Is Mou still 'The Special One' for you all?

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Insanity said:
Never thought he was "The Special One". He always was and will be a self serving douche. Though the douche wins trophies and that is why we hired him. We needed someone with the pedigree and the personality to take us back to where we belong.

Besides the delusional Jose fans, no one thought we would challenge for the title this year; or that we were grand because we signed "The best player each from France, Germany and Italy". The challenge this year is to get back to the champions league and for Jose to assess the squad while showing improvement. I think he is on course to do that. We have already won the league cup, have an excellent chance to win Europa and we have kept up with other teams for a top 4 spot. Pool is third with 60 points having played 2 extra games, City are 4 points ahead having played an extra game, and we are level on points with Arsenal. We aren't really that far behind.

I have gotten frustrated too with our defensive style of play post Christmas, the six at the back in games, the stalled progress of Martial and Shaw, the constant moaning and bitching, the mad substitutions like keeping Fellaini against a parked bus and replacing Mkhi with Rooney, or the spouting of alternative facts like 'people are critical of Pogba because of the money he earns'; but then I remember that I made a Faustian deal when I accepted Jose as my football manager. This all comes with the territory and is pretty standard procedure with him. He did similar things at Chelsea or at Real or at Inter or Chelsea before that. His title winning Chelsea team the year before last season performed similarly to us post Christmas. They went into their shell, become ultra-defensive post the Spurs loss and Jose continued with his nonsense. The major difference was that at Chelsea Jose had the goal scorers who could get him that crucial goal and the midfield and defense that helped him maintain that lead to win games. Anyone remember our game at Stamford Bridge when we had 75% something possession and lost 1-0?

He isn't going to be the manager who is going to massively improve our football like a Poch or a Pep or a Klopp could. Though he is going to improve the overall quality of our squad by clearing out the mediocre players and getting the right experienced additions. He did that at Chelsea: made the right acquisitions in the first two seasons, and they reaped the rewards of it the first time and are reaping it for the second time too. We needed that more than anything after the buffoonery of Moyes, VG and Woodie from 2013-2014 to 2015-2016.

Our performances this season are representative of the quality of our squad at disposal. Our fans should be thrilled if along with our league cup win, we are able to win Europa or get a top spot, or both. Good football is for later. It probably will come post Jose.

Three years, I keep telling myself. That's not a long period in the history of the club. Tolerate him for three years and he would win us our first post Fergie league title.
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What he said.

I'm far from 100% convinced he's anything like a trophy guarantee, I think the insane money we have is more of one than Jose, but at the same time I can't think of anyone I'd prefer right now who's available, so will just put up with all the bollocks that comes with Jose's success, just wish people would kep him away from microphones in public.

salford_ said:
when he said hed rather ten draws and stay undefeated than win 5 and draw 5 was absolutely moronic. Ridiculous mentality
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I'm just surprised that people are surprised.
 
Yes. Mourinho is not only still the Special One but simply the best manager around.
He still has a lot of work to get rid of the deadwood and rot that has settled into the club with the last two managers. He will get his own players in and will get the team dominating the league again.
 
Red Dreams said:
Yes. Mourinho is not only still the Special One but simply the best manager around.
He still has a lot of work to get rid of the deadwood and rot that has settled into the club with the last two managers. He will get his own players in and will get the team dominating the league again.
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He's the best manager around and will come good. But getting rid of the dead wood doesn't include giving a bang average player £100k/week.
 
salford_ said:
when he said hed rather ten draws and stay undefeated than win 5 and draw 5 was absolutely moronic. Ridiculous mentality
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Although it sounds silly, I kind of get where he's coming from. When you consider that United gave only lost 3 games all season, to have lost 5 in 10 games would be a shocking stat for a top team. Drawing games is bad but mentally you can excuse it usually as just lacking a finishing touch in front of goal, but if you were seesawing between wins and losses it would suggest much deeper problems.
 
Kentonio said:
Although it sounds silly, I kind of get where he's coming from. When you consider that United gave only lost 3 games all season, to have lost 5 in 10 games would be a shocking stat for a top team. Drawing games is bad but mentally you can excuse it usually as just lacking a finishing touch in front of goal, but if you were seesawing between wins and losses it would suggest much deeper problems.
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Tbh if you read the full quote, it doesn't sound insane.

That is my feeling. It is good to know we don’t lose many matches - 20 unbeaten. I know 10 draws are 10 points. Five wins and five defeats is fifteen points. What is better? The 15 points obviously.

But in terms of looking at the future I prefer to look at 10 matches, 10 draws. It shows you are quite mentally solid, difficult to be beaten. But the points are the reality.
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Pogue Mahone said:
Always find it strange the way people can rail on Jose being unfair on young players and not giving them enough opportunities in almost the exact same post that they're giving him shit for picking Lingard and Rashford too often. Make your minds up, people!
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There may be some claiming otherwise but a lot of criticism has been regarding his development/treatment of the younger players rather than merely not giving them chances. I'm concerned with the support and most importantly developed of our bright talents. Martial, Rashford, Shaw, TFM etc have all either been mediocre or regressed or both this season.
 
Pochettino, Klopp, Sampaoli, Conte and Simeone are pound for pound all better than Mourinho nowadays IMO.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
Who has won more?
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Mourinho obviously. He is the only manager ever that has spent over a billion dollars in transfer fees.

Mourinho used to be a guy that would extract every last ounce out of his squad at Porto and Inter, but he really isn't anymore. The current squad he has, for instance, is clearly superior to what he had at Porto, yet he's nowhere near the force he used to be.

What Sampaoli did for Chile, what Simeone has done for Atletico, what Pochettino has done for Spurs, what Klopp did for Dortmund and what Conte did for Juventus is not something that I can imagine Jose doing anymore.

Right now Jose is behind Klopp in the league table with a clearly superior, quite a way behind Poch with a slightly better squad, and miles behind Conte with a pretty similar squad.

And yes, I am perfectly aware that Jose will probably spend several hundred millions more in the summer and then likely finish above Klopp and Poch in 2017/18 (because they do not have the same spending power), but that won't do anything to change my mind.

I've also got no doubt in my mind that every one of the coaches i mentioned above would be doing better than Mourinho with the current Manchester United squad, which already has plenty of quality.
 
Infordin said:
Mourinho obviously. He is the only manager ever that has spent over a billion dollars in transfer fees.

Mourinho used to be a guy that would extract every last ounce out of his squad at Porto and Inter, but he really isn't anymore. The current squad he has, for instance, is clearly superior to what he had at Porto, yet he's nowhere near the force he used to be.

What Sampaoli did for Chile, what Simeone has done for Atletico, what Pochettino has done for Spurs, what Klopp did for Dortmund and what Conte did for Juventus is not something that I can imagine Jose doing anymore.

Right now Jose is behind Klopp in the league table with a clearly superior, quite a way behind Poch with a slightly better squad, and miles behind Conte with a pretty similar squad.

And yes, I am perfectly aware that Jose will probably spend several hundred millions more in the summer and then likely finish above Klopp and Poch in 2017/18 (because they do not have the same spending power), but that won't do anything to change my mind.

I've also got no doubt in my mind that every one of the coaches i mentioned above would be doing better than Mourinho with the current Manchester United squad, which already has plenty of quality.
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He earned it. Ronaldo vs anyone on that Porto team was night and day.
When he got the bigger platform he bought from the bigger platform.
It's ridiculous to ask why.
 
Infordin said:
Mourinho obviously. He is the only manager ever that has spent over a billion dollars in transfer fees.

Mourinho used to be a guy that would extract every last ounce out of his squad at Porto and Inter, but he really isn't anymore. The current squad he has, for instance, is clearly superior to what he had at Porto, yet he's nowhere near the force he used to be.

What Sampaoli did for Chile, what Simeone has done for Atletico, what Pochettino has done for Spurs, what Klopp did for Dortmund and what Conte did for Juventus is not something that I can imagine Jose doing anymore.

Right now Jose is behind Klopp in the league table with a clearly superior, quite a way behind Poch with a slightly better squad, and miles behind Conte with a pretty similar squad.

And yes, I am perfectly aware that Jose will probably spend several hundred millions more in the summer and then likely finish above Klopp and Poch in 2017/18 (because they do not have the same spending power), but that won't do anything to change my mind.

I've also got no doubt in my mind that every one of the coaches i mentioned above would be doing better than Mourinho with the current Manchester United squad, which already has plenty of quality.
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So Pochettino, Conte, Klopp are better than Pep too? One more check book manager.
 
Infordin said:
What Sampaoli did for Chile, what Simeone has done for Atletico, what Pochettino has done for Spurs, what Klopp did for Dortmund and what Conte did for Juventus is not something that I can imagine Jose doing anymore.
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Yep and that's the point of getting Jose . We don't need a manager that keeps things as it's and try to squeeze the players to get anything he can from them , on the contrary we need the throw these players away and build a "real" good squad who can compete . That's why Jose and Pep were the only managers who are needed at this point of United history . They're the only managers capable of filtering the squad and build a new one . We don't need a manager who tries to convince us that the squad is great while it's really pretty average , overrated and unbalanced squad .

Our problem is that we rate some if not all of our players much higher than their actual performance on the pitch .We're always giving them excuses , We're always waiting for them to perform while blaming everyone else for their failure .For some players we keep saying " wait for the future " and that future seems to never come . A squad failing to compete for anything higher than 4th in three successive years with 2 managers of complete different styles can only say that the squad is just not good enough no matter how you look at it .
 
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This annoys me beyond no end. Why does Mou insist on keep going defensive at the end of matches when we should be putting the tie to bed. It's happened multiple times this season and it's costing us.

We are Manchester United ffs, we shouldn't try and get to the final solely on 1-0 and away goals. We need to be smashing these clubs if we ever want to be regarded as an elite club ever again.

EDIT: And if you fecking want to play kids, what about giving them more than 5 second and extra time? :confused: What has Fellaini done that TFM couldn't have done?
 
I'm not much for bitching about our players or mourinho, but how many times does he have to do the same mistake with bringing fellaini on to feck up the match?

Puts a guy on as a defensive midfielder that can't even be arsed to follow his runner from midfield.
 
He has a defensive mindset, it will never change. He gave them a way back in with his subs.

Someone said the Fellaini sub got their fans going again. Thought that was a good point.
 
What a horrific manager. Again he cost us by bringing Fellaini on to add 'stability' and 'defensive presence' in line with his cowardly mentality to see out the game. And again he got this shite thrown back right in his face.
 
Mourinho hasn't departed from his old bus parking ways it seems. The most negative top manager in the history of football.
 
Kevin said:
What a horrific manager. Again he cost us by bringing Fellaini on to add 'stability' and 'defensive presence' in line with his cowardly mentality to see out the game. And again he got this shite thrown back right in his face.
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We need to get rid of Fellaini.

I just dont get why every manager likes using him so much. He just brings the level of our team down every time he steps on the pitch.

Yet another mistake by him to gift the opposition a goal today. He had one job and he couldnt do it.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Special 1-1
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lol.

Anyway back to the game, his attacking is shit, so it is not like we can rely on it to make sure the game is dead and buried.

The problem is his defensive organization when we actually try to defend scares the feck out of me and it hardly ever fails to prove me wrong.

And he was supposed to be very good at it.
 
As a Mourinho fan, he's starting to grate. The defensive mentality is killing us.
 
Similar results to LvG and the football is so much faster and better, can't believe how entertained we were.
 
Kevin said:
What a horrific manager. Again he cost us by bringing Fellaini on to add 'stability' and 'defensive presence' in line with his cowardly mentality to see out the game. And again he got this shite thrown back right in his face.
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Used the wrong player to kill off the game. The tactics are fine. But when you have individuals who keep making errors then there isnt much you can do other than not use them.

Same with the attack. The chances are there but never taken.
 
Borden said:
Really worried he's lost his mojo. His players used to seem to want to die for him. This lot look like they can't be bothered getting him a hotdog.
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They were fine in the first half, and I thought they did try for the last ten minutes. The problem is that they were obviously told to slow down the tempo right from the start of the second half. Jose had all four of his signings today, why does he have to be so negative at 1-0?
 
roonster09 said:
So Pochettino, Conte, Klopp are better than Pep too? One more check book manager.
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What have Poch and Klopp ever won? FFS Poch couldn't even get out of the group stages. Yet he's some kind of savior? Poch has been decent by Spurs standards, you'd be complaining about him if he was achieving the same with United.
 
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The fact that he did that against such a shite team. Then the fact that it actually didn't work too. Seriously poor management.
 
Nothing special about bringing on a shit player to defend a 1-0 lead against a shit team. Needs to sort it out next season.
 
He definitely hasn't lived up to his tag as some tactical genius. Was feeling quite optimistic about our general direction not long ago but some of Mourinho's decisions of late don't fill me with confidence that he still has it.

People always try to excuse his negative tactics by saying he's just doing whatever necessary to win. Well it's not working out too well, is it?
 
Let him prove that last year was an anomaly. Unconvinced.
 
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