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Stanley Road said:
Maybe so but not as meaningless as discussing war with spain ffs
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It's worthy of discussion because it's in our best interests to get along with our EU neighbours, not have petty squabbles with them. Pretty sure that is why it's being discussed and not because there is any realistic chance of it happening.
 
The whole referendum was a lesson in stupidity. It was not legally binding and too close to have been a decisive factor in a matter as serious as this.

"Oh, this is against the wishes of the people" is overblown. They really should have waited for the next election and took this forward along normal lines. If a Brexit party wins, then so be it.
 
jackofalltrades said:
Taking back control, then ?

Will Scotland have to be careful it doesn't become a Spanish pawn in the Eurogame ? The deal on offer could be joint sovereignty over Gibraltar for Spain, if not they'll encourage Scotland to leave the UK.

What's the score at the moment - Brexit 6 - EU 0 ?
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I think they were own goals.

You know there will be Brexiteers outraged that the nasty EU will pinch at least some of London's business but imagine the uproar if clearance of Sterling was done in the EU.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I think they were own goals.

You know there will be Brexiteers outraged that the nasty EU will pinch at least some of London's business but imagine the uproar if clearance of Sterling was done in the EU.
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The only reason so many right wingers in the Tory party voted out was to cut regulations to steal jobs, they seem surprised the EU might not be up for it
 
Paul the Wolf said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...juncker-euro-clearing-eu-manfred-weber-brexit

Euro clearing relocation away from London
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However, Weber, speaking ahead of a debate on Brexit in the European parliament, said he feared too many British citizens and politicians did not understand the full repercussions of the country’s decision last June.

He said he had been surprised by the reaction in the UK to the decision by the EU to give Spain a veto on allowing Gibraltar to benefit from any future EU-UK trade deal. “From now on we will have the interests of the EU27 in mind, not of the British,” Weber said. “That’s the outcome when you leave this family.

“Some of the politicians in London have not understood what leaving the European Union means. It means being alone.”

On the future of the financial services sector in the UK, and euro-denominated clearing in particular, Weber added: “Great Britain after leaving will be a third country.

“We have to find a way of working together, but we have the obvious interest that places like Amsterdam, Paris, Dublin and Frankfurt can win as they [London] lose.”

That's exactly what I've been saying all along. The EU doesn't care if by kicking a hornet nest 100 out of 120 UK jobs would go to New York and only 5 go to the EU. For them its 5 jobs won. There's absolutely no difference for the EU between New York, Islamabad or London. They are all cities of some random third country.
 
Stanley Road said:
How is that news? It takes 2 years to leave then you discuss trade.
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Not exactly, you have two years within the EU to make a deal with the EU after that you lose the rights that membership grants.
 
Stanley Road said:
I don't believe trade deals will be discussed seriously while uk remains a member. Do you?
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The EU will discuss about it with its members and the UK won't be allowed to be in the room at that time but when it comes to actual negotiations with the UK, if I'm not mistaken the EU's schedule put the trade deals at the end of the queue which makes it difficult to happen within two years.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken the EU already have a clear idea of the trade deals they are going to offer/propose, since Barnier and his team already discussed with the 27 members.
 
JPRouve said:
The EU will discuss about it with its members and the UK won't be allowed to be in the room at that time but when it comes to actual negotiations with the UK, if I'm not mistaken the EU's schedule put the trade deals at the end of the queue which makes it difficult to happen within two years.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken the EU already have a clear idea of the trade deals they are going to offer/propose, since Barnier and his team already discussed with the 27 members.
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but I thought the EU will starve without access to the UK markets.
 
devilish said:
but I thought the EU will starve without access to the UK markets.
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The key here is that, the EU or the UK can ask for more time, so it's perfectly possible to see the two years turn into three, if all parts think that it's good for them. The 27 have to be unanimously behind it though.
 
Stanley Road said:
Your bitterness never ceases to amaze me. Wait and see what happens when uk is a tax haven like malta.
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Bitterness? Unlike you, i work and pay my taxes here. Both my grandfathers served in the british army and one died on duty. I assure you id say the same if my country come out with similar ridiculous statements.

Malta has a similar economy to the uk and its nowhere near to Guernsey
 
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devilish said:
Bitterness? Unlike you, i work and pay my taxes here. Both my grandfathers served in the british army and one died on duty. I assure you id say the same if my country come out with similar ridiculous statements.

Malta has a similar economy to the uk and its nowhere near to Guernsey
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So you pay taxes in the uk, does that give you special rights to make snidey comments every other post about the former british empire and world wars? You come across as if you dont even like it there?
 
Stanley Road said:
So you pay taxes in the uk, does that give you special rights to make snidey comments every other post about the former british empire and world wars? You come across as if you dont even like it there?
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I wouldn't blame him at all, Britain has apparently turned into a shitty place to live recently.

Sky said:
Speaking in Jordan, with which the UK currently enjoys a free trade deal, through the European Union, Mrs May also said it was a priority to "continue" such deals, for example with Korea.

She said: "No, it will be possible to continue trade arrangements with countries that we have previously had them with through the EU when we are outside."

However, the EU Council document released last week seemed to rule that out.
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Good to see Mrs May has saved some extra disappointment for further down the line, it'd be a shame to waste it all in the first week.
 
Stanley Road said:
So you pay taxes in the uk, does that give you special rights to make snidey comments every other post about the former british empire and world wars? You come across as if you dont even like it there?
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Actually it shows that I care and I am worried about this country's future. Also it shows that I know a thing or two about history. But there again, we all know that the leaver's snowflake generation can't take criticism. They walk out from committees because they feel that it was too baised against Brexit, they accuse the BBC for being baised and even threaten Spain for war. They can't bother checking the facts and they are confident that they can cherry pick a deal because the entire world needs them. If things get too tough, well, they move elsewhere, probably in Europe while avoiding the mess they created. I am referring to cowards like Farage, not you of course.
 
Stanley Road said:
Your bitterness never ceases to amaze me. Wait and see what happens when uk is a tax haven like malta.
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The UK cannot become a tax haven. Not if it wants to use the WTO trade framework.

The WTO has rules, and one of which is that they do not like tax havens, and refuse to deal with them.

May either knew this and lied that she could turn us into a tax haven and still use WTO rules, or is mindbogglingly ill informed.
 
Stanley Road said:
How is that news? It takes 2 years to leave then you discuss trade.
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Either we're leaving on WTO terms, or we're (to all intents and purposes) staying in the EU for way longer than 2 years. Either way, that's big news.
 
devilish said:
Actually it shows that I care and I am worried about this country's future. Also it shows that I know a thing or two about history. But there again, we all know that the leaver's snowflake generation can't take criticism. They walk out from committees because they feel that it was too baised against Brexit, they accuse the BBC for being baised and even threaten Spain for war. They can't bother checking the facts and they are confident that they can cherry pick a deal because the entire world needs them. If things get too tough, well, they move elsewhere, probably in Europe while avoiding the mess they created. I am referring to cowards like Farage, not you of course.
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Btw how is Farage a coward?
If anything, based on what he's done and how he's 'always in everyone's face' he's the opposite of one!

Utterly buzzing re Brexit!!
 
Member 5225 said:
Btw how is Farage a coward?
If anything, based on what he's done and how he's 'always in everyone's face' he's the opposite of one!
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You mean like that time he did an interview where he whined about how terribly scared he is, and how he lives in fear walking the streets? Or perhaps that he's played a considerable role in fecking the country up and now says that if it goes completely to the dogs he'll just run away to America?

Such leadership, such bravery..
 
Kentonio said:
You mean like that time he did an interview where he whined about how terribly scared he is, and how he lives in fear walking the streets? Or perhaps that he's played a considerable role in fecking the country up and now says that if it goes completely to the dogs he'll just run away to America?

Such leadership, such bravery..
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Biased opinion
 
Member 5225 said:
Btw how is Farage a coward?
If anything, based on what he's done and how he's 'always in everyone's face' he's the opposite of one!

Utterly buzzing re Brexit!!
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Well he was the first one in the German embassy following Brexit and he already said that if shit hits fan he'll leave the UK.
 
Maybe Brexit has always been a part of are identitty

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39494740

Evidence of ancient 'geological Brexit' revealed

The UK has now started the formal process of leaving the EU, but scientists say they have evidence of a much earlier "Brexit".

They have worked out how a thin strip of land that once connected ancient Britain to Europe was destroyed.

The researchers believe a large lake overflowed 450,000 years ago, damaging the land link, then a later flood fully opened the Dover Strait.

The scars of these events can be found on the seabed of the English Channel.

The study is published in the journal Nature Communications.

Professor Sanjeev Gupta, who led the study, from Imperial College London, said: "This was really one of the defining events for north west Europe - and certainly the defining event in Britain's history.

"This chance geological event, if it hadn't happened, would have meant Britain was always connected to the continent."

More than half a million years ago, in the midst of an Ice Age, a land bridge connected Dover in the South of England to Calais in northern France.

Immediately to the north of it, was a huge glacial lake, which had formed at the edge of an ice sheet that covered much of Europe.

The researchers believe that this lake started to overflow, sending vast amounts of water crashing over the land bridge.

The evidence for this was found at the bottom of the English Channel.

Decades ago, engineers who were surveying the seabed for the Channel Tunnel, discovered a series of mysterious large underwater holes.

Now further scrutiny has revealed that they were most likely caused by the lake overspill.

Prof Gupta said: "These holes are now in-filled with sediment, but what's interesting is that they are not linear features like canyons or valleys - they are isolated depressions.

"And they occur in a line - a whole series of them stretching between Dover and Calais. And they are huge, 100m-deep carved into the bedrock and hundreds of metres to several kilometres in diameter.

"So we interpret these as giant plunge pools. We think there was basically lake water plunging over this rock ridge in the Dover Strait through a whole series of waterfalls, which then eroded and carved out these depressions.

"It's difficult to explain them by any other mechanism."

The researchers believe the lake started to overflow about 450,000 years ago, which would have seriously weakened the land bridge.

But they think a second catastrophic flood that took place about 150,000 years ago would have destroyed it altogether.

"We see this huge valley carved through the strait, about eight to 10km wide... and it has a lot of features that are suggestive of flood erosion," said Prof Gupta.

Co-author Jenny Collier, also from Imperial College London, said it was not clear what caused either of these events.

She said: "Perhaps part of the ice sheet broke off, collapsing into the lake, causing a surge that carved a path for the water to cascade off the chalk ridge.

"In terms of the catastrophic failure of the ridge, maybe an earth tremor, which is still characteristic of this region today, further weakened the ridge.

"This may have caused the chalk ridge to collapse, releasing the megaflood that we have found evidence for in our studies."

The researchers would now like to work out more precise timings of the "geological Brexit".

This would mean drilling into the bottom of the Dover Strait and analysing the age of the sediment.

"But that would be a huge undertaking," admitted Prof Gupta.

"The English Channel is the world's busiest shipping lane and it has huge tidal currents. It will be hugely challenging."
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