Carswell is ignoring the fairly large factor of the expanded franchise that allowed Labour to overtake the Liberals.
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Don't understand how people can go from Labour to UKIP
Yep
Agree. Angela Rayner described UKIP as a 'busted flush', I doubt she'd be saying that if she wasn't reasonably sure of victory.
Arise Sir Nigel!
Nigel Farage Nighthood 
This journo is a bit simple.
So Copeland could be a Hold as well.
Corbo lives to fight another day.
Corbo lives to fight another day.
I think the Labour women is quite good
I'm glad we're not all taking part in a 'will of the people' drinking game right now.
What's the corollary between free school means and academic attainment btw?
Is she the one who was paid by Arron Banks to write 'The Bad Boys of Brexit' for him? Might explain it.
Oakeshott is a quite awful human being.
Coates is rambling here. Settle down man.
I just did a quick google search on Coates, to see how consistent his statement were. A key Labour donor during the Miliband years, but seems to have garnered headlines related to tax avoidance.
Indeed, he and his daughter are sitting on offshore billions from what I've heard. Hardly a bloke from whom to take lectures on any subject.
Forgot this was on. Again.
Always for the best.
Abort everything, Andrew Neill just dabbed.
Barry Gardiner has become a very safe pair of hands for media engagements. Not sure about that tie though.
Sounds like he's laying the groundwork for a defeat in Copeland.
Sounds like he's laying the groundwork for a defeat in Copeland.
I'm not sure he understood the implications of what he was saying, though.
I could be reading too much into it but a politician kicking off with 'these aren't normal times' sounds like he's spinning like a top after hearing some bad news.
The guy with the Gina Miller number plate 
Not a proper election night till John Curtice turns up. Hair disappointingly under control.
Just a touch awkward...
Only just realised the by-elections were tonight. I'm slacking.
Hancock is having a proper mare.
Because your average working class person hates foreigners, it's simple (your average working class person is also, on the whole, simple).
Not Brexit or Trump, for once.
Who's going to serve me my sandwich for heavens sake?
The house of lords needs to go, why would you guarantee rights for EU citizens here before it was secured for UK citizens in the EU? They turn up, get their £300 a day or whatever they grab and contribute feck all to our democracy.
Because we have a responsibility to defend the rights of those to stay in the UK who reside, live and work here?
No we don't, unless the rights of UK citizens are secured. I don't understand why you'd give that up before the negotiation starts. So let's turn up to a negotiation and already have conceded one of your bargaining chips.
So you'd be fine with us going into negotiations with the possibility of people from the EU who have worked here for decades potentially having to leave the country?
That was cringe as hell, particularly the mention of Pret.
Yup. I'm baffled as to why the government haven't done it already, it's a PR win and the EU would inevitably follow suit. The only rationale to not do it yet is to make guys like the "call them foreigners!" patrol happy.
Also, if this is the case why is nobody campaigning for my wife's right to stay in the UK, she pays circa £20K a year in income tax, has no right to receive benefits, and has no right to stay in the UK legally beyond her current visa. That's racism against non EU immigrants who are here legally as opposed to current EU immigrants who are also here illegally.
I don't hear the outcry for non EU immigrants, strange that.
That's such a painfully immature and small minded argument.
The UK has a responsibility to individual citizens, it's got nothing to do with tit for tat with the EU.
Besides, it's a negotiation. If we can show we are willing to be flexible, they have the chance to respond in turn. If we don't give them anything to work with they have no reason to negotiate.
I'm asking for parity for UK citizens abroad in the EU, so if not granted, then yes.
No it isn't - the reason we're talking about the status of EU immigrants is because we're talking about what will happen to their status when we leave the EU. Presumably your wife's status won't have changed since the referendum, although apologies if I'm wrong on that one.
Andrea Leadsom was willing to guarantee their right to remain ffs, Andrea Leadsom!