Jose: "There are those who want to be here at any cost and those who suffer with a little pain."

Do you agree with Jose criticizing players in public for not being willing/fit to play?


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LVG won loads more than our players too. I trust you'd have had no problems with him selling Martial and Rashford this summer?
Might as well ask me if I'd be happy with him going on a live children's television show and digesting a turd sandwich, it's about as relevant right now considering he hasn't actually done it and probably won't.

LVG hasn't been on the same level as Mourinho since the 21st Century kicked in.
 
Who said that Klopp was a genius for doing things like that?

Fans and media came together in support of Klopp after, no one was asking for him to be sacked.

Klopp was wrong when he did it.

I disagree and the general hypocrisy around football fans is laughable.

Klopp got asked about Sturridge and how he was recovering. It's completely different from calling out someone unprovoked.

Circumstances were really different and there's much more context to what klopp said.

He was constantly being asked why Sturridge wasn't playing and just gave an honest answer, he's frail and precious about himself which doesn't suit Klopp or the way he wants his team to be.
 
Jose Mourinho. Took teams like Inter and Porto who were nowhere close to the top to domestic titles and Champions league victories. Responsible for more than half of Chelsea's history and has just over a year ago won the premier league. If this man can't do the job, who can? Giggs? :lol:

Anyone who doubts Jose is talking nonsense. I believe van Gaal is also a great manager but he suffered from lack of commitment from his players, the same thing Jose is talking about.

I agree. Though Jose has a tendency to say shit in public he should keep in the dressing room, he also is the manager and it's quite evident there are some bad morale/attitudes among certain players and it needs to be weeded out.

Like the whole Miki debacle, i'm sure he would not call him out if he did not have reasons for it. Would be more than just strange to sign a player just to use him as a punching bag. Same with Martial and that shirt number case as well. Your a footballer goddamnit, not a fashion designer. Stop whinging about a shirt number and get your head in the game.

Modern footballers piss me off at times because they don't really seem to appreciate just how privileged they are. Most of them earn more in a week than regular people earn in a full year and when you play for one of the biggest and most popular clubs in the world, you should get down and do your part and not whinge about bullshit and "hurt fewings"
 
Why would you think he's going to do that? Both players were in the squad today.
You've missed the point. The manager isn't right by default simply by virtue of winning something in the past.
 
Mourinho and Zlatan both said today Pogba wasn't 100% but I don't think a 100% Schneiderlin would have put in a performance like that. Like Mourinho said, in top level sport, it's very common for players to play despite not being 100% or feeling a bit of pain. We just aren't aware of it half the time because it's so common.
And if they then go missing for longer periods in the season it causes more issues. They are not workhorses, they need to have time to recover. Pogba today was very good, but I would probably argue that he wasn't really injured, more not at full peak performance.
 
Looking at Shaw/Smalling/Mkhi.

The club has to ensure they're completely behind Mourinho here, there is a culture problem at the club with players not willing to walk through walls for results.

Not a surprise we've been bottling big situations last couple years.
 
Starting to think that no one actually watched the interview, Jose didn't seem to be gunning for anyone in particular, he was just acknowledging what we all know, there is an entitlement culture amongst a lot of our players
 
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I agree. Though Jose has a tendency to say shit in public he should keep in the dressing room, he also is the manager and it's quite evident there are some bad morale/attitudes among certain players and it needs to be weeded out.

Like the whole Miki debacle, i'm sure he would not call him out if he did not have reasons for it. Would be more than just strange to sign a player just to use him as a punching bag. Same with Martial and that shirt number case as well. Your a footballer goddamnit, not a fashion designer. Stop whinging about a shirt number and get your head in the game.

Modern footballers piss me off at times because they don't really seem to appreciate just how privileged they are. Most of them earn more in a week than regular people earn in a full year and when you play for one of the biggest and most popular clubs in the world, you should get down and do your part and not whinge about bullshit and "hurt fewings"

No matter how you feel about them they are not going away. Whatever replacements Mourinho's will go after will have a good chance of having the same type of personalities.
 
I fecking love you, you couldn't have put it to words more appropriately than that. I am also sick of players showing their power and using media to have their say against the manager. What really pisses me off is a player who is playing absolutely crap, feeds to the media (indirectly) and complain about given opportunities and unfair treatment by United. Players of the likes of Nistelrooy, Berbatov in the past and Depaay, schneiderlin & Mkhitaryan in current squad who were continuously poor in their final spells and were simply not good enough.

What I would love to see is Mourinho getting rid of at least 2-3 players in January Transfer Window and make a real statement plus a shut up call from the Board/CEO to the players. In any case, this needs to be sorted out quickly (making it clear that the Manager is the man in charge). I seriously hope that Mourinho is given time and absolute power to fix this culture that has creeped in after Fergie left.

Edit: Some of you might think I am being harsh on Nistelrooy. He was simply not producing in his final year for United. We really had difficulty scoring goals in 2005-06. It only once we got rid of him, it was a free scoring United all over again. Watch United's 2006-07 Review

To an extent, but our goals output in itself in 05-06 never really changed that much once we ditched RVN for Saha instead. We did improve in 06-07 but that was probably as much down to Ronaldo massively improving as a player than anything else - he scored plenty of goals for a winger (which he was at the time), and created many too. Getting rid of RVN may have been correct in hindsight but I think it's a bit revisionist to say it was ditching him that fixed our problems.
 
Will he ever stop whining about his own players?

This is probbaly about Shaw. But isn't it a bit understandable if Shaw wants be extra careful given the horrific injury he had last season?

Of course it is understandable. The biggest pussies are the reporters that don´t have the stones to stand up to Mourinho and ask him the legit questions like:

Do you know about Shaw´s injury?
Have you seen the horrific pictures?
Do you know how long ago that was?
Can you understand that this might need a little bit of time to overcome physically and mentally for a 21 year old?

See how he answers that without coming across like a complete dickhead.
 
Might as well ask me if I'd be happy with him going on a live children's television show and digesting a turd sandwich, it's about as relevant right now considering he hasn't actually done it and probably won't.

LVG hasn't been on the same level as Mourinho since the 21st Century kicked in.
It's obviously relevant to my point which was that a managers past record doesn't mean his every decision right now is the correct one. And Mourinho last season proved that himself otherwise he wouldn't have that gigantuc turd of a season at Chelsea. Nor the start he's made at United in fact.
 
Jose Mourinho. Took teams like Inter and Porto who were nowhere close to the top to domestic titles and Champions league victories. Responsible for more than half of Chelsea's history and has just over a year ago won the premier league. If this man can't do the job, who can? Giggs? :lol:

Anyone who doubts Jose is talking nonsense. I believe van Gaal is also a great manager but he suffered from lack of commitment from his players, the same thing Jose is talking about.

I'm sorry but this is shite. LVG suffered from playing a dull, stifling style of football which restricted players and left us with an embarrassingly low number of goals last season, and from relying upon a player who is physically past it as our main creative outlet at the expense of better players.

We actually often delivered in big games under LVG: notably against Liverpool on multiple occasions and in the FA Cup final. LVG could've changed his tactics if he wanted to and tried to improve us through doing so, but he was stubborn, unwilling to adapt to a system which would bring us more goals, and that cost us top four football. Who were the players that lacked commitment, out of interest? Because I've yet to see people peddling this narrative actually coming up with names.
 
You've missed the point. The manager isn't right by default simply by virtue of winning something in the past.

Why not just trust him for now? Or at least trust him until he does something as outlandish as selling them both. It's like me saying I trust SAF and then you asking "would you have no problems with SAF if he sold Giggs and Scholes?"
 
This thread has shocked me. I honestly though the posters on this forum had atleast half a brain when it came to football and management. The interview from Mourinho is spot on, exactly what SAF would be doing right now with the club and players in it's current state. There's people here that think we should be babying these 200k/wk footballers...you can all feck right off! I've never seen so many fecking dick head pansies in one thread.
 
I wonder how many of the people moaning about players being called out are the same people who come out with the "if Keane was still here" stuff.
 
Think @Sandikan needs to see this.

Honestly, its clear after the past three years that our dressing room isn't right. A poison has seeped into the club. The influence of agents and entourage is higher than it ever was under Fergie.

Sir Alex was happy to turn down talented players because he wasn't willing to give their entourage an opening into the club. People talk about Mendes but he always played a straight bat with Man Utd. There are others, we know who they are, who go running to the Sun and the Mail the second their client/mate has a gripe. Its happened under three managers in a row now, it has to end if we're going to get back to where we should be.

I am willing to back Jose doing whatever it takes to make sure, when he does go, the manager is the most important man at Man Utd again.
Agree massively here. Think the club in general has just taken a wrong turn since Fergie left and so many thing have gone against what we stood for before. We started throwing money at big names to make headlines and all that, cared more about the sponsorships and how to make more money instead of how to progress as a club. Many fans includong myself thought it didnt really matter in the end, but it just feels wrong seeing it and it seems like a distraction to everyone. All that includes agebts. Started giving into whatever agents wanted, spending ridiculous amounts of money and giving players ridiculous wages even if they didnt deserve it. The result is a lot of players, mercenaries as we would call them when they went to city, who just arent 100% committed. Not all the signings have been like that of course, and I do think Mourinho is a bit like Sir Alex in his mentality. So I am more then willing to give Mou full control to basically get the club back on track, and if that means a huge clear out then so be it. Keep those who are willing to give 100% every game, who want to be here and those who dont crumble under the expectation. Fergie might have shifted a bit too much toward having mentally strong players instead of talent on the pitch by the end, but it worked for him. And we also had a few great players so it worked for him. Its no wonder that we have been so bad when conceding the opening goal in recent years, too many on the pitch are usually content with moving on to the next game instead of showing resilience and believing they can come back, and I think Mourinho sees it the same way. Wouldnt surprise me at all to see Mourinho be a lot more consistent with his selections and stick with a core group from now on who he can trust to be resilient and not crumble under a bit of pressure. For the rest, they have to show they can change in training first and fight theyre way into the team instead of having people complain on twitter or whatever.
 
Jose is really going for the jugular isnt he?! High risk strategy this, publicly criticising players every week.
We have half a billion spent in players. Do they play like that?
How about Jose says nice things about them when they start to play like they're expected.
 
Look let's be honest, most our players are pussies.

There are very few of them now that are not physical cowards or mentally weak.

You can't point to one truly great player who shirked playing time, yet you can point to hundreds of has been players who will never be rembered for anything because they didn't put it in or didn't turn out.

This is a competition that requires drive, commitment, physical bravery, mental toughness, ability to cope with stress, pressure, expectation and and everything that goes with it.

They can all play football and are all very talented for the most part, but they aren't winners.
 
Jose may turn out to be a complete disaster for us but I am happy that he is not going to some of the players take him down ,at least some of the players who enjoy this crazy fan love shall be exposed.
 
It is great that people are question the maturity of the players while praising the passive aggressive mindgames from Mourinho.
 
To an extent, but our goals output in itself in 05-06 never really changed that much once we ditched RVN for Saha instead. We did improve in 06-07 but that was probably as much down to Ronaldo massively improving as a player than anything else - he scored plenty of goals for a winger (which he was at the time), and created many too. Getting rid of RVN may have been correct in hindsight but I think it's a bit revisionist to say it was ditching him that fixed our problems.
Total Goals Scored by United in the season:
2005-06: 100
2006-07: 123
and you confirmed my point that it was only once we got rid of him, United could unleash Ronaldo-Saha-Rooney. Just like Berbatov, Nistelrooy was a hindrance in our speed in the final third and counter attacking football in his final days.
If our defence wasn't injured in Semi Final, who knows we might have won the Champions League that season as well.
 
Total Goals Scored by United in the season:
2005-06: 100
2006-07: 123
and you confirmed my point that it was only once we got rid of him, United could unleash Ronaldo-Saha-Rooney.
If our defence wasn't injured in Semi Final, who knows we might have won the Champions League that season as well.

Well...no, not really, Ronaldo going from an exciting young talent to one of the best players in the world wasn't exclusively down to getting rid of RVN. It was a correct decision in hindsight but I don't think it was some masterstroke of judgment from Fergie.
 
We have half a billion spent in players. Do they play like that?
How about Jose says nice things about them when they start to play like they're expected.
No they dont play like that but publicly calling out players is high risk. I hope he knows what he is doing.
 
Jose mentioned great players of the past who had the guts/mentality...thought straight away about Keane.
There was some talk when he started that Keane may be invited to teh backroom staff.

Wont be a bad idea to sort through the softies.
 
It is great that people are question the maturity of the players while praising the passive aggressive mindgames from Mourinho.

If you don't like passive aggressive mindgames you must have fecking hated fergie.
 
So still no clarity on who those players were? I think it could be smalling too? He mentions people around players, it cannot be raiola with henrikh because that would be upsetting 3 players with one agent. I think Shaw is one, maybe Memphis is another one, smalling the third?
 
It's obviously relevant to my point which was that a managers past record doesn't mean his every decision right now is the correct one. And Mourinho last season proved that himself otherwise he wouldn't have that gigantuc turd of a season at Chelsea. Nor the start he's made at United in fact.
So a total rookie manager has just as much chance of making the correct managerial decisions as an experienced serial winner of football's highest honours? Well then what are you waiting for, whack off your CV to Ed Woodward pronto! Of course you would reference Mourinho's last season at Chelsea, it's all you can do really, as if it wasn't a total one-off and probably due to a whole cacophony of issues that will never be brought to public light and as if it completely erases the many many years of success he had alongside this. Klopp had a far worse half season than Mourinho at Dortmund so presumably he's even more useless?

I'm sure you disagree but I don't believe the winner of the 2014-2015 Premier League has forgotten how he won it.
 
I wonder how many of the people moaning about players being called out are the same people who come out with the "if Keane was still here" stuff.

Nope, I like Belichick or Zimmer, they just destroy their players in the locker room when needed, they don't need cameras.
 
We all talk about how great Herrera is and how passionate he is etc. Look how Mourinho praises him all the time. I think he wants all his players to show the same heart and determination as him on the pitch. Wouldn't we all want this? Let Mourinho do his thing, it's about time our squad got brought to task, they've been letting us down for the last few years.
 
I'm sorry but this is shite. LVG suffered from playing a dull, stifling style of football which restricted players and left us with an embarrassingly low number of goals last season, and from relying upon a player who is physically past it as our main creative outlet at the expense of better players.

We actually often delivered in big games under LVG: notably against Liverpool on multiple occasions and in the FA Cup final. LVG could've changed his tactics if he wanted to and tried to improve us through doing so, but he was stubborn, unwilling to adapt to a system which would bring us more goals, and that cost us top four football. Who were the players that lacked commitment, out of interest? Because I've yet to see people peddling this narrative actually coming up with names.
Spot on.
 
I wonder how many of the people moaning about players being called out are the same people who come out with the "if Keane was still here" stuff.

If Keane was here and Shaw refused to play because of his poorly leg Keane would have ripped his leg off and beat him to death with it and so on.
 
Well...no, not really, Ronaldo going from an exciting young talent to one of the best players in the world wasn't exclusively down to getting rid of RVN. It was a correct decision in hindsight but I don't think it was some masterstroke of judgment from Fergie.
I would strongly disagree. Getting rid of RVN was vital as it gave the opportunity to Luis Saha playing at No.9 who was more mobile than RVN. That was the whole point of Ferguson when he first started preferring Saha over RVN. Even though its the Final of Carling cup which made the headlines about RVN exit but the truth is that Ferguson started playing Saha over RVN in the last few matches.

RVN was only a target man in his final days at United, while Ronaldo got the opportunity to play on the left and was allowed to be more free & pick his own position. In the following year 2007-08, we again didn't sign a proper No.9 but another No.10 (Tevez). Ronaldo continued to groom in that similar role and became the World Player of the Year.
 
It's fairly well known that Mourinho expects his players to be willing to play through pain and hasn't much time for anyone who is constantly playing with niggles. That was supposed to be one of the reasons his best Chelsea sides had so few injuries, with players like Lampard playing so many consecutive games. I think it's reasonable too. Up to a point. I'm sure that apparently unbreakable players like Lampard, Evra and Ronaldo are as much about mental toughness as any kind of physical advantage.

Having said all that, it would be a little uncool if Luke Shaw is the player he's talking about. A horrific injury like he went through could almost cause PTSD. So he should be cut more slack than most if he's not the most confident about playing through pain.
 
Jose is laying down the law and rejecting the player power that has swamped the club since Fergie left. 'That is not my culture'. He's letting the players know that its his way or the highway, and it's about time they heard that.

It's up to the players to respond and show that they can meet the levels that he demands. The problem with paying huge money for young players is they think that they have made it, and assume they will start every week because of the price tag and wages. Jose is letting them know that signing for us is just the start, and that they need to raise their efforts even higher to sustain a place in the team.