Who was worse, Moyes or Van Gaal?

Who did a worse job?

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I find the money argument against LvG laughable.

Where do you expect to find replacements for the likes Rio, Vidic, Evra, Giggs, RvP etc? Or replacements for the likes of Cleverly, Anderson, Nani and Welbeck.

And why is Moyes' inability to do anything meaningful in the transfer market presented as a positive for Moyes? :wenger:
 
I think Moyes was worse due to the fact that he was just SO unbelievably out of his depth here. Everything he did reeked of desperation and fear. There was no plan. No blueprint, No...anything. It was obvious from the off that he was absolutely terrified of the job and had no business managing at this size a club. That said, Moyes had no big club experience or pedigree like Van Gaal and it was obvious that his selection was going to be a big ask of the man to see if he could rise to the occasion.

This is what makes LvG's tenure a bigger disappointment than Moyes', at least in my mind. LvG had coached at two of the biggest clubs in the world. He had won trophies and he was suppose to be a safe bet to lead us back into the top 4, maybe more. It's just fecking frustrating and baffling that he came here, spent a boatload dosh, and ultimately his only saving grace for not being statistically worse than Moyes in nearly every way, was an F.A. Cup win - a win obtained when he was already a dead man walking.

We looked terrible under both.
 
Under Moyes, our games against the likes of Liverpool, City and Chelsea were the most embarrassing I can remember from a Manchester United side. We looked no better or worse than a relegation candidate. Under LvG, we were more often than not beating those sides, not to mention higher league finishes and a trophy. I think a lot of people when it comes to LvG mistake the dullness of his time with a lack of quality. I am not saying we were good but we were more boring than actually bad. We finished within touching distance of second spot on each of his two seasons and rarely been outplayed by anyone. His teams had big flaws and so it happens that one of them flaws was one that seriously turns people off, dullness. But it doesn't change the fact that he did some really good work in other areas.
 
Moyes' tenure makes me piss blood out of my ass. Not even close.

LvG for all his Bollox won FA cup with us and brought through Rashford and TFM. I know it was a bit of a fluke and injuries played their part, but at least he still trusted in youth. His press conferences were absolute box office. What gimp he was but yeah - Moyes was a fecking shambles - made me want to hate life all together!
 
RedPed said:
You're wasting your time mate. People will ignore all of that stuff because of their irrational hatred for Moyes...that what it boils down to.
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I hate both men

Scarred by both

One was an over the hill egomaniac and another didn't even know to climb a hill and full of excuses.

As much as I like Jose,these two have made me apprehensive. I now fear the worst as both were even worse thsn my lowest expectation. Hopefully it's third time lucky.
 
LVG is like the old bloke who sits in the corner of the pub, he knows most of the answers on the quiz machine but has forgot how to operate it, Moyes is the bloke who walks in, spends 50p on the machine gets the coin stuck, breaks the buttons and walks away whistling as it goes off for lengthy repairs.

LVG is better.
 
Adzzz said:
LVG is like the old bloke who sits in the corner of the pub, he knows most of the answers on the quiz machine but has forgot how to operate it, Moyes is the bloke who walks in, spends 50p on the machine gets the coin stuck, breaks the buttons and walks away whistling as it goes off for lengthy repairs.

LVG is better.
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:lol: Perfect.
 
I think the problem with this argument is when they started and therefore it becomes a bit more complicated. In my opinion, whoever started after Ferguson was on a hiding to nothing for all the reasons that have been discussed many times...yeah even if it had been Jose. The first manager after Ferguson was always going to have the toughest job in football. Unfortunately the fact Moyes had never won anything, being in charge of a team with players who had won a lot, just exasperated the problem. LVG had the luxury of taking over after the first person post Fergie had failed (odds on that person would), had won things which presumably should have gained the players trust more and therefor theoretically should have pushed us back to a more challenging position. He kind of did to a certain extent, but still fell short of fans expectations......

I reckon it's 50/50 taking everything into consideration.....
 
I'm sorry but I cannot believe that anyone has said LVG was worse. Genuinely shocked 18% think Moyes did a better job.

What in the name of good God did he do that could be remotely regarded as positive?

Style of football? Woeful
Results overall? Woeful
Results against rivals? Piss poor
Transfers? Failed
Personal likeability ? Missing, presumed dead.

LVG has plenty of flaws but my goodness, he did some good things; we actually had a few good wins and won a trophy!
 
Adzzz said:
LVG is like the old bloke who sits in the corner of the pub, he knows most of the answers on the quiz machine but has forgot how to operate it, Moyes is the bloke who walks in, spends 50p on the machine gets the coin stuck, breaks the buttons and walks away whistling as it goes off for lengthy repairs.

LVG is better.
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:lol:
 
Moyes definitely.
Van Gaal win us a the FA Cup, put the likes of Lingard, Rashford into the next manager attention. At least the guy has some good memories along with the shite ones. The only memory I had of Moyes is getting crapped by the top teams, and aspire to be City.
 
pierrethesnack said:
True. For a moment we got to experience what it must be like for fans of a lower league team score against a PL giant in the FA cup though :lol::lol:

"feck ye get int here lets ave it feck ye....oh.....cool game anyway"
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To be honest during most of Moyes tenure we experienced what it was like to be an under dog side. Set us up like relegation fodder at home vs Arsenal to scrape a 1-0 win from a set-piece.

And then the disgraceful tactics vs Bayern, ten men bus parking at Old Trafford and hoofing it to Welbeck. fecking pathetic.
 
Easy!

The name David Moyes fills me with hate. From the first second I heard his name in the same sentence as United and manager my body and soul just screamed - Nooooo!!!!.

He's the Donald Trump of football. Just the fact that a full blooded idiot like Moyes can be a manager says a lot of the criteria to be a football manager.
 
At least with van Gaal, we had some memorable moments - victories over rivals, cup win, emergence of Rashford, etc. The only positive moment of Moyes's reign was the home win against Olympiakos, and that after the worst European away performance I can remember.
 
Moyesy, not just because of the record, but since he continues to whine and blame us for his own failings.
 
LVG by a mile for me. For the first time in my life the enjoyment of football was sucked out of me. Then the sight of him just sitting with that fecking notepad just watching shit on a stick football before turning up in the post match interview with his smug head making some pathetic excuse for his failings. I hated him, I hated his philosophy and most of all I hated his excuses.
 
We were definitely far more of a laughing stock under Moyes. Just when it seemed Van Gaal could surpass Moyes in the clown management stakes then Van Gaal would pull a wonder result out of the bag to defect the inevitable overwhelming ridicule for another week or two. In 2 years from now also the joke Van Gaal reign might be looked on with slightly less ridicule if the likes of Rashford, Martial, Fosu Mensah become world stars
 
Without a shadow of a doubt it has to be LVG for me. For all his failures, Moyes at least tried to play the United way, continue the Ferguson legacy and entertain; he just wasn't very good at it. LVG wanted to throw everything Ferguson stood for overboard and change the style of not only the play but the club itself. All his talk of philosophy and processes nearly made me want to stop watching United altogether.
 
RetroStu said:
What?, moyes brought us -

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And Van Gaal got us Schweinsteiger. Rojo. Falcoa. Di Maria. Very succesfull transfers!
 
Moyes was pathetic.

Looked intimidated as soon as he got the job, got rid of a title winning backroom staff, dithered in the transfer market, didn't go for an available Gareth Bale until the last minute, went for Fellaini and Baines, ended up paying more than the bloody buy out clause.

Van Gaal won away at Liverpool, City, Arsenal and generally did well in the big games, Moyes has never won at those grounds in his entire career!

It's not even close, how anyone can say LVG is beyond me.
 
I don't recall Moyes winning the FA Cup, and he couldn't even guide us past Sunderland at home in the League Cup, so Moyes was worse.
 
Redguern said:
Not this again... his net spend was close to half that and everyone recognised that Fergie had let the average squad age get too high.
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How about this, Moyes got us out of a tougher CL group stage, Semis of league cup with the same shit squad ergie supposedly left.

Whereas LVG after a "net spend" of say, 125 million, got us out a CL Group stage, many thought was probably the best draw we could get.

LVG presided over some grim footie and in the end even a patient fan like me was glad to see the back of him.
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Yes, Just go through some of our games against MK Dons, Cambridge, Middlesborough to remind yourself of how really grim it was.


However, he bought in players like Martial, brought on players like Rashford, CBJ, TFM etc. and generally steadied the ship after the disaster that was Moyes.
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http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...rtial-Ryan-Giggs-Scouted-Transfer-News-Monaco

Louis left us on a high note with the FA Cup and with some solid defensive foundations with the lowest goals against in the Prem.

Moyes was by far the worst thing to happen to United and no amount of LVG 'philosophy' will change that...
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How can you make a case for your argument with statements like that?
 
MannyB said:
I find the money argument against LvG laughable.

Where do you expect to find replacements for the likes Rio, Vidic, Evra, Giggs, RvP etc? Or replacements for the likes of Cleverly, Anderson, Nani and Welbeck.

And why is Moyes' inability to do anything meaningful in the transfer market presented as a positive for Moyes? :wenger:
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This thread is not about any positives and as the title says its just about comparing whose worse.

LVG had more time, that is 4 transfer windows to get his team playing the way he wanted and yet he failed abjectly (or maybe that was his style and he succeeded). But Moyes didnt. Thats the argument. If they had spent proportionate amount of time/ Money, then yes maybe we could say otherwise.

Also, main thing to be taken into account mainly is that the players didnt seem to play for Moyes, rightly or wrongly, which is very evident from some of the excerpts from Rio, etc..,
 
bleedred said:
This thread is not about any positives and as the title says its just about comparing whose worse.

LVG had more time, that is 4 transfer windows to get his team playing the way he wanted and yet he failed abjectly (or maybe that was his style and he succeeded). But Moyes didnt. Thats the argument. If they had spent proportionate amount of time/ Money, then yes maybe we could say otherwise.

Also, main thing to be taken into account mainly is that the players didnt seem to play for Moyes, rightly or wrongly, which is very evident from some of the excerpts from Rio, etc..,
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Would the fact that Moyes was fired long before LVG was, and that the players stopped playing for him, not indicate that Moyes was worse?
 
Moyes was worse for me. At the beginning, he tried to mimic SAF, but when the train went off the rails, he admittedly had no idea how to fix it. Now, I'm in a minuscule minority that thinks if Moyes had been kept on for the second season, we'd have seen some improvement and his legacy would not have been so tarnished.

LVG clearly had a vision. One that was soul defeating. But, at least, he stuck with it. Unlike quite a few, I still wanted us to make top 4, because I love United in the Champions league and we were in striking distance. Van Gaal's football was dire, Moyes just seemed lost by the end. I'm glad they're both gone.
 
2cents said:
Would the fact that Moyes was fired long before LVG was, and that the players stopped playing for him, not indicate that Moyes was worse?
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Or Would the performances have improved if the players believed in him from the beginning??

Also, Would you agree when I say that Moyes had inherited Fergie's side which many argue was over performing and papering over cracks and LVG by the time he left, had his own team??..
 
Van Gaal will always have a special place in me heart for putting in the best performance at Anfield I've ever seen.

That's what he was striving for his united team to play like but unfortunately it never happened.

Plus the FA cup.

Moyes was super depressing. No charisma, no charm, just nothing about him is attractive. And his football was abysmal.
 
Moyes, without any doubt. He fecked it up, big time. But i think he never got a chance. He just doesn't have what it takes.
 
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