They are in it only theoretically. Atletico are the worst side you want to face when they're bringing a slender lead or draw to your place. Chelsea of 2014-15 were a better side and it didn't go well for them.
Champions League QFs (11th - 19th April)
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They are in it only theoretically. Atletico are the worst side you want to face when they're bringing a slender lead or draw to your place. Chelsea of 2014-15 were a better side and it didn't go well for them.
Ah so that's why everyone hates Atletico Madrid.
Hard to know what aspect of their play and general manner to be most repulsed by.
Leicester really do embarrass the rest of the Premier League. Overrated league my ass, every single top side just has a shocking lack of bottle.
Hard to know what aspect of their play and general manner to be most repulsed by.
Leicester really do embarrass the rest of the Premier League. Overrated league my ass, every single top side just has a shocking lack of bottle.
The feck has happened to Muller?
That and the failed pen. Which shouldn't have been a pen in the first place. But i lack the personality to not wish for baseless pens against Real.
Tonight lack of a real striker and lack of a plan B by Ancelotti has happened to him.
btw, without Lewandowski's injury, @giorno would have lost his bet about Müller starting. Ancelotti didn't have plans with him for this match.
Not when it comes to games between top teams. You might have your view biased since you have Messi in your team but most games between the top sides do not produce that many chances. I has been clear however that Bayern are not the same side as the past few years. They control games much less and are more reliant on Robben and Lewandowski, not too dissimilar to the current Barcelona. Real however are just amazing in how much of those little breaks go for them. A missed pen and a red card. Add to that the draw from last year, the red card to Nani few years back. I am not saying it's injustice, just that they seem to get the rub of the green in those tight games quite often.
Yeah, I was only kidding.
I was talking about the first half
Still, like @Sly said, Ronaldo was the only player to have a decent effort that tested Neuer in the first half, too.
Always the caf expect big things from bayern in the cl and when the draw was made the usual crowing that this time bayern will win but nah, in recent times they can not beat the two too spanish sides apart from that magnificent Barca destruction five years or so ago.
Yeah, I don't see Leicester going through to be honest.
You were gash for 70 minutes at home against juventus. You keep referring to that 0-4, but the first leg in the bernabeu was far worse actually, that one we really could have one 5-0. Even Rumenigge and Beckenbauer said how lucky you were to only have lost 1-0. The 3-1 at Oporto, too..
No, it's the other way around. Bayern can outmuscle us in midfield, and did in the first half. They also are more technical. We just have more genuine game-winners, and Cristiano
That's two of us
BTW, card get wiped out after the QF, right? RIGHT?
Neuer pushed Benzemas header against the crossbar in the first halfYeah, I was only kidding.
Still, like @Sly said, Ronaldo was the only player to have a decent effort that tested Neuer in the first half, too.
Well, this is an injury-riddled season (today was his 8th full game for Bayern so far, was also visibly knackered again in the 2nd half). So there's no way he can be at his usual level. His overall standard from 12/13 to 15/16 was ridiculously high for Bayern & Germany.
Well, he played
btw, tie's not over yet. We really should have pushed more to sentence it tonight
I had forgotten about that!
Pretty much this. Martinez decided the game tonight.He's the last one anyone should blame tonight. He was a fecking beast.
Javi Martinez is the reason Bayern lost tonight with his two stupid yellows.
Madrid winning the Champions League would mean they have 3 in 4 years. We have 3 ever. A big club we may be but our European record is pretty poor really.
Anyway I still think Atletico can get hold of it finally. Defensive soundness may be the key to this years CL.
Anyway I still think Atletico can get hold of it finally. Defensive soundness may be the key to this years CL.
This. Watching the match and thinking the same. Since Lewa wasn't playing Bayern main threat came from wide positions and they both closed their flanks. And at the same time you have them also contribute so much offensively on the other side of the pitch.
Both absolutely world class and often overlooked in this team.
I think Juve "should" win this season. They are the only team in the competition that has really convinced me.
Juventus please save us. I cannot stand the sight of the scum winning yet another CL.
I'm asking for Juve because I know that Atletico capitulate every time they face them, and Monaco don't have enough experience at this level.
I'm asking for Juve because I know that Atletico capitulate every time they face them, and Monaco don't have enough experience at this level.
Currently rewatching that second half. I felt Bayern were going to concede one more anyway. Ran around like headless chickens after Ronaldo's first goal. Müller was exceptionally bad. He misstimed pretty much every run during that game. The red just sped up the meltdown and not taking their chances might actually bite Real in the ass. I expect Bayern to up their game quite a bit for the second leg.He's the last one anyone should blame tonight. He was a fecking beast.
Javi Martinez is the reason Bayern lost tonight with his two stupid yellows.
Arrigo Sacchi on italian tv "summer 2014, a close confidant of florentino perez calls me to ask me what i think of James Rodriguez. I told him i don't know the player enough to say. Then i called Ancelotti "They're signing you James." "No, they don't, i told them not to". Ten days later they signed James"
why are they scum?
Another Madrid Derby will be the final, and Real will win it. I just can't see them being beaten.
It's one thing to rate Carvajal as world class. He is very complete. I agree.
But Marcelo? He can't defend well enough and his end product isn't particularly impressive for a player who plays with the freedom he's afforded.
But Marcelo? He can't defend well enough and his end product isn't particularly impressive for a player who plays with the freedom he's afforded.
He's never been that great Pep didn't seem to fancy him, nor does it seem Carlito does either. Muller is a luxury player if the team is playing good he'll look good, but he offers very little and needs to play off a striker to be relevant.
What does this tragedy have to do with Dortmund being not very good generally?
I watched Atletico-Leicester. Is Ramos suspended for the return game?
Müller had his best ever goalscoring season under Pep. 32 goals last season.
He's just been woefully out of form for nearly 12 months.
Cheers.
I still think that is the most open tie but Bayern have got to be nearly perfect.
Id say Atletico-Leicester is 80%
Juve-Barca is 90%
Monaco-Dortmund 70%
Real-Bayern 65%
All teams currently leading advancing for me.
Pretty much
Playing against another world class team. No one was really going to have a huge advantage in the tie.
What gap of class? the red card was the difference or was i watching a different match?
For me:
Atletico-Leicester is 70%
Juve-Barca is 95%
Monaco-Dortmund 60%
Real-Bayern 60%
I think Monaco-Dortmund is the closest one. A game where basically everything is possible as 2 naive attacking teams are playing eachother.
Juve - Barca 90%
Monaco - Dortmund 70%
Atletico - Leicester 90%
Real - Bayern 80%
I don't think that Bayern is able to win at the Bernabeau. Last 3 results: 3-2, 2-1, 1-0.
I can see a draw or Real winning this. I think the tie was decided today already.
So our CL campaign up to this point was not very good? Winning our group ahead of the title holder with the highest amount of goals scored in the tournament´s history? Being the clearly better team in the first KO stage? We were unbeaten at home for more than two years in Europe up until today and with a competent ref we would still be.
Yesterday´s tragedy clearly affected the game. The most visible factor being our currently strongest defender being unable to play and forcing a player who was injured for the vast majority of the season into the starting lineup. The even bigger factor was of course the mental state of the team. Anyone who actually looked at the players faces could see that they actually would have rather been anywhere else than on the pitch (there was a shot of Bürki´s face right before the match which made it painfully clear).
The worst thing about this whole debacle was that there was no actual dialogue between the UEFA and the club/players. The UEFA simply scheduled the game and then gave the club the choice to either attend or not. From what I have heard from people close to the club the initial reaction was actually negative. It was not until word came down from Nyon that the result of not playing would not only be disqualification from this campaign plus a financial fine but also a possible ban for the next season that the club gave in.
Under these circumstances the game today, especially the second half, filled me with immense pride for my team and the support in the stadium. That was far more than I could have expected.
Nonetheless, today was not the first time that I cursed my emotional attachment to my club. Otherwise I would have turned my back to this rotten sport with their inhuman and corrupt governing bodies a long time ago.
The incident yesterday is now considered a tragedy? Did someone die or get seriously injured?
Bayern genuinely can't create chances from open play against Madrid anymore. They scored one header from a corner today but were otherwise mostly neutralized. In 2014 they created nothing in 120 minutes.
Also - Robben, Ribery, Lahm and Alonso will all be gone very soon and replacing them will be very difficult. Bayern, like us, will need to rebuild their team soon.
Also - Robben, Ribery, Lahm and Alonso will all be gone very soon and replacing them will be very difficult. Bayern, like us, will need to rebuild their team soon.
You think Reals' midfielders aren't as technical as Bayerns'? Really?You were gash for 70 minutes at home against juventus. You keep referring to that 0-4, but the first leg in the bernabeu was far worse actually, that one we really could have one 5-0. Even Rumenigge and Beckenbauer said how lucky you were to only have lost 1-0. The 3-1 at Oporto, too..
No, it's the other way around. Bayern can outmuscle us in midfield, and did in the first half. They also are more technical. We just have more genuine game-winners, and Cristiano
That's two of us
BTW, card get wiped out after the QF, right? RIGHT?
Modric and Kroos are probably the 2 most technically gifted midfielders on the planet. The only midfielder for Bayern that would come close is Thiago. I love Vidal, but when it comes to on the ball technical quality, I don't think he comes close to Modric or Kroos, closer to Casemiero.
Bayern has no plan b what so ever. The wingers were ineffective all night and kept running inside with no penetration , but they don't even bother to invert their wingers to stretch the defense laterally and put in a first time cross or a cut back .