cost money, but he's young, skilled with lots more potential, and has experienced the United way.

I think there's a bigger risk with injury to Gundogan than there is to signing Pogba and he doesn't get to the heights he's hyped to get to.

Who would you prefer, a player that costs a lot more initially, makes a lot of that back with shirts etc, or a player that signs and sits on the medical bench costing money each week without putting anything back in?
 
I would take Paul Scholes comments on this with a pinch of salt, considering that his brief return from retirement was one of the reasons why Paul Pogba left.
 
In the same article that Scholes says Gundogan is a great buy and that he has seen a lot of him, he says he isnt sure of Micky because he hasnt seen much of him. The interviewer should have probably asked him there and then, "erm Paul, you do know that they played in the same team for the last 3 years? And that Gundogan probably played less games than Micky due to the injuries he had."

I really liked the man when he avoided the press.
 
Nobody would move to Madrid due to a desire to play for a certain manager, since it's almost certain that any manager won't be there more than a few seasons.