Has political correctness actually gone mad?

Pogue Mahone said:
I watched that documentary and it was fascinating. Last night's one was much more provocative but it did ask some important questions, which I thought the Theroux documentary skirted around. Can gender dysphoria be a passing phase? Is it sometimes a response to awakening (homo)sexuality in a culture where we're taught that you should be attracted to a gender different to your own? I'm convinced that for some kids, the answer to one or other of these questions can be "yes" but the transphobia lobby is so powerful that these kids could end up being rail-roaded down a path that doesn't suit them. The doctor in the documentary (who IMHO seemed quite reasonable) was sacked because of one such campaign against him.
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I hate this stuff. The power that social media has these days is dangerous.
 
I once read about a court case featuring a man who sued God for, amongst other things, not giving the plaintiff the guitar skills of Jimi Hendrix.
 
SteveJ said:
I once read about a court case featuring a man who sued God for, amongst other things, not giving the plaintiff the guitar skills of Jimi Hendrix.
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I hope someone pointed out that they were given the exact same hardware, but Hendrix had to learn the guitar.

That's not to say that were he born with no hands then he'd have a case. :lol:
 
2 Man Midfield said:
I hope someone pointed out that they were given the exact same hardware, but Hendrix had to learn the guitar.

That's not to say that were he born with no hands then he'd have a case. :lol:
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Do you refute the existence of innate, "God-given" talent then? You think the difference between Hendrix and other guitarists is purely a question of learning and practice? Presumably someone who had learned the guitar, but was unable to achieve the levels of Hendrix, would have a case? If you believe someone could be said to be "unable" to do that, of course. That would presumably be the basis of the case.
 
Adebesi said:
Do you refute the existence of innate, "God-given" talent then? You think the difference between Hendrix and other guitarists is purely a question of learning and practice? Presumably someone who had learned the guitar, but was unable to achieve the levels of Hendrix, would have a case? If you believe someone could be said to be "unable" to do that, of course. That would presumably be the basis of the case.
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I don't refute the existence of it but it's very difficult to prove. If I put in the effort I could feasibly become as good a player as he was. There's been many since who piss all over him technically but don't have the same passion in their playing, which is another argument.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
I don't refute the existence of it but it's very difficult to prove. If I put in the effort I could feasibly become as good a player as he was. There's been many since who piss all over him technically but don't have the same passion in their playing, which is another argument.
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Where better to have this argument than in the pages of a book about a fictional courtroom drama? Too bad its already been written, or I would add it to my list of things I would sit around thinking of doing, while what I actually do is post on RedCafe.
 
Adebesi said:
Do you refute the existence of innate, "God-given" talent then? You think the difference between Hendrix and other guitarists is purely a question of learning and practice? Presumably someone who had learned the guitar, but was unable to achieve the levels of Hendrix, would have a case? If you believe someone could be said to be "unable" to do that, of course. That would presumably be the basis of the case.
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That's pretty much the conclusion Malcolm Gladwell came to. Although he is often full of shit tbf...
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That's pretty much the conclusion Malcolm Gladwell came to. Although he is often full of shit tbf...
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I disagree with it. I think some people are predisposed to certain things - art, music, football, even things like science and maths - and they have what on RedCafe would be described as a "higher ceiling" than other people. For sure people can gain a certain level of mastery over something by learning it and practicing it. But some people are able to achieve greatness that others can never attain, even without putting as much work in.

If I believed in God I would hold him personally responsible for that. As it is I think we all just have to learn to deal with it. Same as if you happen to be born with a cock, despite feeling like a woman.
 
Adebesi said:
I disagree with it. I think some people are predisposed to certain things - art, music, football, even things like science and maths - and they have what on RedCafe would be described as a "higher ceiling" than other people. For sure people can gain a certain level of mastery over something by learning it and practicing it. But some people are able to achieve greatness that others can never attain, even without putting as much work in.

If I believed in God I would hold him personally responsible for that. As it is I think we all just have to learn to deal with it. Same as if you happen to be born with a cock, despite feeling like a woman.
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Yeah, I think that too. I also think that the ability to graft is as much of a genetic gift as the talent you refer to. Combine the two and boom, superstar.
 
This made me laugh more than anything tbh. The comment section is the usual joy to behold.

Sky TV SCRAPS controversial Michael Jackson programme after family complains about 'white middle-class Joseph Fiennes' playing the black star

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rogramme-family-complaints.html#ixzz4VeQ0sqkG
 
That was supposed to be Michael Jackson?!?!? :lol:
 
The gender dysphoria in kids stuff is probably the most disgusting of all the new age progressive idiocy.

Parents who ruin their child's entire future just to be trendy. Obviously it's a mental illness, but it's a mental illness you biologically cannot have until you hit puberty. Of those kids whose behaviour is atypical and it's not a passing phase, the vast majority will end up gay and be far, far happier than they would be as a transgender.

Surgical options should not be available to anyone under 16 and hormone treatments to anyone under 14.
 
Jippy said:
This made me laugh more than anything tbh. The comment section is the usual joy to behold.

Sky TV SCRAPS controversial Michael Jackson programme after family complains about 'white middle-class Joseph Fiennes' playing the black star

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rogramme-family-complaints.html#ixzz4VeQ0sqkG
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Looks more like the elephant man, but Michael Jackson was very white in his later years so it makes sense to cast a white actor for that portion of his life. Either that or paint a black actor white...
 
Bill.s.preston said:
I wanted to watch that, looked hilarious.
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Hadn't heard about it, but yeah, looked a real car crash!
horsechoker said:
Looks more like the elephant man, but Michael Jackson was very white in his later years so it makes sense to cast a white actor for that portion of his life. Either that or paint a black actor white...
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God untangling whether it was better to have a black actor 'white up' is whole other can of worms...
 
hobbers said:
The gender dysphoria in kids stuff is probably the most disgusting of all the new age progressive idiocy.

Parents who ruin their child's entire future just to be trendy. Obviously it's a mental illness, but it's a mental illness you biologically cannot have until you hit puberty. Of those kids whose behaviour is atypical and it's not a passing phase, the vast majority will end up gay and be far, far happier than they would be as a transgender.

Surgical options should not be available to anyone under 16 and hormone treatments to anyone under 14.
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How did you come to that conclusion?
 
hobbers said:
Because whatever your predisposition, you get a huge hormone dump when you hit puberty and you can't predict how that will change things.
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That can change things, yes. But gender dysphoria can clearly occur long before puberty. Which we know from all the kids who go through it, long before puberty.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That can change things, yes. But gender dysphoria can clearly occur long before puberty. Which we know from all the kids who go through it, long before puberty.
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I would not label any child as gender dysphoric until after they've hit puberty. Regardless of their behaviour.

If a girl wants to dress as a boy, be referred to as a boy, play with boys toys. Fine. Let them. But only label it as dysphoria if it persists after puberty. And for the love of god do not go near them with a scalpel.
 
hobbers said:
I would not label any child as gender dysphoric until after they've hit puberty. Regardless of their behaviour.

If a girl wants to dress as a boy, be referred to as a boy, play with boys toys. Fine. Let them. But only label it as dysphoria if it persists after puberty. And for the love of god do not go near them with a scalpel.
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Gender dysphoria is a phenomenological description. It can be accurately used as soon as a kid can understand the concept of gender. Which is much younger than puberty.

Formally diagnosing them as transgender is a different thing entirely. And I definitely think "wait and see" is a very good treatment strategy. Although if you accept that people really can be transgender (and there's a whole load of evidence that they can) then you can see the logic in deferring the development of secondary sexual characteristics.

It's a complex area and dismissing it as all downn to parents being "trendy" is just as hare-brained as insisting that gender dysphoria in a very young kid should be a one-way ticket to switching their gender.
 
Flying_Heckfish said:
Guardian comments are good for a laugh as well.

Love the term " offenserati "

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...as-michael-jackson-joseph-fiennes-urban-myths
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My favorite comment

To be honest I thought Fiennes was doing black actors a favour by appearing in something that looked all set to be terrible so they didn't have to.
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Urban Myths is meant to be satire? That might lead to me giving them a bit more leeway in this, but maybe the issue is more black and white than I think.
 
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The snowflake liberals, cultural Marxists, will destroy free speech

Arizona Republicans move to ban social justice courses and events at schools
The newly introduced bill – which seeks to build on an existing GOP-backed law that banned a Mexican American studies class – marks the latest attack in academia on activism and research centered on marginalized groups.
The bill, from state representative Bob Thorpe, would prohibit “courses, classes, events and activities” in public schools that promote “social justice toward a race, gender, religion, political affiliation, social class or other class of people”. Courses and events that are “designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group” or advocate “solidarity” based on ethnicity, race, religion or gender would also be banned.
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Genuinely curious: does the 1st amendment protect this speech?

Yiannopoulos has a habit of singling out students at some of his campus talks. In Wisconsin last month, he showed a photograph of a transgender student and told the audience: “The way you know he’s failed is I can still bang him,” according to the Wisconsin-Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

At UCCS, he shows a Facebook post written by one of the protesters outside, along with a photo, and says he would “pop him on Breitbart, see how he likes the attention”.

“You think I can’t ruin his Google results?” he asks the audience.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/28/milo-yiannopoulos-campus-speaking-tour-colorado

Also, it puts another perspective on universities inviting him, and on the need for safe spaces. IMO.
 
berbatrick said:
Genuinely curious: does the 1st amendment protect this speech?


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/28/milo-yiannopoulos-campus-speaking-tour-colorado

Also, it puts another perspective on universities inviting him, and on the need for safe spaces. IMO.
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Wasn't the transgender student all over the local media before though, having taken the university to court for not getting into his preferred bathroom. In which case nothing wrong with directly referencing it.

And frankly any fascist antifa thug deserves to get doxed to hell. As does anyone who runs amok in a balaclava to protect themselves from the repercussions of their violence and intimidation.
 
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I don't know enough about Yianni to know whether I think he's a douche or not (OK he's probably a douche) but there's a fine line between hurt feelings and libel/slander. Imho, an elected official calling someone a white nationalist may actually be crossing that line.
 
But he is a white nationalist. Or at least, his character that he uses for fame and money is.
 
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