that's not the PL homegrown criteria
Read one article which says it's 36 months or 3 seasons. Not and, so Pogba qualified ad home grown.
On mobile, so can't link. Just Google hardtackle.com issues of home grown rules.
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Read one article which says it's 36 months or 3 seasons. Not and, so Pogba qualified ad home grown.
On mobile, so can't link. Just Google hardtackle.com issues of home grown rules.
So you don't agree? Elaborate then.
I posted the rules above, it's three entire seasons or 36 months. He did neither.
He's not homegrown.
What does it matter if he is homegrown or not ? It is not like we are going to run into a problem of not having enough home grown players to reach the quota any time soon.
Schneiderlin spent 29 months before his 21st birthday but he was considered as home grown as he spent 3 seasons.
It will probably hinge on their definition of entire season.
Doesn't clarify whether they were able to back-date. If we filed forms when he first turned up, and they were only authorsied in October, I'd imaging there's a possibility they were dated July?
Nope...the criteria the PL uses allows us to categorise the Da Silva twins as home grown players. They never played in our Academy at all.
Their criteria does;t make sense and is contradictory.
In addition, when comparing youth players over time you have to apply the same criteria otherwise records, statistics and comparisons become meaningless.
The criteria I have mentioned has been around for a long time.
Unlike what people might think nowadays, a 21 years old player is a very young player and he is still learning the game. IIRC in rugby it's 23 years old and in cyclism u24 are youth athletes.
Manchester United sold Pogba and Manchester United are going to buy him back. The records will show that as will the company accounts.
Just because a different management team sold him to the one that bought him back doesn't make it 'two different entities' as you put it.
I'm not disputing that. Just saying in the eyes of the law he's an adult at 18.
The rules allow for the third season being the season in which the player turns 21.
You can't backdate a registration.
I'm confused now, we seem to be talking at crossed purposes.
The question is whether he will be classed as homegrown by the Premier League, and according to their own rules he will not.
IIRC, more than 6 months counts as an entire season.
Apparently, the delay in contract signing is because the pen used is 7ft long and is tethered to the desk with a 2 inch thick chain
( so people don't accidentally walk off with it)
The low ceiling in the room doesn't help either!
( so people don't accidentally walk off with it)
The low ceiling in the room doesn't help either!
And it has nothing to do with being an adult.
I just think the 21 rule is a bit arbitrary that's all. Why 21?
Think it probably would make more of a difference in the champions league registrations. Not sure if they use different criteria or not, but pogba qualifies for both in football manager, and it could be because he was here for most of 3 seasons, between 2009 and 2012, not necessarily needing full 36 months or to have been there since game 1
It's good that we've come to the conclusion that he is not homegrown. The same conclusion we came to both 300 and 500 pages ago.
Please can we lock this thread until there is actual news? I don't believe there is anything more to discuss regarding this potential transfer.
Please can we lock this thread until there is actual news? I don't believe there is anything more to discuss regarding this potential transfer.
Not really back-dating though, if we submitted it in July, and it just had to sit waiting for approval until October?
Ladbrokes offering 3/1 that Pogba is spotted at the Community Shield
Seconded.
Of all the various opinions about the "quality" or whatever of a thread on an internet forum that get thrown around, requests for locks are always the ones that confuse me most. You can just ignore it, you know.
FM appears to be wrong. He does not meet the criteria to be classed as homegrown by the Premier League.
He was not registered until October, that's the only point that matters.
Because for the federations the formative years stop at 21/22 years old. For example in France each class year is given one staff from the age of 15 to the age of 20, that staff has for mission to develop the players, then they are sent to the U21's staff who has for mission to help them transition to senior level.
In football the formative period last 6 years, not 3.
Just managed to find the official PL handbook rather than a third party copy (the PL website fecking sucks)
There's no doubt; Pogba is not a homegrown player.
Fair enough. My point was it seems a bit arbitrary. Home-grown could mean anything really, particularly if the age cut off is 21.
Yes, it seems like they'll count 9/10 as a full season, along with 10/11 and 11/12 which will make him homegrown. I'm surprised, didn't think he'd get it, Jones didn't get it IIRC, and he was short by much less.
Will Pogba get a new haircut if he signs with us ?
Maybay he can color it part red with a devil shaven in it
Maybay he can color it part red with a devil shaven in it
He bloody well better.
Everything is arbitrary, your alternative is also arbitrary. I mean, in some countries you are considered an adult at 21 not 18, that's also arbitrary. But in that case, it's just due to the fact that youth football and the formative years stop at the U21 category after that you are supposed to be ready for Senior football.
Goes back to your point I guess about what constitutes a 'youth' team player.
Just to clarify, they define a season so we know how to count the season he turns 21 in, but the confusing part is that they say he has to be with the club 3 seasons or 36 months. Do they count 36 months from the beginning of his first season with a qualifying club or 36 months from the moment he joins? Not disagreeing, just making sure I understand.
No it means what the rules state it does.
I must say I'm getting rather excited at the thought of having such a positive, driving force in midfield again. It's been too long.
From registration, and the season is defined for the purpose of clarifying 'complete'.
This can't be right - Phil Jones was developed in the Football League, first with Blackburn and then United and so there is no way he did not count as an English home-grown player for PL purposes. It doesn't have to be with the current club.
And the rule is?
We signed him in July 2009, so the 2009/10 season is 1.
The 10/11 season would be 2.
He left after the 2011/12 season, so that would be 3 seasons.
He was born in 1993 so he turned 21 in 2014.
@Rado_N am I applying the rule correctly?
Scroll up it has been posted.