Chelsea 2016/17 - Very Content

[R.E.D.]

Their "improvement" under Conte is perceived as being much greater than it actually is. Last season was an anomaly, many abnormal non-footballing factors (player mutiny) led to their 10th place finish. You can't literally give credit to Conte for improving them from 10th to 1st. It is not as if they are a team like Bournemouth or West Ham or whatever. Chelsea's normal level isn't mid table, even if they finished in mid table once. They won the title two seasons ago FFS and many of their players are seasoned winners. He hasn't gone in and built a new team. So what he has done is to make Chelsea play at their normal level after a one season blip. He has not taken a mid table team to being top of the league. Let's not over rate his achievement.

Nobody says he has taken a midtable team to the top. The real chelsea was the team at the start of the season, a good team that should be in top 4 (this season we have a top 6) and a team that might have a shot at the title. A team with A LOT of weaknesses specially in defence. Azpilicueta apart they really don't have another good defender. They literally were desperate for a defender at the start of the season and they were offering any defender who was just available. He gave David Luiz a new role with different duties and made him shine for them. Moses would never have a chance in any other top club, they should replace Alonso if they want to go to next level, Cahill is horrible and yet they have a fantastic defensive record. They are the most balanced club in the league and that is what Conte did.

They still need 3 or 4 players in the summer if they want to retain the title or have a shot at CL.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Their "improvement" under Conte is perceived as being much greater than it actually is. Last season was an anomaly, many abnormal non-footballing factors (player mutiny) led to their 10th place finish. You can't literally give credit to Conte for improving them from 10th to 1st. It is not as if they are a team like Bournemouth or West Ham or whatever. Chelsea's normal level isn't mid table, even if they finished in mid table once. They won the title two seasons ago FFS and many of their players are seasoned winners. He hasn't gone in and built a new team. So what he has done is to make Chelsea play at their normal level after a one season blip. He has not taken a mid table team to being top of the league. Let's not over rate his achievement.

By the way, despite being top, they have CLEAR weaknesses when it comes to their defending and finishing. Their lack of height makes them vulnerable to long balls and they are very weak at dealing with crosses on Moses' flank (he is not even a bloody defender FFS). And their finishing was appalling against Swansea, chance after chance missed, 70% possession and only a handful of shots?? Looked like exactly the kind of game LVG would get criticized for. Apart from his goal Costa did totally nothing, and that is the same kind of thing Zlatan gets criticized for. Yet I don't hear any UTD fans claiming "Costa is holding Chelsea back" like they do Zlatan. Let's not apply double standards - Chelsea aren't THAT amazing and Conte is a very good manager but not the unicorn-like tactical mastermind that some of you guys think he is.

Interesting posting style of pretending to read an imaginary position and then wasting time arguing against it. Interesting could mean many words.

I'm not even sure what the second paragraph is all about apart from bitterness. The Costa stuff is just weird. Yes they have weaknesses but like most of the stuff you're responding to - noone said they didn't.

He's done a cracking job this season, clearly, and is going to win the premier league.

 

[Treble_Winning]

Nobody says he has taken a midtable team to the top. The real chelsea was the team at the start of the season, a good team that should be in top 4 (this season we have a top 6) and a team that might have a shot at the title. A team with A LOT of weaknesses specially in defence. Azpilicueta apart they really don't have another good defender. They literally were desperate for a defender at the start of the season and they were offering any defender who was just available. He gave David Luiz a new role with different duties and made him shine for them. Moses would never have a chance in any other top club, they should replace Alonso if they want to go to next level, Cahill is horrible and yet they have a fantastic defensive record. They are the most balanced club in the league and that is what Conte did.

They still need 3 or 4 players in the summer if they want to retain the title or have a shot at CL.

I agree that Moses, Alonso and Cahill are crap and he deserves some credit for that. However, he also started with Courtois, Azpilicueta, Fabregas, Willian, Pedro, Hazard and Costa. All of whom were title winners before and seasoned veterans. So they were probably favourites for 2nd or 3rd and Conte has them currently in 1st. On the one hand that is a testament to his skills, on the other hand it also represents a huge failure on the part of Guardiola.

What I'm really sick of is seeing UTD fans fawning over Chelsea in a very exaggerated way, while being ultra negative towards UTD.

For instance the idea that "Chelsea are like a machine". Well, lately, United have been like a machine too. We are on the longest unbeaten run in the league and our recent form is comparable to theirs or arguably slightly exceeds theirs. Yet people keep on saying UTD are not good enough whereas Chelsea are "like a machine".

Or the idea that "Zlatan is holding back United because he does nothing all game besides score". Isn't Costa exactly the same? And yet somehow Zlatan sucks and deserves to be dropped, but Costa is a true complete forward and one of the best strikers in the world?? Has it occurred to anyone that Zlatan has scored ONE less than Costa in the league, and EIGHT more in all competitions, despite being much older than Costa???

UTD are 12 points behind Chelsea not 25 points. Margins are slim. That's just 4 wins.

Had we beaten them at Stamford Bridge the gap would've been 6 points (and we would have been in contention no matter what anyone says - a 6 point gap is very small and entirely possible to overcome) so this supposed difference in quality is actually very slim.

We are not that far behind them so let's be fair and give credit to our own team and manager, not relentlessly criticize them while claiming that Chelsea are some kind of unstoppable juggernaut, with Conte being the world's finest tactical genius.

Seriously, we have the better squad and the better manager (if only just) and if the season were to restart tomorrow I would give us a 55/45 chance of finishing above them. At the very least we would be neck and neck with them.

 

[Varun]

@Treble_Winning This is the Chelsea and Conte thread. Your amazement at the discussion being about Chelsea, Conte and Costa and not United, Mourinho and Ibra is bizarre to say the least.

 

[Francoruud]

I agree that Moses, Alonso and Cahill are crap and he deserves some credit for that. However, he also started with Courtois, Azpilicueta, Fabregas, Willian, Pedro, Hazard and Costa. All of whom were title winners before and seasoned veterans. So they were probably favourites for 2nd or 3rd and Conte has them currently in 1st. On the one hand that is a testament to his skills, on the other hand it also represents a huge failure on the part of Guardiola.

Favorites to finish 2nd or 3rd? Pundits generally thought we'd barely make 4th. Everyone was going on about how the title race would be between the Manchester clubs. Even Fergie himself mentioned 5 teams he thought could fight for the title and left Chelsea out. You're hilarious. And if that represents a huge failure on the part of Guardiola then does it represent a huge failure on the part of Mourinho as well? Considering....well....United are still behind City on the table.

Or the idea that "Zlatan is holding back United because he does nothing all game besides score". Isn't Costa exactly the same? And yet somehow Zlatan sucks and deserves to be dropped, but Costa is a true complete forward and one of the best strikers in the world?? Has it occurred to anyone that Zlatan has scored ONE less than Costa in the league, and EIGHT more in all competitions, despite being much older than Costa???

Yeah Zlatan also has 37 appearances this season while Costa has 28. He's doing great for a 35 year old but please come off it.

UTD are 12 points behind Chelsea not 25 points. Margins are slim. That's just 4 wins.

Ah yes, almost forgot you're a troll. You've been going on about this "only 8 points, only 9 points, only 10 points, only 12 points" for months now. When is it going to dawn on you? You're not winning the title this season.

Had we beaten them at Stamford Bridge the gap would've been 6 points (and we would have been in contention no matter what anyone says - a 6 point gap is very small and entirely possible to overcome) so this supposed difference in quality is actually very slim.

Every team can say "had we xyz". Had we changed our formation much earlier in the season, we'd have been further ahead right now, ehy?. You got spanked 4-0. That's not exactly a match you can point to and said "we should have won that". Same way I humbly concede we deserved the 3-0 spanking Arsenal gave us earlier in the season.

 

[PepG]

On the one hand that is a testament to his skills, on the other hand it also represents a huge failure on the part of Guardiola.

And what about Mourinho and his 6th position so far ?!

 

[duffer]

UTD are 12 points behind Chelsea not 25 points. Margins are slim. That's just 4 wins.

15 points, not 12. That's not just 5 wins for Man United, that's also 5 losses for Chelsea.

 

[R.E.D.]

1.I agree that Moses, Alonso and Cahill are crap and he deserves some credit for that. However, he also started with Courtois, Azpilicueta, Fabregas, Willian, Pedro, Hazard and Costa. All of whom were title winners before and seasoned veterans. So they were probably favourites for 2nd or 3rd and Conte has them currently in 1st. On the one hand that is a testament to his skills, on the other hand it also represents a huge failure on the part of Guardiola.

2.What I'm really sick of is seeing UTD fans fawning over Chelsea in a very exaggerated way, while being ultra negative towards UTD.

For instance the idea that "Chelsea are like a machine". Well, lately, United have been like a machine too. We are on the longest unbeaten run in the league and our recent form is comparable to theirs or arguably slightly exceeds theirs. Yet people keep on saying UTD are not good enough whereas Chelsea are "like a machine".

Or the idea that "Zlatan is holding back United because he does nothing all game besides score". Isn't Costa exactly the same? And yet somehow Zlatan sucks and deserves to be dropped, but Costa is a true complete forward and one of the best strikers in the world?? Has it occurred to anyone that Zlatan has scored ONE less than Costa in the league, and EIGHT more in all competitions, despite being much older than Costa???

3.UTD are 12 points behind Chelsea not 25 points. Margins are slim. That's just 4 wins.

Had we beaten them at Stamford Bridge the gap would've been 6 points (and we would have been in contention no matter what anyone says - a 6 point gap is very small and entirely possible to overcome) so this supposed difference in quality is actually very slim.

We are not that far behind them so let's be fair and give credit to our own team and manager, not relentlessly criticize them while claiming that Chelsea are some kind of unstoppable juggernaut, with Conte being the world's finest tactical genius.

Seriously, we have the better squad and the better manager (if only just) and if the season were to restart tomorrow I would give us a 55/45 chance of finishing above them. At the very least we would be neck and neck with them.

1.Yes, I know they have good players in their team and you mentioned them, that`s why i said they were among top 6 and had a shot at winning the league. But they are not just winning it, they have a 9 points lead to the second team, have scored more than other teams and have conceded less than other teams. They are the most balanced team in the league by far and these are things that you get praise for when you do it no matter who you are. This year is Conte`s year and he`s getting those praises deservely. It`s not a big deal, nobody says Conte is the best manager in the history or something, people are praising him for what he is doing.


2.Well lately i have read nothing but praise about our team. I don`t know what you`re talking about. The atmosphere is really positive and everybody is behind the team. The fact is we are still 6th so that means we have some issues in the team and naturally people talk about these issues and ways to solve them, that doesn`t mean the atmosphere is negative.


3.Football doesn`t work with "If". We had a smaller gap to Liverpool, They`ve got 6 points in their last 6 games (since 2017 started) and we`re still 1 point behind them. We have a great thing going on in our team and yes if we take every team in the league with their current form to the next season we probably will win it, but again that`s a "If".

And this is Chelsea thread and people talk about them, I don`t know where is this comparison with United is coming from.

 

[kps88]

UTD are 12 points behind Chelsea not 25 points. Margins are slim. That's just 4 wins.

Had we beaten them at Stamford Bridge the gap would've been 6 points (and we would have been in contention no matter what anyone says - a 6 point gap is very small and entirely possible to overcome) so this supposed difference in quality is actually very slim.

15 points is a huge margin in March. We would need them to lose 5 times and on top of that us win every game. And we got thrashed at the Bridge in our worst performance of the season, no "slim" difference in quality on show there.

Don't know why you're being so sensitive. They've been a class above us this season. Nothing wrong with admitting that.

 

[MadMike]

15 points is a huge margin in March. We would need them to lose 5 times and on top of that us win every game. And we got thrashed at the Bridge in our worst performance of the season, no "slim" difference in quality on show there.

Don't know why you're being so sensitive. They've been a class above us this season. Nothing wrong with admitting that.

All true except the 15 points is because we have a game in hand. The difference in even games is (was, up until yesterday) 12. But yeah they've been better this season, no arguments.

 

[Treble_Winning]

Yes of course this is the Chelsea thread so the discussion should be about Chelsea. But that doesn't mean that any discussion of Chelsea should not include some balanced and fair minded criticism of Chelsea, and that only exaggerated OTT praise of Chelsea is in order. For example Chelsea have looked very vulnerable against crosses and aerial balls as evidenced by Llorente's goal. So why should they be exempt from more critical scrutiny especially when it's completely fair.

They've done well, but they're definitely not even close to being a world class champion team. Many previous title winners have been more impressive and that includes previous Chelsea teams such as the 04/05 squad or the 09/10 squad. In fact of all Chelsea's title winning squads this is probably the weakest. They would probably even lose a head to head match up against the 14/15 squad. Mourinho's Chelsea broke the points record and Ancelotti's Chelsea broke the goals record, now that's what I would call a historical achievement, this team just lacks that special X factor.

And honestly UTD aren't that far behind them. The margins are slimmer than people think. UTD are getting a lot of unfair criticism while Chelsea are getting a lot of exaggerated praise. We will challenge them next season and it will be neck and neck. I also think we are better equipped for a deep run in the CL than them.

 

[BonkersIam]

Problem with using just 5 years is Mata cost 0 but sold for 37 Million, similarly Lukaku cost 0 and sold for 28 Million. Same for all players whom they signed 5 years back but sold in this 5 year period.

but I have gone back 10 years above just to suit your argument and the outcome doesnt change much. Perhaps you would like to cherry pick the years until it works out in your favour.
p.s. you mention Mata and Lukaku...but it doesnt matter because your argument only stands up if they dont buy a single player afterwards

 

[Treble_Winning]

Every team can say "had we xyz". Had we changed our formation much earlier in the season, we'd have been further ahead right now, ehy?. You got spanked 4-0. That's not exactly a match you can point to and said "we should have won that". Same way I humbly concede we deserved the 3-0 spanking Arsenal gave us earlier in the season.

That's debatable and I have a different view but I won't make excuses. End of the day if Luiz had been sent off in the 30th minute as he rightfully should, with the score line at 2-0 and Chelsea down to ten men, the result could've been very different.

Anyway Conte inherited more solid foundations than Mourinho that's what I'm saying. Mourinho has to incorporate multiple new players into the side and do a major overhaul AND relook the style of play as well as the mentality. Conte is using mostly the same players, who have won titles before, and just tweaked the tactics.

 

[BonkersIam]

Yes of course this is the Chelsea thread so the discussion should be about Chelsea. But that doesn't mean that any discussion of Chelsea should not include some balanced and fair minded criticism of Chelsea, and that only exaggerated OTT praise of Chelsea is in order. For example Chelsea have looked very vulnerable against crosses and aerial balls as evidenced by Llorente's goal. So why should they be exempt from more critical scrutiny especially when it's completely fair.

They've done well, but they're definitely not even close to being a world class champion team. Many previous title winners have been more impressive and that includes previous Chelsea teams such as the 04/05 squad or the 09/10 squad. In fact of all Chelsea's title winning squads this is probably the weakest. They would probably even lose a head to head match up against the 14/15 squad. Mourinho's Chelsea broke the points record and Ancelotti's Chelsea broke the goals record, now that's what I would call a historical achievement, this team just lacks that special X factor.

And honestly UTD aren't that far behind them. The margins are slimmer than people think. UTD are getting a lot of unfair criticism while Chelsea are getting a lot of exaggerated praise. We will challenge them next season and it will be neck and neck. I also think we are better equipped for a deep run in the CL than them.

From most posters we could accept that....but from you who doesnt even understand the meaning of those words on here

 

[roonster09]

but I have gone back 10 years above just to suit your argument and the outcome doesnt change much. Perhaps you would like to cherry pick the years until it works out in your favour.
p.s. you mention Mata and Lukaku...but it doesnt matter because your argument only stands up if they dont buy a single player afterwards

In my favour? WTF, I don't give shit about net spend and I said same in many threads. I told how there is issue with taking 5 year sample as there is a good chance 6th or 7th year team might have spent big money.

 

[BonkersIam]

In my favour? WTF, I don't give shit about net spend and I said same in many threads. I told how there is issue with taking 5 year sample as there is a good chance 6th or 7th year team might have spent big money.

and I have put figures up there for 10 years

 

[Treble_Winning]

From most posters we could accept that....but from you who doesnt even understand the meaning of those words on here

So you think it's not balanced or reasonable to say that Chelsea are weak at dealing with crosses and aerial balls? How do you explain their defensive screw up for Llorente's goal then?

And you think it's not reasonable to say that this squad is weaker than their 04/05 and 09/10 squads? You think Conte's Chelsea are history makers and record breakers? One of the best PL champions ever? What records have they broken? What have they done that is truly outstanding?

 

[Orc]

Treble's constant desire to belittle what Conte has done this season is hilarious. As if all he did was come in and give a great pep talk to motivate the players who finished 10th and boom, we're runaway leaders. He's barely done anything to change Mourinho's team, right? If we win the league he should snap his PL winners medal in half and ship part of it to José as a thank you.

Heard yesterday during the match that we're currently on pace to finish with the 2nd highest ever point total over a PL season with 91. Apparently we're getting "exaggerated" praise though.

 

[duffer]

You think Conte's Chelsea are history makers and record breakers? One of the best PL champions ever? What records have they broken? What have they done that is truly outstanding?

Who has said that? Nobody. You are imagining some crazy and overblown praise of Chelsea that does not exist on here.

 

[BonkersIam]

So you think it's not balanced or reasonable to say that Chelsea are weak at dealing with crosses and aerial balls? How do you explain their defensive screw up for Llorente's goal then?

And you think it's not reasonable to say that this squad is weaker than their 04/05 and 09/10 squads? You think Conte's Chelsea are history makers and record breakers? One of the best PL champions ever? What records have they broken? What have they done that is truly outstanding?

I am referring to all your other posts .....wum at work

 

[Treble_Winning]

Treble's constant desire to belittle what Conte has done this season is hilarious. As if all he did was come in and give a great pep talk to motivate the players who finished 10th and boom, we're runaway leaders. He's barely done anything to change Mourinho's team, right? If we win the league he should snap his PL winners medal in half and ship part of it to José as a thank you.

Heard yesterday during the match that we're currently on pace to finish with the 2nd highest ever point total over a PL season with 91. Apparently we're getting "exaggerated" praise though.

From one perspective yes they are the players who finished 10th. From another perspective they are the players who finished 1st. In 2014/15.

Every argument has two sides. Chelsea's starting level was certainly not 10th place. That was an anomaly and a false position, again we are not talking about taking West Ham to the top of the league here. Which seems to be what some people think Conte has done.

PS - believe me, you won't finish on 91 points this season. Likely to be more like 84-87 points.

 

[kps88]

Who has said that? Nobody. You are imagining some crazy and overblown praise of Chelsea that does not exist on here.

Okay, but do you really think Conte is the greatest manager of all time? Or that Moses is a Cafu-Garrincha hybrid? All I'm saying is have some balance and don't forget those headed goals they conceded.

 

[Orc]

From one perspective yes they are the players who finished 10th. From another perspective they are the players who finished 1st. In 2014/15.

Every argument has two sides. Chelsea's starting level was certainly not 10th place. That was an anomaly and a false position, again we are not talking about taking West Ham to the top of the league here. Which seems to be what some people think Conte has done.

PS - believe me, you won't finish on 91 points this season. Likely to be more like 84-87 points.

We're talking about a side who were supposed to be decent and would have been delighted with a 4th place finish. We were not supposed to be anywhere near the Manchester clubs, everyone thought Spurs would continue to get better, and Klopp had his first summer to work with his team. Plus there's always Arsenal in the top 4.

This was supposed to be the toughest PL to win ever and so far Conte has pissed it. He deserves every single bit of praise he and the team are getting.

 

[duffer]

Okay, but do you really think Conte is the greatest manager of all time? Or that Moses is a Cafu-Garrincha hybrid? All I'm saying is have some balance and don't forget those headed goals they conceded.

You're right, Conte has only won 20 of his first 26 league games. We should sack him and try again with a manager of a similar level, like Ryan Giggs or Gary Neville.

 

[Claude Makélélé]

Chelsea regular 11 this season: Black = unchanged, Blue = positional changed, Red = newly recruited in comparing to 2-3 previous seasons

1. Courtois - Unchanged
2. Azpilicueta - Changed playing position
3. David Luiz - re-recruited
4. Cahill - Changed playing position
5. Moses - re-recruited (always go on loan before, Roberto Di Matteo bought him)
6. Kante - recruited
7. Matic- Unchanged
8. Alonso - recruited
9. Pedro - Changed in playing position
10. Diego Costa - Unchanged
11. Hazard - Unchanged

Total: 4 Unchanges, 3 Changes in playing positions, 4 new recruited under Conte. So there are 7 changes in starting 11.

There will be more changes in the summer, I believe. I wouldn't be surprised if we are going to spend big or very big this summer, as we have fund from Oscar's transfer, Champions League football and 60M Nike deal starting from next season.

 

[Supermonkey]

That's debatable and I have a different view but I won't make excuses. End of the day if Luiz had been sent off in the 30th minute as he rightfully should, with the score line at 2-0 and Chelsea down to ten men, the result could've been very different.

Anyway Conte inherited more solid foundations than Mourinho that's what I'm saying. Mourinho has to incorporate multiple new players into the side and do a major overhaul AND relook the style of play as well as the mentality. Conte is using mostly the same players, who have won titles before, and just tweaked the tactics.

What drivel undoubtedly inspired by your jealously of what Conte has done. What foundations did Conte inherit? Fabregas won the league before but became a grandad overnight athletically speaking. Players confidence was shot to pieces throughput the spine of the team.

You think Conte hasn't incorporated multiple new players, completely changed the style of play and instilled a winning mentality?! Luiz, Moses, Kante Alonso. That's almost half of the outfield players he has replaced with new players. 343 anyone? The biggest change in style of any team. How many were saying 3 at the back just doest work in EPL? The difference in style is quite extreme. He also took a team which couldn't stop drawing under Hiddink and conceding even at the start of this season, turning them into being obsessed with defensive solidarity. If turning them into one of the best defensive teams and going on a 13 game winning streak isnt a change in mentality I dont know what is!

So you think it's not balanced or reasonable to say that Chelsea are weak at dealing with crosses and aerial balls? How do you explain their defensive screw up for Llorente's goal then?

And you think it's not reasonable to say that this squad is weaker than their 04/05 and 09/10 squads? You think Conte's Chelsea are history makers and record breakers? One of the best PL champions ever? What records have they broken? What have they done that is truly outstanding?

Yes chelsea has problems in the air. Azpi is short, moses is terrible at either stopping crosses on his flank or defending ones from the opposite side and Alonso is so slow he needs to give a bit of space. A major reason for swansea goal is Gary fecking Cahill tried to organise the defence and Moses ended up 'marking'. This squad absolutely is weaker than the 04/05 and 09/10. Thats The Point! That is why Chelsea fans are so impressed with Conte and why he is doing a fantastic job. You seem to flip flop between 'Chelsea have really good players so Conte hasnt done anything to shout about' to 'Honesty, this team isn't even that good - that have glaring weaknesses!'. I guess it depends on the moment.

Okay, but do you really think Conte is the greatest manager of all time? Or that Moses is a Cafu-Garrincha hybrid? All I'm saying is have some balance and don't forget those headed goals they conceded.

I'm over the moon with Conte. I think he is great and wouldnt swap him for anyone else at the moment. I am very optimistic for the future. In part because we have players that obviously need upgrading. Moses is precisely nothinh like Cafu, cahill is in my opinion a poor defender, kante needs a partner that has neither the defensive deficiency of cesc or attacking efficiency of Matic. We need to accept that Hazard is primarily an attacking midfielder and simply wont be a prolific scorer. The RW needs a scorer. It's because of all the problems that Chelsea fans are so happy with what Conte has done, if the club back him (which they tended not to after we win the league) we are optimistic Conte can take us to the next level.

 

[giorno]

We have a great thing going on in our team and yes if we take every team in the league with their current form to the next season we probably will win it, but again that`s a "If".

Heh. Your 16 games unbeaten run: 34 points(9W 7D)
chelsea over the same period: 41 points (13W 2D 1L). 44 points including swansea

Btw, if you guys hired conte instead of mourinho, you'd be the ones pissing the league. It's 2017, not 2005. Conte pisses on mourinho right now

 

[R.E.D.]

Heh. Your 16 games unbeaten run: 34 points(9W 7D)
chelsea over the same period: 41 points (13W 2D 1L). 44 points including swansea

Btw, if you guys hired conte instead of mourinho, you'd be the ones pissing the league. It's 2017, not 2005. Conte pisses on mourinho right now

When did I ever say anything about unbeaten run? I said current form. This unbeaten run started more than 4 months ago with 4 draws in 5 matches. And the whole point was that a lot of things can change over 3 months so we can`t say if we restart the season we will win it because at the moment we have great form. Maybe if you read the whole post instead of trying to be smart you would understand my point.

 

[giorno]

When did I ever say anything about unbeaten run? I said current form. This unbeaten run started more than 4 months ago with 4 draws in 5 matches. And the whole point was that a lot of things can change over 3 months so we can`t say if we restart the season we will win it because at the moment we have great form. Maybe if you read the whole post instead of trying to be smart you would understand my point.

Wasn't really disputing your point(i'm not really. If you could've had this form from the beginning you'd be challenging chelsea), was more out of curiosity

 

[BonkersIam]

Heh. Your 16 games unbeaten run: 34 points(9W 7D)
chelsea over the same period: 41 points (13W 2D 1L). 44 points including swansea

Btw, if you guys hired conte instead of mourinho, you'd be the ones pissing the league. It's 2017, not 2005. Conte pisses on mourinho right now

thats a bit extreme and arrogant to be fair and full of speculation

 

[Attila]

Heh. Your 16 games unbeaten run: 34 points(9W 7D)
chelsea over the same period: 41 points (13W 2D 1L). 44 points including swansea

Btw, if you guys hired conte instead of mourinho, you'd be the ones pissing the league. It's 2017, not 2005. Conte pisses on mourinho right now

No he doesn't

 

[PepG]

Conte is pissing on Mourinho a big time and you can see clearly how Jose's frustration about that is growing quickly. His whole Ranieri appreciation nonsence (Mourinho is the guy who said the famous "Zero tituli" quote about Ranieri's career ffs) is actually a bitter dig at his former club Chelsea, if you think about it.

 

[Attila]

Conte is pissing on Mourinho a big time and you can see clearly how Jose's frustration about that is growing quickly. His whole Ranieri appreciation nonsence (Mourinho is the guy who said the famous "Zero tituli" quote about Ranieri's career ffs) is actually a bitter dig at his former club Chelsea, if you think about it.

OK Pep G! He doesn't seem very frustrated to me

 

[Bepi]

Treble is right in writing Conte inherited a top 6 squad but he still underestimates the difference between contending (from 4-8-12-16 point behind) and winning. Conte is winning this year PL as a n00b while the other are not even contending.

 

[giorno]

Why are you actually starting a discussion from what was clearly a piss-take? You ruined everything!

 

[VorZakone]

This Chelsea team would get exposed in Europe, I am interested in how Conte will improve the first XI.

 

[Claude Makélélé]

thats a bit extreme and arrogant to be fair and full of speculation

He at least has a solid point, given that Chelsea is 8 points clear at top of the league if Man City can beat United in the match later and 10 points if they can't. This is the biggest gap between 1st and 2nd teams in Europe top 5 leagues. That is the fact.

There are many speculation and arrogance in this threat. Claiming Chelsea's current success is because of Mourinho's foundation first - not Conte's hard-working and effort, even when he has made 7 changes to the team of 11 men - is full of rubbish speculation. Stating that 12 points (or possible 15) is a slim gap is arrogant. I know United is a good team but I am confidence Chelsea is not so weak that 12 points below them is only a slim gap.

 

[giorno]

He at least has a solid point

No i don't ffs that was a piss-take

Yes, i think Conte is better than Mourinho, but c'mon.

This is why we can't have nice things

 

[Kentonio]

The RW needs a scorer.

Pedro has scored 8 in the last 11 to be fair.

 

[Supermonkey]

Pedro has scored 8 in the last 11 to be fair.

Absolutely. I wonder about whether its a purple patch or whether this system just suites him so well and puts in in positions to score. Still up in the air for me, and it certainly isnt the most pressing position. Im wondering whether a 3412 would work, with hazard behind Costa and Lukaku/Morata. Kind of a mix in between 352 and 343. But hazard is poor defensively as it is, im not sure if that would leave us too vulnerable and both wingbacks would need replacing.