Long enough in advance that the membership knew about it before voting for Corbyn? As I say, I'm hazy.
Not sure about that it's something I found out about retrospectively.
Long enough in advance that the membership knew about it before voting for Corbyn? As I say, I'm hazy.
Yeah sorry. My kids still don't get my sense of humour.
I don't hate AE. I'm reminded of a scene from Casablanca. "So... what brought you to Casablanca?" "I came to take the waters" "But this is a desert" "I was misinformed"The 'hate' for her is really just a recognition of her higher profile and the wider publics realisation that she's a bit useless. Some people probably do hate her for challenging Corbyn, but lets not pretend its completely irrational that people could think she's incompetent.
Clive Lewis(Labour MP) with a good article in The Guardian about this - https://www.theguardian.com/comment...m=Autofeed&CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics
Jeremy Corbyn fights off court challenge over Labour leadership ballot
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-off-court-challenge-labour-leadership-ballot
What a waste that was. What else have the stop Corbyn brigade got up their sleeve.
Owen Smith to begin sex reassignment surgery so the PLP can claim a vote for Corbyn means you hate women.What a waste that was. What else have the stop Corbyn brigade got up their sleeve.
Completely agree with youJust came on to post this as it pretty much sums up where im at (apart from im not sure ill vote Corbyn).
The party is changing and those who perhaps are losing influence because of this need to concede a little. The modernisers within the party need to step up and bring everyone together.
Fair summary of Corbyn as well. He has been unfairly attacked by the media at times and the PLP have been ridiculous but he's learning on the job which isnt ideal as he makes naive mistakes.
Obviously It'd be great if there was a candidate to pull everyone together but i dont think Labour is ready yet.
Jeremy Corbyn Study Claims TV And Online News ‘Persistently’ Biased Against Labour Leader - http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...3cd7e4b06d7c426edff0?edition=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk
#wearehismedia is an excellent example of the madness of Corbynism.
I think we're long past the stage where I can persuade anyone on here.I'm sure that continuing to label his supporters as mad or as being fringe lunatics is going to win them over.
I think we're long past the stage where I can persuade anyone on here.
And ease off the holier-than-thou bollocks as well, I've been told my position is Tory-lite for the past year.
Ah chill man! Have a Corbynetto.I think we're long past the stage where I can persuade anyone on here.
And ease off the holier-than-thou bollocks as well, I've been told my position is Tory-lite for the past year.
Would you be as happy if they were in opposition and losing ground, had a historically unpopular leader with no support among MSPs, and said supporters were happy with how things were going?That's equally unhelpful admittedly, but I don't think it can be denied that a lot of the Labour left over time have probably grown alienated due to being treated as a sort of lunatic, maddened outside fringe group who just need to be told what's best for them in regards to the parties major decisions. Some of them will no doubt be talking nonsense/saying things that are incorrect, but then that's something that could be applied to every wing of every political party. I'll happily admit that the SNP has some very, very rabid supporters, for example, even though I vote for them.
Would you be as happy if they were in opposition and losing ground, had a historically unpopular leader with no support among MSPs, and said supporters were happy with how things were going?
And I maintain, organising a twitterstorm to proudly insist that people on twitter are "his media" is a madness that is only likely to have any resonance within the kind of echo chamber that @Pogue Mahone spoke about recently. It's doubly worrying because Corbyn himself probably believes it and will continue to make little effort with the actual media that dominates the news cycle. Even Owen Jones was trying to gently tell them to get a clue
Neither side is going to just shake hands and agree to disagree anymore, whoever loses is either going to leave or come very close to it. Unfortunately for me, that looks near-certain to being my side at this juncture. Many will no doubt say good riddance, but there we are.
That's equally unhelpful admittedly, but I don't think it can be denied that a lot of the Labour left over time have probably grown alienated due to being treated as a sort of lunatic, maddened outside fringe group who just need to be told what's best for them in regards to the parties major decisions.
Would you be as happy if they were in opposition and losing ground, had a historically unpopular leader with no support among MSPs, and said supporters were happy with how things were going?
And I maintain, organising a twitterstorm to proudly insist that people on twitter are "his media" is a madness that is only likely to have any resonance within the kind of echo chamber that @Pogue Mahone spoke about recently. It's doubly worrying because Corbyn himself probably believes it and will continue to make little effort with the actual media that dominates the news cycle. Even Owen Jones was trying to gently tell them to get a clue
Neither side is going to just shake hands and agree to disagree anymore, whoever loses is either going to leave or come very close to it. Unfortunately for me, that looks near-certain to being my side at this juncture. Many will no doubt say good riddance, but there we are.
And the Tories didn't have much joy at all on Twitter, and they won a majority, whilst Labour did worse than expected. Exactly the point I'm trying to make - it's not the battleground that matters. I wasn't saying it started with Corbyn, I'm saying it's a lesson that should be learned from, not gleefully doubled down on.No, but then I'd also be extremely pissed off when that same leader has been sabotaged by a considerable number of people within the party from the very moment he stepped into an office, with a determination from those against him to undermine him at every possible opportunity.
And speaking in an echo chamber is nothing new in social media, either. It's been common for a long time, and is pretty much encouraged by every party who will want their supporters to be as positive and convincing as is possible. I very much doubt in the lead-up to the 2015 election Labour were hoping for their supporters to express anything other than overwhelming support for the party - hell, I remember several hashtags and trends that were anti-Tory that I suspect were dominated by Labour supporters, considering they were the biggest opposition party.
And as someone pointed out to Owen Jones, the Conservative paid £1m for their Twitter/Facebook campaigns etc... last year and the Labour party just £16k. On the other hand, Vote Leave had a strong twitter presence and I would not be at all surprised to find out they were astroturfing the website during the website. It's blatantly important, and its only going to become more so.
Clearly Twitter/Facebook etc... do have some impact, and I'm not sure why/how the fact Corbyn appeals to a very genuine twitter following is being portrayed as a bad thing nor why the hashtag is a problem?
And the Tories didn't have much joy at all on Twitter, and they won a majority, whilst Labour did worse than expected. Exactly the point I'm trying to make - it's not the battleground that matters. I wasn't saying it started with Corbyn, I'm saying it's a lesson that should be learned from, not gleefully doubled down on.
They paid to show ads to targeted groups whose votes (and their family members') were up for grabs. And had most of the actual print media on their side already.
Decrying the "MSM" at every opportunity and thinking social media (particularly Twitter) can make up the deficit isn't really similar.
Come on, they clearly think they can make it up, that's the whole point of saying "we are his media", it's all very romantic and "I'm Spartacus".Right, but they still clearly thought Twitter was a useful/important way for them to get their message across. Organic tweets from genuine supporters might not have the same reach (or *sigh* impressions) as a targeted ad campaign, but they cost the Labour party nothing. It would be foolish to turn your nose up at that.
Besides, we both know why Corbyn supporters are 'decrying the MSM' and its not because they 'think they can make up the deficit', but because they think 'the MSM' is wilfully misrepresenting their candidate (claims that are blatantly grounded in reality). You might not think decrying main steam media is a sound electoral strategy, but on the other hand, theres something admirable about supporting someone you want to support not the one you're coerced into supporting by the media, isn't there?