That might all change when we have 1 Queue for Brits and another for the rest.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/788696297062666240
You'd think all those match going England fans he must have met over the years would make this easier to believe wouldn't you?
Good on the jug eared twat for this though.
You'd think all those match going England fans he must have met over the years would make this easier to believe wouldn't you?
Good on the jug eared twat for this though.
I've asked this before, but how will withdrawing from the Treaty of Le Touquet prevent groups of migrants congregating at Channel ports? The Sangatte camps existed before the present agreement did it not?
I agree with you, I think everyone including the Europeans and a lot of the Uk would like the Uk to remain in the EU. But the attitude of the people representing the UK are rubbing people up the wrong way, I did feel sorry for all the Uk residents and still feel sorry for those who don't want this. It's madness and maybe they will come to their senses before it is too late, but I doubt it very much.
Not at all mate, you'd be hard to find some less daily mail than me.
As a human I find it Abhorant that a former corrupt PM is trying to call the shots from a country that promotes FOM so long as you don't stay here.
Yeah, it will get worse for everyone. If there's one thing we know how to feck ourselves over with better than anywhere else in the world it's petty bureaucracy.
As a "legal" immigrant working in Singapore I passed through the worlds busiest passenger airport in under 5 minutes every single time without breaking stride simply by pressing my thumb to a piece of glass. In Hong Kong, the worlds second busiest passenger airport, I did have to present my passport but still barely waited more than 10 minutes at the fully manned checkpoint. In my native land 45 minutes queuing is considered acceptable, it often stretches way past the hour mark and the automated passport readers they have purchased only make matters worse as they kick out 50% of passports at random after scanning them for 3 minutes forcing people to head to the back of another queue.
If there's a way we can feck things up, we find it every single time with unerring accuracy.
He has never been corrupt.
Tell yourself that enough times.....
Yes I agree about the illegals but the borders should revert to where they were some years ago with the British border in the UK and the French border in France .
Remember that the Freedom of Movement is not about these illegals or asylum seekers, it's about Europeans and they are not camping out in Calais.
The Calais camp is breaking up and the people are being sent all over the place. My sister- in- law starts a new job on Monday at a centre that houses these immigrants near the French/Italian border in the Alps.
As for why these people want to come to the UK, there are various reasons, but the UK has this reputation for handing out houses, benefits etc to these migrants. Why does the UK have this reputation, do they do that? If they do then it is not to do with the EU it is due to the British government.
Personally I do not see the attraction, which is why I left as soon as I could
He is a supposed witness and has been sanctioned because he said nothing, the actual culprits are Chirac and Pandraud. They used the money of Paris to finance jobs at the RPR.
Small correction @Bury Red, it's not our delusions of greatness that draw people here, it's the enormous tolerance our government has for illegal, less than minimum wage slave labour. We receive asylum seekers, refuse to give them benefits for 6 months, refuse to allow them to find legal employment until their claim is resolved, and then don't say anything when, out of necessity, they find illegal work.
It's disgraceful when you see the working conditions in some businesses in the "world's 5th largest economy". And it's right from the tiny businesses like car washes, builders, takeaways etc all the way up to massive food manufacturing plants in London.
And our politicians tell thick old racists on the one hand that they don't have a job or a fair wage because of immergants, and tell business leaders on the other how great they are and not to worry about pesky things like immigration status or working conditions.
Gloriously immoral, racist, opportunistic, toffee nosed feckwits the lot of them. Bring all the refugees I say and move them into MPs second homes. Then David Davis can tell me about how fecking hospitable he is.
It's disgraceful when you see the working conditions in some businesses in the "world's 5th largest economy". And it's right from the tiny businesses like car washes, builders, takeaways etc all the way up to massive food manufacturing plants in London.
And our politicians tell thick old racists on the one hand that they don't have a job or a fair wage because of immergants, and tell business leaders on the other how great they are and not to worry about pesky things like immigration status or working conditions.
Gloriously immoral, racist, opportunistic, toffee nosed feckwits the lot of them. Bring all the refugees I say and move them into MPs second homes. Then David Davis can tell me about how fecking hospitable he is.
Agreed. he was the scapegoat and probably expected Chirac to eventually pardon him.
Still an arsehole though. How many limousines did he add to the car park in the Elysées Palace again? It's all ok if it's not your money to those lot.
That's most definitely the reality. Unfortunately for many of the economic migrants heading this way what they believe of Britain is what they glean from TV programmes, we're friendly, humorous folk who live in huge houses and live in a land of plenty where beer is so cheap we only ever drink one mouthful before abandoning our pint and heading off to more pressing matters like the county fair. They see the good work our aid agencies do at home and the ludicrous amounts of money and materials we throw into charities that have helped them. They see the Premier League where average kids become multi millionaires and the X Factor where talentless gimps are celebrated and elevated to the upper echelons of society.
If we want to control immigration let's be honest about things, let's show the modern day slavery on construction sites, the people trafficked into illegal factory jobs or the sex trade, the dead cockle pickers and the bodies being pulled from airless refrigerated wagons and let's show them the miserable fecking weather and even more miserable racist people.
Yeah but that's it, they have family here often, they know there are half decent illegal jobs considering the alternative is to be vilified by the French and languish in unemployment. Problem is, it doesn't benefit society to allow illegal labour, and the immigrant themselves don't know that they deserve better. After all, anything has to be better than starvation, genocide and drone strikes.
Vilified by the french, why?
Because French society is massively racist and basically shoves them out into ghettoes on the edge of the city so the cops can find them more easily to beat them up?
Really?
No it isn't. No other EU country expects another to act as a border guard for them. The French don't expect the Italians to stop immigrants before they enter France. Only Britain is that arrogant.
You learn something every day
I wouldn't say French society is massively racist, if anything it's more multicultural than the UK. I would have to agree however on both the ghettoisation of immigrants and the police's attitude.
As an Erasmus student at Grenoble University I had the great pleasure of being housed in the grand sounding Village Olympique, an off campus residential area the Uni had bought from the winter Olympics organisers in the 80s. Unfortunately the reality bit home quickly as you realised the Echirolles and Villeneuve area the student residences sat between were 1970s high rise gang run ghettos for migrants from the French Maghreb. It was a great year and a great educational experience, I smoked a lot of really good weed, became fluent in French both forwards and backwards and got in a lot of skiing. Prior to living there however guns and tear gas had been things that only occurred in my life through the mediums of film and television, not in person and whilst we may have joked about hating the fuzz or the dibble, we'd never have considered running from them but as one black and one mixed race English student found out to their peril the CRS don't bother checking paperwork when they raid, if your face fits they're going to break it.
The ghettoisation is the fruit of high prices in old towns, it's not due to racism. The CRS aren't meant to check your paperwork, they are only out when things go south and you will find bad neighborhood everywhere, I suppose that you have that in the UK too, but no one calls you racist because of it.
From Football365's letters page:
I agree completely about the cause and we do share a similar history of ghettoisation. I have to say however that the relish with which the French police lay into prone bodies with batons and feet is fecking horrific, and that's coming from someone who has seen how our police handle football hooligans or strikers. I had one mate who fell foul of them twice in the year and the second time he was pissing blood for a fortnight and couldn't walk up a flight of stairs for a month and all because the police had been called to a disturbance where an old Portuguese guy, high on something pulled a knife on my mate and his girlfriend after they refused to give him some money. The police barreled out of the vans and let the dogs bring both blokes to the floor before giving them a good kicking and arresting both.
We had similarly bad social housing in poor areas in the UK which led to similar urban issues in places like Moss Side, Toxteth, Brixton with the subsequent riots, policing problems and fair accusations of racism but whilst we are still far from perfect, we did recognise the failure of these areas and redevelop them and attempt to provide better housing and integration. It's the wrong thread to discuss the likes of Echirolles, Villeneuve or Molenbeek but the problems that the urban ghettos in France and Belgium pose are clear to see and are fueling a rising tide of racism not just within your borders but throughout Europe. I'll not pretend there's an easy answer to them but let's not pretend they don't exist.
Yeah it is anyhow, none of them would make it to Britain anyway cos the French police would arrest them for illegally hanging off trucks right?
It was in the 70s-80s, it was a different time, now the police is afraid of teenagers.
As for the difficult areas, most decent cities are dealing with it by building smaller and nicer buildings and destroying the old ones while financing associations.
I'm not quite that old, my experiences in Grenoble were at the start of the 90s but I've worked with many other Grenoble graduates over the years as it's a specialist centre for Geotechnical Engineering and even ones who only graduated in the last few years are surprised I lived in Echirolles for 12 months as it's apparently not improved one bit.
Yes they let them all flood into the UK - that's why there was never a camp in Calais, right?
Echirolles didn't changed from what I have heard but it's one of the worst place in France, so I doubt that it's going to change anytime soon. But in Montpellier for example most of them have been teared down and rebuilt, the social housing are spreaded and mixed with private housing.
Now, there is a problem with some cities around Paris who are unwilling to build new social housing because it doesn't create value.
Grenoble has a bad reputation still. I am that old and in a previous incarnation, I was a relief shop manager in North London covering Tottenham, Harringay, Willesden, Camden Town etc, very high concentration of immigrants. Doubt these places have changed that much since. But that's the same in big cities everywhere.
"'Useless French Leader' production line"
I hadn't realised he was convicted of corruption. The article says he was banned from holding elected office for ten years, was this reduced on appeal or did it stand for the full decade?
Can't understand why people try to excuse this sort of thing and then go out and vote for them. It seems like they are asking to be robbed blind.
He has been banned one year and he was an important witness but not one of the accused.
I would have guessed it is more than just 49%.
http://news.sky.com/story/half-of-britons-fear-theresa-may-has-no-brexit-plan-sky-poll-10625555
http://news.sky.com/story/half-of-britons-fear-theresa-may-has-no-brexit-plan-sky-poll-10625555
We're not racist they said:
(And remember, this is about 14 children with families already here)
(And remember, this is about 14 children with families already here)
Actually those places are gentrifying rapidly. Not really for the better.
Oh and the French police everybody:
Which political figure should now be considered a racist under @Untied's definition?
Former Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw.
And?
I had no problems going there but when you say rapidly I was talking about the late 70s
Canada walks out of talks with EU, casting doubt over intentions to sign CETA next week
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...do-deals-with-canada-says-sparking-fears-abo/