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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Red Defence said:
Theresa May was quite critical about him too. Maybe you missed that.
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You know how theresa may is. At one point shes remainer, at another point she is a leaver. At one point she's ridiculing some idiot in parliament about some water pumps from Germany. At another point she appoints him foreign secretary. Trump might think that since she criticized him he might as well be kissing his arse pretty soon. Also trump is best buddies with mr brexit. He might even offer him a job
 
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devilish said:
You know how theresa may is. At one point shes remainer, at another point she is a leaver. At one point she's ridiculing some idiot in parliament about some water pumps from Germany. At another point she appoints him foreign secretary. Trump might think that since she criticized him he might as well be kissing his arse pretty soon. Also trump is best buddies with mr brexit. He might even offer him a job
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Arse kissing isn't her thing. Surprised you hadn't noticed.
 
Red Defence said:
Arse kissing isn't her thing. Surprised you hadn't noticed.
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Maybe you have missed alot what she said which contrasts greatly to what shes doing. By the end of her political career you will probably surprised of the number of uturns she will keep on doing. Its quite a long list already.
 
Red Defence said:
U-turns are not arse kissing.
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Well lets agree to disagree. Thatcher would have put her party in place and she would have done what she thought was good for the country. May is far from a thatcher
 
Red Defence said:
Give over. She doesn't act like that and you know it.
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In the past week alone she's been gushing over both India and the US and had the Chinese VP over for some lovely trade talks where Hammond promised a 'golden era' of relations.

She has to do it - she knows she needs a deal out of some and or all of them - but she's been globally kissing arse since she got the job.

Its not a criticism, and anyone in her shoes dealt her hand would have to do it, but it is what it is.
 
NinjaFletch said:
In the past week alone she's been gushing over both India and the US and had the Chinese VP over for some lovely trade talks where Hammond promised a 'golden era' of relations.

She has to do it - she knows she needs a deal out of some and or all of them - but she's been globally kissing arse since she got the job.

Its not a criticism, and anyone in her shoes dealt her hand would have to do it, but it is what it is.
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There was some things she could have done better. For example she could have avoided putting davis and boris in such powerful roles. The country needs and deserves better then them
 
devilish said:
There was some things she could have done better. For example she could have avoided putting davis and boris in such powerful roles. The country needs and deserves better then them
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Oh don't get me wrong, in general I think she's doing a terrible job, but on this one specific issue she's doing what she has to do which is suck up her pride and go begging.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Oh don't get me wrong, in general I think she's doing a terrible job, but on this one specific issue she's doing what she has to do which is suck up her pride and go begging.
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The uk shouldn't beg. A strong pm would go to Brussels and clearly say that the uk wants a deal similar to Switzerland. Trade deals can be signed and while freedom of movement will remain Reforms on welfare benefits will make the uk less attractive to immigrants.

Now if the xenophobics want to go toe to toe in a generation election so be it. I am sure the tory, labor and snp can join forces to keep ukip at bay
 
devilish said:
The uk shouldn't beg. A strong pm would go to Brussels and clearly say that the uk wants a deal similar to Switzerland. Trade deals can be signed and while freedom of movement will remain Reforms on welfare benefits will make the uk less attractive to immigrants.

Now if the xenophobics want to go toe to toe in a generation election so be it. I am sure the tory, labor and snp can join forces to keep ukip at bay
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And if and when the EU say no to that?

She doesn't have to pursue these things hard or as a matter of priority, but it can't hurt to build bridges even if its little more than a contingency plan.
 
Red Defence said:
So how old were you then when Thatcher was PM?
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I love history. For example We can sit and talk of the roman empire or ww2 for ages despite i didnt live in those times. They created things called books you know.

There again im noticing youre going personal and since thats a sign of someone losing a comment i will refrain from answering. Ive learnt long ago not to argue with fanboys
 
NinjaFletch said:
And if and when the EU say no to that?

She doesn't have to pursue these things hard or as a matter of priority, but it can't hurt to build bridges even if its little more than a contingency plan.
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I was pretty much involved in politics in the past. Not British politics but in my country. Lets say that from the vibes I get from people who are still very involved in it, is, that freedom of movement is the major stumbling block for a deal. The EU seem to refuse to bulge to the UK request of an ad hoc deal without freedom of movement. The so called cherry picking deal which many people in Europe hate

If the UK can have decent access to the single market then it will be less dependent on trade deals from somewhere else. It won't be in a position of strength (no one can be in a position of strength against the US or China). However it would be in a less position of weakness

There again you're free to not agree with me as its nothing more then an educated guess build up by people who actually work and had worked in Brussels (really worked not like Farage)
 
devilish said:
I love history. For example We can sit and talk of the roman empire or ww2 for ages despite i didnt live in those times. They created things called books you know.

There again im noticing youre going personal and since thats a sign of someone losing a comment i will refrain from answering. Ive learnt long ago not to argue with fanboys
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It was just that you sounded like you didn't know Thatcher that well, that's all.
 
Red Defence said:
It was just that you sounded like you didn't know Thatcher that well, that's all.
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If you ask me, I was hoping that with Cameron, Boris and Gove out of the way, someone will take politics seriously. Instead the UK got a PM who gave the Brexiters three of the most delicate roles in British politics at one of the most delicate periods since WW2. That does sound as smart move politically wise as it provide these gentlemen with plenty of rope to hang themselves. However I was hoping that finally the Tory party would finally take responsibility of the country and take the necessary decisions needed
 
devilish said:
I was pretty much involved in politics in the past. Not British politics but in my country. Lets say that from the vibes I get from people who are still very involved in it, is, that freedom of movement is the major stumbling block for a deal. The EU seem to refuse to bulge to the UK request of an ad hoc deal without freedom of movement. The so called cherry picking deal which many people in Europe hate

If the UK can have decent access to the single market then it will be less dependent on trade deals from somewhere else. It won't be in a position of strength (no one can be in a position of strength against the US or China). However it would be in a less position of weakness

There again you're free to not agree with me as its nothing more then an educated guess build up by people who actually work and had worked in Brussels (really worked not like Farage)
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Well Tusk has said as much in fairness, so its not a huge guess. The issue is whether its on the table for May or not, and because she's being so coy (or perhaps more likely doesn't actually know) it becomes a bit of a moot point until then.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Given that you both seem more comfortable talking to yourselves, or some avatar of Leaver which suits your preconceptions, i'm not sure that there is a great deal of point in continuing this.



Some days ago a poster asked how the referendum was reflected among constituencies, well this tweet from Change Britain breaks down the numbers:

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It was me. I was wondering, given the different wards in parliament to the referendum, how the result would change in a free vote. As suspected, it would be even more leave.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Well Tusk has said as much in fairness, so its not a huge guess. The issue is whether its on the table for May or not, and because she's being so coy (or perhaps more likely doesn't actually know) it becomes a bit of a moot point until then.
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Well i've heard that from people whom I doubt are within Tusk inner circle. No one in Europe wants to screw the Brits up. What they don't want is cherry picking. Which I think its fair enough. The EU offers a wide variety of deals from membership, to semi membership (EEA), to close collaboration (the Swiss model) right to a trade deal plus (ie like Turkey who works in the custom union) and a simple trade deal (ex Canada). Just choose an off the shelf option and stick to it.
 
devilish said:
The uk shouldn't beg. A strong pm would go to Brussels and clearly say that the uk wants a deal similar to Switzerland. Trade deals can be signed and while freedom of movement will remain Reforms on welfare benefits will make the uk less attractive to immigrants.

Now if the xenophobics want to go toe to toe in a generation election so be it. I am sure the tory, labor and snp can join forces to keep ukip at bay
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isn't that pretty much the deal cameron struck before the referendum, which the country as a whole universally mocked?
 
Nytram Shakes said:
isn't that pretty much the deal cameron struck before the referendum, which the country as a whole universally mocked?
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Moaners and populists will mock either way. If May manages to get access to the single market while controlling freedom of movement then they will criticise her for conceding the things she conceded to get that deal. Its how they work. Its up for the PM to put national interest ahead of everything and do what she's been asked to do ie govern
 
Nytram Shakes said:
isn't that pretty much the deal cameron struck before the referendum, which the country as a whole universally mocked?
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To be fair, it was time bound and not all-encompassing in terms of benefits. If he had gotten a deal on the lines of what devilish mentions in his quote, a lot of tory right and labour left/greens would have taken it.

Also, the Swiss have the ability to do their own deals outside of the EU. If the UK can get such a deal they should take it without any consideration.
 
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It seems Alain Juppe will close the UK border post at Calais if he wins the elections, an uncomfortable consequence of Brexit, he says. Now there's a surprise.
 
This must be the biggest 'no surprises there' moment since the referendum decision.

If it looks like they're clueless, if they seem like they're clueless, they are clueless. The government has so far been winging it Boris style where a lot of rhetoric and words come out but little concrete in terms of constructive plans.

You have to wonder how long this debacle can keep going on.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Projecting your image of Leavers, and those with a differing stance on immigration policy, certainly does seem to be all that matters to you. Unfortunately, my response did not conform with your prejudices.

Brexiteers will be far happier when the UK is operating a global immigration policy, and one which allows us to stem the increases of recent times. The EU immigration figure is totally disproportionate, its workers easier to replace over time.
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You don't like foreign people do you?

I do, the more the merrier.
 
I hear the same kind of nonsense on my FB feed all the time, people who have never moved out of their home town and proudly don't know or care about the rest of the world proclaiming that everyone wants to come to the UK and that no matter what barriers we put up we'll just be able to cherry pick the best of the best. Given the noises coming from highly skilled foreign professionals in the UK currently, a lot of people are going to get a very nasty shock soon.
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...minister-mary-mitchell-o-connor-a7416821.html

Dr Fox has led the Cabinet faction pushing for a hard Brexit, which would see the UK leave both the single market and the customs union, in order to strike trade deals with non-EU countries.

According to The Irish Times, Ms Mitchell O’Connor told the subcommittee that Dr Fox left her with the impression of a divorcing husband who wants to keep the family home and all other assets after the split.

He said he expected to maintain access to the single market, while introducing curbs on immigration – despite EU leaders insisting such a deal will not be possible.

And he is understood to have argued that, if access to the single market is refused, the EU would have to pay compensation to countries, such as South Korea, with which the EU has a free trade deal.

Compensation would have to be paid because the market for South Korea would shrink if Britain was no longer a part of it.

Ms Mitchell O’Connor’s comments are said to have provoked laughter from other Irish ministers, while reflecting concern about British expectations for the EU negotiations.
 
Dan said:
'There is no plan' for Brexit, leaked memo says

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37983948
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Most people knew this to be fair. It's easy to play on the fears of millions of voters by offering simplistic views and solutions to complex issues until you actually have to implement a plan to execute. 2016 can't end fast enough for me. It sucked.
 
Il Prete Rosso said:
Most people knew this to be fair. It's easy to play on the fears of millions of voters by offering simplistic views and solutions to complex issues until you actually have to implement a plan to execute. 2016 can't end fast enough for me. It sucked.
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Are you sure you're looking forward with hope for 2017?
 
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