General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
It's basically just the higher Dilnot proposal (I'm pretty sure Corbyn has endorsed the lower 35k figure?) but with a higher bottom level of 100k. "Dementia tax" had potency when you could end up spending hundreds of thousands because of it. The cap element negates that. But the problem is, they haven't budgeted for it at all.

Going to be very interesting to see if the fundamentals on approval, best PM and economic credibility change on this, because it gets at all three.

Well sort of, although until we have a ballpark on the potential cap it is a completely meaningless U-Turn (except, as you say, the damage to credibility). I mean for all we know the cap could be 100s of thousands.
 
Well sort of, although until we have a ballpark on the potential cap it is a completely meaningless U-Turn (except, as you say, the damage to credibility). I mean for all we know the cap could be 100s of thousands.
Yeah that's true, can you picture the absolute state of CCHQ right now trying to figure out what's acceptable to their voters and what figure on their budget they can blag :lol:

Wasn't planning on watching these Andrew Neil interviews but tonight's may be amazing.
 
And it requires them to say yes.
 
My bet on Corbyn is going well. Put £500 down last night and £571 to cashout already. Holding out for 100 quid. Just need Jezza to keep his mouth shut for about 24 hours and I'm sorted!

Edit: Just cashed it out for £116 profit. Cheers Jezza!
 
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How so? It still places the burden of the cost of social care on those who need it (eg dementia sufferers) rather than pooling the cost like the NHS. Or have I missed something? As I read it, they have just put a cap on the amount of 'dementia tax' one could pay.

And where's that money coming from, Labour's money tree or further borrowing? The rise in private car firms suggests that you'll need a lot to even bring it up to an acceptable standard.
 
My bet on Corbyn is going well. Put £500 down last night and £571 to cashout already. Holding out for 100 quid. Just need Jezza to keep his mouth shut for about 24 hours and I'm sorted!

Edit: Just cashed it out for £116 profit. Cheers Jezza!
That's fantastic work :lol:
 
Tory campaign has been so poor. Frustrates me so much how there's been no opposition to their Brexit position since the referendum. They clearly have no conviction in their positions - if you attack them in a way that highlights how they hurt the 'average man' (as opposed to the benefit class/ immigrants, alas) they seem to fall apart.

Corbyn has run a good campaign. He's doing better in the polls then most people assumed, he's winning back a lot of the Green/ Lib Dem voters that his original leadership campaign said he would. But his performance on Brexit has been appalling, and a stronger Labour leader likely would have been the difference between leave and remain. I shouldn't expect someone so opposed to capitalism to be the final saviour of the world's largest free trade block, but I can't help but see it as such an avoidable catastrophe.

Yours,

A bitter remoaner
 
Its great to see the Theresa May halo slipping though. Her popularity will surely be on the floor in 2-3 years.
 
Every time I see Corbyn speak he is very impressive. So very different from the picture that the majority of the media paints of him.

I'm going to be voting Labour and I feel good about doing it.
 
Its great to see the Theresa May halo slipping though. Her popularity will surely be on the floor in 2-3 years.
There's still some mileage in the "Europe is out to kill us" speech yet.

Tonight's interview could be a big thing, if she's composed and appears in control then she regains some of the narrative, but do badly and it amplifies the chaos of the last weekend.

Polls are interesting as well, seems to be very little change among the over 65s, its the middle aged bracket that's swung.
 
And where's that money coming from, Labour's money tree or further borrowing? The rise in private car firms suggests that you'll need a lot to even bring it up to an acceptable standard.

They can just take it from the Tory money tree.

Tories can't claim ownership of strong and stable or fiscal responsibility when the manifesto changes by billions within days.
 
My bet on Corbyn is going well. Put £500 down last night and £571 to cashout already. Holding out for 100 quid. Just need Jezza to keep his mouth shut for about 24 hours and I'm sorted!

Edit: Just cashed it out for £116 profit. Cheers Jezza!

Well done. I've been recording all my bets for 20 years, and unfortunately politics is the one subject I've been absolutely pasted on, despite following it more closely than the others. My nerve's gone on it!
 
Seriously if the media don't cover all these feckups prominently then i want to hear nothing from you lot about conspiracy media bias

You can call it my bias but look at Kuessenbergs twitter and the wordings , May is clarifying, angry, partial U-Turn and repeats in quotes claims they didnt. Wordings associated to Corbyn on the story Corbyns 'Fantasy Manifesto', Corbyn fake news.

BBC webpage is "T.May changes social care proposals". Subheading is her revising it.

Where's the clanger peices?
 
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They can just take it from the Tory money tree.

Tories can't claim ownership of strong and stable or fiscal responsibility when the manifesto changes by billions within days.
Shouldn't be able to. But can.
 
Would you have remained steadfastly loyal to StW over two decades given their words and actions? Why shouldn't people wonder about Corbyn as a result? He's even had the audacity to accept Andrew Murray on his election staff.
You don't actually think Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser, do you ?
 
Who was the journo who asked May if she was "weak and wobbly"? :lol: Give that man a medal!
 
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Big swings in Wales
 
90k is nothing over 650 constituencies.
 
90k is nothing over 650 constituencies.

2.5 million total as of saturday, around three quarters under 25.

Corbyn polls above 60% for that age group.

And every poll, without exception, weights against young respondents because they traditionally do not vote. In other words, you are not seeing the consequences of that surge in voters within the polls at all.