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quite interesting how a lot of responses from the EU regarding May's speech seem to be saying we won't let Britain pick at chose which aspects of EU membership they want to keep, when pretty much the main message of Mays speech was she doesnt intend to do that.......
 
It depends on how substitutable German cars are in the consumers' minds, I read somewhere that the car industry was very weird in that domain because people create strong allegiancies with brands.
Yeah maybe. Especially at the premium end, people who can afford Mercs can afford to spend a bit more I imagine. So it wont be as big an effect as it will on Citroens and Renaults. But it will still have some effect. And it might grow if we get into full on protectionism / trade war territory, where people are actively encouraged to "buy British", or as near to it as possible, which in this case would be Nissan. But yeah, Nissan isnt really an equivalent of Merc is it. Tho there are some nice ones on Gran Turismo I notice.
 
Unlike the idiots who thought Trump would make a good president, I have a lot of sympathy for the Brexit voters (even though the arguments made by at least one of them in this thread are having the opposite affect) because they voted on a really difficult, nuanced issue, where you could see a rationale for either option. It basically never should have gone to a referendum. Certainly not a referendum where the result could be decided by a majority as small as this one. Of course, the way Brexit looks like being implemented is a fecking car crash. But they weren't meant to know that when they voted.

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quite interesting how a lot of responses from the EU regarding May's speech seem to be saying we won't let Britain pick at chose which aspects of EU membership they want to keep, when pretty much the main message of Mays speech was she doesnt intend to do that.......
That's exactly what I thought
 

Honest, decent and real.

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quite interesting how a lot of responses from the EU regarding May's speech seem to be saying we won't let Britain pick at chose which aspects of EU membership they want to keep, when pretty much the main message of Mays speech was she doesnt intend to do that.......

But she is saying she wants special arrangements for this and special deal for that.
She is frightened of losing the City, service sector and investment
It's still the cake and eat it plan
 
quite interesting how a lot of responses from the EU regarding May's speech seem to be saying we won't let Britain pick at chose which aspects of EU membership they want to keep, when pretty much the main message of Mays speech was she doesnt intend to do that.......

......whilst simultaneously saying we want to negotiate
 
Why nake them? They already exist, the harbours of Hamburg and Antwerp are not that much smaller than Rotterdam´s.
Well yeah if the worlds 4th busiest port can dump all its traffic in one hit on the 26th busiest, if they are ready to cope.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38658998

Is it wise for a UK politician to link the phrase 'administer punishment beatings' and 'trade deals' as he's on his way to India to talk about trade deals on the UK's behalf? I mean, someone might easily forward the same advice to the Indian government just in case they plan not to give the UK the deal they want. Alternatively Hollande might ask whether the UK is still reluctant to give the Koh-in-Nooh back to its rightful owners. That would surely cause a healthy debate between the Indian PM and the UK foreign secretary.
 
Yeah. Because it's obvious no negotiations are necessary to establish the terms on which Britain leaves the EU.
Perhaps T May just wants to sit down with Claud Junk and discuss the best way to set up a tax haven and how to implement aggressive tax avoidance schemes, after all he is the EU's very own expert on that.
 
But she is saying she wants special arrangements for this and special deal for that.
She is frightened of losing the City, service sector and investment
It's still the cake and eat it plan
course she is frightened of losing the city thats obvious!
but saying she didn't go in saying i expect free trade while no free movement. course she said i want a custom deal, she wasn't gonna go in and say hey we will take whatever deal you want us too that would be daft, but their is a difference between saying hey i'd like to find a balanced deal that helps all sides as much as possible and having your cake and eating it.
Im not a May supporter and i would never vote for her in a million years, but she didn't go give a speech saying i want my cake an eat it.
 
course she is frightened of losing the city thats obvious!
but saying she didn't go in saying i expect free trade while no free movement. course she said i want a custom deal, she wasn't gonna go in and say hey we will take whatever deal you want us too that would be daft, but their is a difference between saying hey i'd like to find a balanced deal that helps all sides as much as possible and having your cake and eating it.
Im not a May supporter and i would never vote for her in a million years, but she didn't go give a speech saying i want my cake an eat it.

Well she wants as much as possible access to single market, she wants full control over borders, she barely want to pay anything for it and if the EU doesn't give her a deal then she will turn the UK into the next Cayman Islands. That's all for the mutual benefit of both EU and UK of course.
 
Well she wants as much as possible access to single market, she wants full control over borders, she barely want to pay anything for it and if the EU doesn't give her a deal then she will turn the UK into the next Cayman Islands. That's all for the mutual benefit of both EU and UK of course.
Except the Cayman Islands have a small population and while we are letting firms not pay their taxes or lower taxes we still have services for our own population to finance from somewhere.
 
A key point. The Tories have often been mistrusted on key issues such as the NHS and education, and they've never quite shirked of the tag as a nasty, privileged party many give them, but their stomping ground, so to speak, has almost always been the economy - Thatcher painted herself as a tough, no nonsense figure coming in to fix Labour's irresponsible mess, and Cameron's Tories painted Labour as fiscally irresponsible during the Blair and Brown era, and aimed to appear more sensible through austerity. They've often created this image of a party that's kind of like a teacher or boss you don't like, but whose authority and ability you can respect all the same.

Brexit blows that out the water. As a party they're jumping into the unknown to an extent and taking a massive, irresponsible plunge, the sort of move they'd persecute an opponent for doing.
The Tories would be in trouble if we weren't a country obsessed with immigration. Everything would be just through that prism and on that front, the Tories are well and good.
 
Well she wants as much as possible access to single market, she wants full control over borders, she barely want to pay anything for it and if the EU doesn't give her a deal then she will turn the UK into the next Cayman Islands. That's all for the mutual benefit of both EU and UK of course.
And thats ok for Junck to do but not may?
 
Well she wants as much as possible access to single market, she wants full control over borders, she barely want to pay anything for it and if the EU doesn't give her a deal then she will turn the UK into the next Cayman Islands. That's all for the mutual benefit of both EU and UK of course.
seriously what did you want her to say? she point black said she know's she can't stay part of the free market, but of course she is going t say id like to negotiate a deal where their are as few tariffs between us as possible.... thats just sensible, what did you want her to say, hey we'd like to give you as much money as possible and take any deal you give us on trade? or where leaving the EU so lets all throw up tariff walls and not try and make a deal? ...... people complaining about that part of the speech wouLd complain about what ever she said.

The tax haven threat for my money was not something i support, but on the other hand apart from that she had given a speech that was if anything too compromising and probably felt she had to make a statement saying hey while we accept we can't have our cake and eat it we won't be pushed around either. But setting up a tax haven is not something i agree with in anyway, and understand why people had issues with that part of the speech.
 
Well she wants as much as possible access to single market, she wants full control over borders, she barely want to pay anything for it and if the EU doesn't give her a deal then she will turn the UK into the next Cayman Islands. That's all for the mutual benefit of both EU and UK of course.
Countries like Malta and the Isle of Man have also established differentiated tax regimes offering almost zero tax rates on profits distributed by parent companies and giving a great advantage to non-resident multinationals.

If its good enuff for Malta...
 
Preferably nothing.
well granted i'd rather her and pretty much everyone involved with British politics say nothing and go live together in a big hole full off spikes, But in all fairness she been criticised for months for not saying her plans so she couldn't really say nothing
 
well granted i'd rather her and pretty much everyone involved with British politics say nothing and go live together in a big hole full off spikes, But in all fairness she been criticised for months for not saying her plans so she couldn't really say nothing

Doesn't seem to have much good to say, so I'm still opting for nothing.
 
well granted i'd rather her and pretty much everyone involved with British politics say nothing and go live together in a big hole full off spikes, But in all fairness she been criticised for months for not saying her plans so she couldn't really say nothing

But do we consider that Johnson and Davies aren't talking for her? They complained about the eventuality of tarrifs, they talked about having access to the single market by paying for it and without FOM.
 
Obviously May's speech was in large part aimed at setting the tone for negotiations (i.e. we want to cooperate but we won't balk at just walking away), but it seems clear that she has taken the referendum as a mandate to leave without any EEA or Swiss-style quasi-membership.

As a remainer, I find it incredible that rights as a shareholder or bondholder in a company are protected by supermajority vote requirements for major issues but, as citizen, the country can change course irreversibly and disregard 40 years of history on the basis of 51.9%.
 
But do we consider that Johnson and Davies aren't talking for her? They complained about the eventuality of tarrifs, they talked about having access to the single market by paying for it and without FOM.
i don't consider Johnson is talking for anyone but himself and try to ignore what he says at all costs and why he is foreign secretary is just mind blowing and beyond stupid...... but what he said what the EU would be insane if they imposed tariffs.
What Davis said in response to a question was that they would consider paying for access to the free market, which is very diffrent to saying we expect access to the free market if we pay for it.
 
The press across the EU are now ripping into May over her speech. Thanks Theresa, this really makes us U.K. citizens living in EU countries feel much more secure, you ridiculous Little Englander mannequin of a human being.
 
Yeah. Because it's obvious no negotiations are necessary to establish the terms on which Britain leaves the EU.

That's the contradiction though isn't it. If we don't get good terms we will walk, she said. Form what? From the things we find is necessary to negotiate before we leave the EU
 
The press across the EU are now ripping into May over her speech. Thanks Theresa, this really makes us U.K. citizens living in EU countries feel much more secure, you ridiculous Little Englander mannequin of a human being.
You're in the wrong country, I'm not hearing anything