Milner would genuinely improve us, although it's a short-term solution. Other than that - can be argued that Matip and Coutinho are good enough to start for us, but I wouldn't have take either of them (nor would I take Milner though)
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The fact that so many people are arguing over the Valencia/Clyne inclusion shows that it's pretty close. If we were to play a game tomorrow, irregardless of injuries:
de Gea
RB - Bailly - Matip - Milner
Carrick
Pogba - Lallana
Mané - Ibrahimovic - Mkhitaryan
RB - Bailly - Matip - Milner
Carrick
Pogba - Lallana
Mané - Ibrahimovic - Mkhitaryan
I'm surprised people have included Mkhitarian already. He has played 5 games, scoring 2 goals and 0 assists. I really rate him as a player, but he hasn't showed enough to be ahead of Lallana (7 goals and 7 assists) Mane (9 goals and 4 assists) and Coutinho (5 goals and 5 assists).
Herrera is better than Lallana in my opinion. Tough one to leave Miki and Mata out, I think at least one if not both should be in that team.
Valencia by a mile for me.
Milner over any of our left backs? Really? No thanks
Bailly isn't with the team
DDG
Valencia Bailly Matip Clyne
Herrera
Pogba Coutinho
Mane/Mkhi Ibrahimovic Firmino
Valencia Bailly Matip Clyne
Herrera
Pogba Coutinho
Mane/Mkhi Ibrahimovic Firmino
Sorry, I just meant how the players are playing right now. So irregardless of injuries and AFCON I guess.
I imagine he was trying to base it on form, or in the sense that certain players may have been performing at a higher level than their perceived ability compared to others, which is why they were picked.
As others have said, a lot depends on the systems, which are reasonably different, from a midfield/attack point of view at least.
As others have said, a lot depends on the systems, which are reasonably different, from a midfield/attack point of view at least.
I prefer Herrera but based on this season, Lallana has contributed more goals from midfield. Liverpool score a fair bit more than us, thats why I put their attackers in the side over ours. Mkhitaryan's season has only really just started. 5 games.
Hopefullly when we come to do this next season it'll be full of Utd players. But Liverpool have done well at the half way stage.
How many of those appearances for the Liverpool players were as subs for 10-20 minutes? Because about half, at least, of Mkhi's have been, one of his starts he was injured. He's a game changer in every sense.
Too many people are listening to the scouse propaganda concerning Matip. Jones right now has been better than Matip has ever been, it's simply because he's the best of a Scouse bad bunch. When they cry about missing him it's not because he's a great player, it's due to him being slightly less donkey-ish.
If they signed Willaims or Evans in the summer we would be hearing the same thing. Thats before you add In the ability x10 boost when he's laying in the physio room and we've got a legendary player on our hands.
If they signed Willaims or Evans in the summer we would be hearing the same thing. Thats before you add In the ability x10 boost when he's laying in the physio room and we've got a legendary player on our hands.
I find it odd that Clyne is getting in over Valencia who has been part of a much better defensive unit whilst offering great attacking threat.
Clyne is also average.
Clyne is also average.
This season, yes without a doubt.
Long term, Shaw. If he can come back from his problems.
Brede Hangeland (former Fulham, Crystal Palace and captain for Norway) has given his best XI as well:
De Gea
Valencia - Matip - Jones - Milner
Henderson - Lallana - Pogba
Mkhitaryan - Zlatan - Coutinho
De Gea
Valencia - Matip - Jones - Milner
Henderson - Lallana - Pogba
Mkhitaryan - Zlatan - Coutinho
Well, when we come to the end of the season he might be considered among the best players in the league, but for me he has not shown it yet. And when he was on the bench for various reasons the front players of Liverpool were producing. If Mkhiki produce to his potential for the rest of the season he can be in the conversation, but right now his inclusion got a touch of 'new toy' feel about it, just like people would probably have included Martial 5 games after he joined United.
Thats actually a very neutral view on it. I dont think I can have any arguments with that, other than Mané. I think hes ahead of Mata and Mhik. But yeah no complaints here.
That's a fair team apart from Clyne, Valencia has clearly been better this season.
de Gea
Valencia Jones Rojo Milner
Carrick
Lallana Pogba
Mkhitaryan Ibrahimovic Coutinho
Easy.Valencia Jones Rojo Milner
Carrick
Lallana Pogba
Mkhitaryan Ibrahimovic Coutinho
Based on ability...
------------De Gea--------------
Valenica--Bailey--Smalling---Shaw
-------------Carrick---------------
-------Herrera------Pogba--------
Mkhitaryan-Ibrahimovic-Coutinho
Utds squad is one of the best in the league for me on ability. People don't understand that ability isn't everything that team and tactics are more fundamental.
Based on form...
--------------De Gea--------------
Valencia---Jones----Rojo---Milner
--------------Carrick--------------
-------Herrera--------Pogba------
Mane-------Ibrahimovic----Mkhitaryan
This might have been different afew weeks ago and there's afew positions under debate. Mane/coutinho/mkhitaryan/martial could all interchange depending on form. Liverpools defence is still very poor for me with only matip looking like he's anything like good enough.
Seen some people on here favour liverpools team greatly, think that's gonna get shown up this weekend with Utd proving that with their extra ability Liverpool will be no match. 3-1 I reckon
------------De Gea--------------
Valenica--Bailey--Smalling---Shaw
-------------Carrick---------------
-------Herrera------Pogba--------
Mkhitaryan-Ibrahimovic-Coutinho
Utds squad is one of the best in the league for me on ability. People don't understand that ability isn't everything that team and tactics are more fundamental.
Based on form...
--------------De Gea--------------
Valencia---Jones----Rojo---Milner
--------------Carrick--------------
-------Herrera--------Pogba------
Mane-------Ibrahimovic----Mkhitaryan
This might have been different afew weeks ago and there's afew positions under debate. Mane/coutinho/mkhitaryan/martial could all interchange depending on form. Liverpools defence is still very poor for me with only matip looking like he's anything like good enough.
Seen some people on here favour liverpools team greatly, think that's gonna get shown up this weekend with Utd proving that with their extra ability Liverpool will be no match. 3-1 I reckon
God is herrera underrated at times, never have I seen a player be such an engine to the united midfield, we talk about Pogba, herrera is one of the highest interceptions in the PL game today, he does the hard graft that allows Pogba to drive at teams. I would not swap any of our midfield 3 and front 2 of Mkhi and zlatan, mane would get on one side, but matrial be quiet happy on the other side. With liverpools leaking defense, who would take liverpools backline? the way united are looking its hard to press how many liverpool players would get into the team. Yes liverpool are higher up the table, souness must be high if he thinks that liverpool midfield he would choose over united's, especially pogba and herrera. You can't get any better than carrick, herrera and pogba, its just a combination with so much to give its built to face anyone. We add ability and perfect team tactics Jose is combining, its now showing united if they kept their nerve in those dropped points, we be 10 or more so better off in the table
Can anyone say if a gun was pointed to their head, would anyone choose that liverpool spine? over the current united spine, in current form, current system, individuals, and the power both sides have got, united do have more in the locker, that is just the reality.
DDG,
jones, rojo,
carrick,
herrera, pogba,
zlatan
That spine has all the tools to win any game, and keep it tight at the back, because of what is infront of the backline. You build whats around that spine, you got a team that can win trophy's
Can anyone say if a gun was pointed to their head, would anyone choose that liverpool spine? over the current united spine, in current form, current system, individuals, and the power both sides have got, united do have more in the locker, that is just the reality.
DDG,
jones, rojo,
carrick,
herrera, pogba,
zlatan
That spine has all the tools to win any game, and keep it tight at the back, because of what is infront of the backline. You build whats around that spine, you got a team that can win trophy's
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Which manager though?
(I would go for Klopp
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(I would go for Klopp
)No trophies handed out for being 2nd after 20 games.
DDG
Valencia Bailly Smalling Blind
Herrera Carrick Pogba
Mane Ibra Martial
Valencia Bailly Smalling Blind
Herrera Carrick Pogba
Mane Ibra Martial
This season:
De Gea
Valencia Matip Jones Milner
Henderson
Lallana Pogba
Mane Ibrahimovic Coutinho
Overall:Valencia Matip Jones Milner
Henderson
Lallana Pogba
Mane Ibrahimovic Coutinho
De Gea
Clyne Matip Bailly Shaw
Carrick
Coutinho Pogba
Mane Ibrahimovic Mkhitaryan
Clyne Matip Bailly Shaw
Carrick
Coutinho Pogba
Mane Ibrahimovic Mkhitaryan
Yeah, this thread was supposed to be based on this seasons form (i.e. who would be the best players on the pitch you could pick tomorrow) but what ever I should have said that in the OP 
If I'm offered both squads, everyone 100% fit and available for selection I'd go with...
De Gea
Valencia - Bailly - Matip - Blind
Carrick
Coutinho - Pogba
Mkhitaryan - Zlatan - Martial
Valencia - Bailly - Matip - Blind
Carrick
Coutinho - Pogba
Mkhitaryan - Zlatan - Martial
Karius
Darmian - Klavan - Lovren - Moreno
Lucas
Can - Fellaini
Lingard - Sturridge - Young
Darmian - Klavan - Lovren - Moreno
Lucas
Can - Fellaini
Lingard - Sturridge - Young
I still have high hopes for Shaw and overall i think he's a much better left back than Millner
It's bizarre. I actually think Clyne is below average. Very poor player altogether.
Based on this season's form:
De Gea
Valencia - Matip - Jones - Milner
Carrick
Lallana - Pogba
Mane - Ibra - Coutinho
In terms of balance though you couldn't play that midfield. I'd also be surprised if Jones held that position until the end of the season and Mkhi didn't force his way in to the combined 11 eventually.
De Gea
Valencia - Matip - Jones - Milner
Carrick
Lallana - Pogba
Mane - Ibra - Coutinho
In terms of balance though you couldn't play that midfield. I'd also be surprised if Jones held that position until the end of the season and Mkhi didn't force his way in to the combined 11 eventually.
Swap coutinho with herrera, martial for mane, matip for smalling, maybe shaw for blind if he regains what he is capable of, and we got a starting 11
when all said and done everyone focused
DDG
valencia, bailly, smalling, shaw
carrick,
herrera,pogba
Mkhi, zlatan, mane
In Liverpool's tactics:
-------------De Gea----------
--Valencia--Matip-Jones--Milner--
------------Henderson---------
-------Herrera-----Lallana-----
----Mane----Firmino----Coutinho---
* Henderson suits Klopp's system better than the 35 yo version of Carrick. No Pogba either because, if he was in the team, he'd be in Lallana's place as the more advanced midfielder. I have my opinion about who's the better player overall but when our Liverpool friends on here argue that Lallana (7 goals & 7 assists) has been integral to their team's campaign thus far, it's hard to disagree with them. But Herrera, as one of the players with the most interceptions/balls won in the attacking half in the PL, seems like a perfect fit for this high pressing Liverpool side.
* Zlatan could really help them when the high pressing hasn't bore fruit and they revert to circling possession and working out openings in the attacking half. But Firmino as a false nine has really been a revelation for them with his off the ball movement. They are good going forward and, as they say, "if it ain't broken, don't fix it". Furthermore, Zlatan isn't really compatible with Klopp's gegenpressing and, despite his obvious quality, i doubt he would have fitted well in their basic attacking plan.
In United's tactics:
--------------De Gea-----------
--Valencia--Matip-Jones--Milner--
--------------Carrick------------
-------Herrera-----Pogba------
--Mane------Zlatan---Coutinho--
* Carrick with his ability to dictate tempo from a deeper position and with the defensive solidity his positional awareness can offer in the spaces between the two b2b midfielders and the back four gets the nod in Mourinho's tactics. Pogba starts ahead of Lallana because United want their furthest midfielder to play as a play maker whose ability on the ball in tight spaces will get the best of the runs the front three will provide. Lallana's primary objective is to take advantage of the spaces the attacking players create and offer end product. Both are good at what they're doing, it's just that they do different things.
* Mane and Coutinho over Mkhitaryan, Mata and Martial based solely on form this season.
-------------De Gea----------
--Valencia--Matip-Jones--Milner--
------------Henderson---------
-------Herrera-----Lallana-----
----Mane----Firmino----Coutinho---
* Henderson suits Klopp's system better than the 35 yo version of Carrick. No Pogba either because, if he was in the team, he'd be in Lallana's place as the more advanced midfielder. I have my opinion about who's the better player overall but when our Liverpool friends on here argue that Lallana (7 goals & 7 assists) has been integral to their team's campaign thus far, it's hard to disagree with them. But Herrera, as one of the players with the most interceptions/balls won in the attacking half in the PL, seems like a perfect fit for this high pressing Liverpool side.
* Zlatan could really help them when the high pressing hasn't bore fruit and they revert to circling possession and working out openings in the attacking half. But Firmino as a false nine has really been a revelation for them with his off the ball movement. They are good going forward and, as they say, "if it ain't broken, don't fix it". Furthermore, Zlatan isn't really compatible with Klopp's gegenpressing and, despite his obvious quality, i doubt he would have fitted well in their basic attacking plan.
In United's tactics:
--------------De Gea-----------
--Valencia--Matip-Jones--Milner--
--------------Carrick------------
-------Herrera-----Pogba------
--Mane------Zlatan---Coutinho--
* Carrick with his ability to dictate tempo from a deeper position and with the defensive solidity his positional awareness can offer in the spaces between the two b2b midfielders and the back four gets the nod in Mourinho's tactics. Pogba starts ahead of Lallana because United want their furthest midfielder to play as a play maker whose ability on the ball in tight spaces will get the best of the runs the front three will provide. Lallana's primary objective is to take advantage of the spaces the attacking players create and offer end product. Both are good at what they're doing, it's just that they do different things.
* Mane and Coutinho over Mkhitaryan, Mata and Martial based solely on form this season.
Of course he has, he plays much further forward than Herrera. Lallana is kind of a hybrid of Herrera and Mkhitaryan (when he's playing on the right) - he's not as good as either of them in their particular positions but, I suspect, neither of them would be as good as Lallana in his position. So the question has to be - are we talking about a team playing our system or a team playing Liverpool's?
You really ought to make better use of that limited post count, mate.
I didn't really go that deep into it, regarding style and coach's set-up etc.
If you pick one, that determines the players really. Cos if we're going with Liverpool's system then there's going to be all Liverpool in attack. Firmino over Zlatan. And the other way around if we're going with our system.
I just picked an XI based on the individuals form this season. Herrera has been excellent but ideally we want more goals from our midfield so I put Lallana in there. Could have easily gone with Ander. Like I could have gone with Jones in defence.
Would normally only take Mane. With Bailly being away I supposed I'd take Matip as well.
Both teams have shit full backs imo. Valencia is probably the best of the lot, and I'd still take Darmian or Blind over Milner. Coutinho is sometimes magnificent, sometimes no presence at all and just a long short merchant.
Both teams have shit full backs imo. Valencia is probably the best of the lot, and I'd still take Darmian or Blind over Milner. Coutinho is sometimes magnificent, sometimes no presence at all and just a long short merchant.
I like this. Herrera would indeed be boss for us in midfield.