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Yes but he's an influential eu pm that was against junk being appointed until a visit to merkel made him see the light

That's how politics work. Now Rutte and the VVD will once again trying to win back Wilder's voters in the lead up to the election. They're like cameleons these politicians.
 
That's how politics work. Now Rutte and the VVD will once again trying to win back Wilder's voters in the lead up to the election. They're like cameleons these politicians.

Typically heard from dutch people pulling up to a bad driver.

"Yeah i thought so, a towel head"

Even my GF says this, its not a one off and i have never heard this in the UK
 
I think Rutte is an absolute tw@t! The only ones I think are half decent at the moment are the leaders of the D66 and the SP.

We're proper fecked, I can 100% guarantee you those two clowns are actually worse than Rutte, and not just a little bit. Pechtold is a sociopath (I once fell into that trap, so I can see where you're coming from) and Roemer is a parody on a politician, should've remained a primary school teacher. He's a nice guy, but what he wants is impossible, and the world seriously needs a properly skilled politician - can you imagine him stepping up to Trump?

The only half decent politician and human being at the moment is Ahmed Aboutaleb, but I'd rather move to Sudan than vote for his party, and it's still unclear whether he remains mayor of Rotterdam, since he just started his second term and some other wankers are fighing for the top spot at PvdA. If they made Aboutaleb their #1, they would actually have a very serious chance of smashing Wilders, nearly all experts agree on this, but at PvdA they won't do this, basically because some other impopular but influential guys are too power hungry, which says everything about them.

So I figured I'd vote for the Pirates, just like last time, but their new #1 is now some blonde ex kink model, heard a interview on the radio with her that made me puke. So like I said, we're proper fecked, just like pretty much half of the world.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Aboutaleb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Aboutaleb
Seriously, if he'd become electable I might just do it regardless of my feelings towards his party.
 
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Did the Italian economy minister really just say that he felt insulted by the low intellectual level of the talks with Boris Johnson? Oh my :lol:
Seriously, he should just resign. Bad start, clearly out of his depth.
 
Did the Italian economy minister really just say that he felt insulted by the low intellectual level of the talks with Boris Johnson? Oh my :lol:
Seriously, he should just resign. Bad start, clearly out of his depth.

He's Trumpesque then? Or was Trump Borisesque? At any rate, it's worrying how so many politicians these days can get away with simply shouting and posturing about issues rather than actually trying to sensibly discuss or solve them.
 
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Did the Italian economy minister really just say that he felt insulted by the low intellectual level of the talks with Boris Johnson? Oh my :lol:
Seriously, he should just resign. Bad start, clearly out of his depth.

I just read it and I don't like this type of comment to the press, lets stay classy.

Now, we need to put a myth down. The EC has been created/signed by the Maastricht treaty in 1993 and freedom of movement by the Schengen agreement in 1985(it started 1995), as a part of the EC the Schengen agreement is among the pillars of the EU.
 



I've read plenty of your posts over the summer and based on what you've written I can only conclude that I think you're a chauvinist and that you don't like foreigners. Sorry, but that's what I think based upon the many posts I've read off you. I understand why you and many millions more in the U.K. might feel that way. But, I don't think it's right. It's sad that so many people feel this way.

If you are going to stand by such a ludicrous position, even with the benefit of time to think it over, i can but conclude that you hold more prejudice toward me, than i to any foreigner. Whilst the irony is of some wry amusement, i also feel sorry for you.
 
Here's an MP asking for an ELI5 version months after the vote:

“For the purposes of this question, I am not worried about transitional arrangements, I am prepared to take the economic hit or to secure the economic benefits of not being inside the single market and being outside the customs union. I simply want the divorce on the quickest possible terms. What do I need in that quickie divorce?”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...inisters-boris-johnson-prosecco-claim-brexit?
 
Apparently, UKIP used £500,000 of EU money to campaign against the EU, and is now being asked to pay it back.
 
Farage should refund his MEP salary and expenses - he even got an increase in Sterling because of the exchange rate - no use to the Uk or the EU - conman and opportunist

Farage himself is one of the biggest skivers from parliamentary sessions. He is ranked 746th out of 751 MEPs when it comes to voting on things.
 





If you are going to stand by such a ludicrous position, even with the benefit of time to think it over, i can but conclude that you hold more prejudice toward me, than i to any foreigner. Whilst the irony is of some wry amusement, i also feel sorry for you.


Statements by you on matters such as immigration and the EU have lead to my "prejudice" about you. And don't feel sorry for me, I certainly don't feel sorry for you.
 





If you are going to stand by such a ludicrous position, even with the benefit of time to think it over, i can but conclude that you hold more prejudice toward me, than i to any foreigner. Whilst the irony is of some wry amusement, i also feel sorry for you.

Linked to the value of the pound having dropped like a rock? People will be wary of what little savings they have being worth less and rather spend then watch it lose value.
 
Linked to the value of the pound having dropped like a rock? People will be wary of what little savings they have being worth less and rather spend then watch it lose value.

There's no point arguing. It seems that a large part of society only want to believe what they want to believe. Objective and rational reasoning counts for little nowadays it seems. Facts are twisted all the time. People will take any old tripe published on social media as a given as well.
 
> Retail sales jumping in holiday season
> Quell surprise!

October is not the holiday season.

It is good news, Brexit or no. Even if some here would sooner dine from a menu of negativity.


Linked to the value of the pound having dropped like a rock? People will be wary of what little savings they have being worth less and rather spend then watch it lose value.

The results, which are better then economists had predicted, have been attributed to Autumn being...well Autumnal. As well as Halloween sales towards the ends the month.


Statements by you on matters such as immigration and the EU have lead to my "prejudice" about you. And don't feel sorry for me, I certainly don't feel sorry for you.

Where i call for reforms of the system with which non-EU applicants presently contend? Where i've said that we should have taken in more asylum seekers this year, and criticised the Home Office? The petitions i've posted for migrant causes? There is more to this debate than your little European corner, you know.

Perhaps you are following an alternative definition of xenophobe: one can longer be considered a tolerant and nice human being, unless they accept the EU's FoM principle.
 
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You give the impression of not really liking anyone, so I'm not sure why you'd give foreigners a free pass. :p

I dislike many politicians, some foreign some not. And I can't figure out why some want them to make decisions on our behalf.
 
October is not the holiday season.

It is good news, Brexit or no. Even if some here would sooner dine from a menu of negativity.




The results, which are better then economists had predicted, have been attributed to Autumn being...well Autumnal. As well as Halloween sales towards the ends the month.




Where i call for reforms of the system with which non-EU applicants presently contend? Where i've said that we should have taken in more asylum seekers this year, and criticised the Home Office? The petitions i've posted for migrant causes? There is more to this debate than your little European corner, you know.

I am a naturally open-minded and compassionate person, so i do hope that one day you will be less narrow in your outlook.

Maybe it's the things you said such as blaming the state of Britain's public services and infra structure on immigration? How you defended the leave campaign's promises such as on NHS spending? Or maybe on things such as how you've claimed that the EU is Germany's puppet and that Germany and France are conspiring to take over Europe by the back door? Or even your post Brexit blind optimism about the British economy and your denial of the long term damaging effects caused by the devaluation of Sterling?
 
I dislike many politicians, some foreign some not. And I can't figure out why some want them to make decisions on our behalf.

Politicians are always going to make decisions on your behalf. All Brexit means in the short/medium term is that the politicians making those decisions will be the kind loving Tory ones, not those nasty European ones that want to impose evil things like strong workers rights on us.
 
Politicians are always going to make decisions on your behalf. All Brexit means in the short/medium term is that the politicians making those decisions will be the kind loving Tory ones, not those nasty European ones that want to impose evil things like strong workers rights on us.

Strong workers rights? Maybe if you are fortunate enough not to live in the southern eurozone and actually have a job. The EU is a big business project and has been since the off (Jean Monnet was a Wall Street banker). There's a reason the hard left like Corbyn (and Benn before him) are against it.

Personally I wanted to remain and I can't stand Corbyn but let's not build the EU into something it's not.
 
Strong workers rights? Maybe if you are fortunate enough not to live in the southern eurozone and actually have a job. The EU is a big business project and has been since the off (Jean Monnet was a Wall Street banker). There's a reason the hard left like Corbyn (and Benn before him) are against it.

Personally I wanted to remain and I can't stand Corbyn but let's not build the EU into something it's not.
Just off the top of my head, working hour maximums (and minimum breaks) were improved because of the EU.
 
Just off the top of my head, working hour maximums (and minimum breaks) were improved because of the EU.

No doubt they improve at the micro level but the overall picture is large unemployment in the South (due to the euro straight jacket) and depressed wages in the West (the effect of immigration from the East).