General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Maybe the Tories could try Jeremy Hunt, and hope the country forgets how badly he handled the NHS. Andrea Leadsome maybe, and gaffe tape her mouth so she doesn't dig herself a hole all the way to Australia. Or they could always go with Jacob Rees-Mogg, and remind everyone they're the perfect party for 18th century aristocrats.
 
Got 3/4 through last night's "Q&As". Has to be said that Jeremy is a really strong campaigner. I've accepted that I'm not where he is on the Labour Party spectrum but he's done a brilliant job through the election, and he continued that last night. He was warm, confident and looked at ease in the face of a dreadful showing from Paxman. If it's a close election it will be in large part because he's won over so many people who had been caught up in the propaganda of the last two years. Well done to him.

May... I'm sure it's all been said really. She's just fecking dreadful. Looked unconfident and uncomfortable during the audience questions, and I can't believe she'll have won over any voters last night. But surely this was the danger all along... a campaign focused on May's strength of personality that wouldn't trust her with any unvetted public access. This was a bubble that was always going to burst. Dreadful campaign.

Woeful arrogance from the start, aye. All based on the presumption she'd win no matter what, irrespective of how shite her campaign was.

Again, as I said last night - if she's so insistent that Corbyn is 'dangerous,' then she had a perfectly valid way to deny him office until the Brexit process was completed. A process which involved...not calling a general election.
 
fecking hell, could you imagine if they actually got that through?:lol:

I'm way more entertained by the prospect of all this than I reasonably should be. If it all goes tits up we've got a few months more of free movement right enough...might just move while I can...
Alas, loads of Labour backbenchers don't want PR so wouldn't happen, but still I can dream :lol:
 
Not sure if this has been covered in this thread but Corbyn might also be appearing tomorrow on the leaders debate, again exposing Her Royal Strong and Stable Highness.
He's scheduled to be at a rally here in Bristol tomorrow evening.
 
Oh god :lol:

Genuinely think we'd get another election within a few months if that was the seat count, reckon the Tories would axe May and install someone less weird.
If we get a hung parliament how long before the next election and would the Tories realistically have time for the needed leadership change?
 
Personally, I hope he reconsiders. As long as he doesn't send in Abbott though, the damage will be small.
Thornberry is the one supposedly going to be there if it isn't Corbyn.
 
To be fair I don't think anyone would suspect such a coalition to last more than ten minutes: the SNP would demand a referendum, Sinn Fein would demand one, the Lib Dems would expect a much more centrist economic policy than Corbyn is comfortable with, and Plaid would probably want something nice and cuddly for Wales. But it'd be funny to see it happen even symbolically, and would certainly result in another election which would be incredibly damaging for the Tories in regards to their Brexit plans.

A few days ago, the mother of a Jewish friend of mine said that she would feel like curling into a ball if Corbyn won, through despair and fear. I'm starting to get a little concerned myself, albeit more generally focused. Jeremy can have his moral victory instead, and significantly reduce May's hoped for majority (the latter being no bad thing really).

It's all right for you, if the SNP win the second Indy Ref Corbyn can be told to piss off in short order. :)
 
A few days ago, the mother of a Jewish friend of mine said that she would feel like curling into a ball if Corbyn won, through despair and fear. I'm starting to get a little concerned myself, albeit more generally focused. Jeremy can have his moral victory instead, and significantly reduce May's hoped for majority (the latter being no bad thing really).

It's all right for you, if the SNP win the second Indy Ref Corbyn can be told to piss off in short order. :)

Labour have had certain problems with anti-semitism under Corbyn, but I'm not sure it'd be a particularly prevalent problem - Corbyn himself has condemned anti-semitism, and the Labour party as a whole (including MP's etc) are very pro-Israel.
 
If we get a hung parliament how long before the next election and would the Tories realistically have time for the needed leadership change?
They could just do it by acclamation pretty quickly I suppose, but I can imagine if they'd thrown away a 20 point lead in the space of a month then they'd be too busy slaughtering one another to come to a consensus. Would be genuine chaos to make 2010 and 2016 aftermaths look pretty serene you'd think.
 
You're all getting carried away,imo.

It will be Brexit all the way now though - which is difficult for the other parties to attack as their declared views are couched somewhere between non-existent and wait & see. Crosby & Tories not having it that the personal attacks on Jezza don't seem to be working though.

There was a voter interviewed on the Daily Politics today as they canvassed views in Luton as to which party offered most reassurance on defence issues...

''the red one, the one with the rose, because I like the rose''
 
A few days ago, the mother of a Jewish friend of mine said that she would feel like curling into a ball if Corbyn won, through despair and fear. I'm starting to get a little concerned myself, albeit more generally focused. Jeremy can have his moral victory instead, and significantly reduce May's hoped for majority (the latter being no bad thing really).

It's all right for you, if the SNP win the second Indy Ref Corbyn can be told to piss off in short order. :)
It's a weird one- most of the jews I know are massively pro-Labour. From what I can gather, the Hampstead synagogue is a real place of financial services networking.
 
You're all getting carried away,imo.

It will be Brexit all the way now though - which is difficult for the other parties to attack as their declared views are couched somewhere between non-existent and wait & see. Crosby & Tories not having it that the personal attacks on Jezza don't seem to be working though.

There was a voter interviewed on the Daily Politics today as they canvassed views in Luton as to which party offered most reassurance on defence issues...

''the red one, the one with the rose, because I like the rose''
We definitely are, but it's funner the speculating about the precise size of the Tory majority :D
 
Labour have had certain problems with anti-semitism under Corbyn, but I'm not sure it'd be a particularly prevalent problem - Corbyn himself has condemned anti-semitism, and the Labour party as a whole (including MP's etc) are very pro-Israel.

I don't know her deeper feelings toward the wider Labour Party; it sounded more like an instinctive reaction in my view, likely going back some years.
 
Interestingly apparently this YouGov prediction has 18-24 turnout at 57%. A lot lower than the Survation poll.
 
The YouGov model was tested in the EU referendum and consistently came up with Leave winning which is why it was dismissed. I am still highly sceptical but the sheer fact the Tories are remotely sweating on even getting a majority is a demonstration of the Theresa May's incompetence.
 
They could just do it by acclamation pretty quickly I suppose, but I can imagine if they'd thrown away a 20 point lead in the space of a month then they'd be too busy slaughtering one another to come to a consensus. Would be genuine chaos to make 2010 and 2016 aftermaths look pretty serene you'd think.
Wow, destruction of Labour turns to the Tories in three months. A week really is a long time in politics. Urgh, Boris or Gove...
 


I've got a funny feeling Cambridge Analytica are behind the Tory Propaganda Machine. Mercer did his work with the two leave campaigns and he's now working on the Tories.
 
Worth saying that Ashcroft is doing a similar seat modelling projection, and is coming up with estimates between 80-160 seat majorities for the Tories :lol: And they were both wrong in 2015. Feck knows anymore.
 
New poll. Taken from another forum.

YouGov/Times VI poll (conducted over the last week)

Con 42 (-1)
Lab 38 (+2)
LD 9 (nc)
UKIP 4 (nc)

Changes from their Sunday Times poll.
 
As a renter, I think a Land Value Tax is great. Even if I end up paying it through increased rent, put the burden on the owner!
 
New poll. Taken from another forum.

YouGov/Times VI poll (conducted over the last week)

Con 42 (-1)
Lab 38 (+2)
LD 9 (nc)
UKIP 4 (nc)

Changes from their Sunday Times poll.

Interesting...
 
Tories aren't going to lose seats. They'll gain quite a lot. I imagine what the seat projection will do though is scare a few who were on the fence into voting for Conservatives to avoid the coalition of chaos.

Nice thought though seeing some of the polls recently.
 
Tories aren't going to lose seats. They'll gain quite a lot. I imagine what the seat projection will do though is scare a few who were on the fence into voting for Conservatives to avoid the coalition of chaos.

Nice thought though seeing some of the polls recently.

I still think they'll gain and that the projections are wrong, but I don't think they're that wrong. She'll maybe end up with a 20-30 seat majority. And that's if things stay like they are at the moment. Corbyn's got the momentum and may continue to gain.
 
With the Y-axis


Even smaller over the past year...

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Still funny that a single poll can move it like that.
 
Tories will definitely gain seats. No chance they lose any.

I'm thinking 40-50 odd seats gained, but hoping that the figure is closer to 20-30. Anything that undermines May (which is any result bar a landslide) is good.
 
Even smaller over the past year...

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Still funny that a single poll can move it like that.
Whilst we are looking at such a beautiful graph showing the collapse of the pound after the Brexit vote, let us not forget that people tried to claim that the Brexit vote was good the markets because the FTSE 100 rose, proving that many leavers are financially illiterate.

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AXA Japan Fund grew after the Brexit referendum.... Why, because they are trading with the UK and UK parts are now cheaper? Err, no, it's a foreign asset, and we are measuring in pounds, so it became more expensive to buy.

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Same with Korea

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Same with Africa

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And yes, same with the FTSE 100. The FTSE 100 contains companies like Shell, HSBC, BP, etc. Companies that have virtually all their assets outside of the UK, and those assets became much more valuable when measured in pounds post Brexit.

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FTSE 100 when measured in USD however, performed much more poorly.

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Likewise, the FTSE 250 when measured in GBP has risen constantly. The assets the companies hold outside of the UK are enough to give it a boost.

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But when measured in USD, the FTSE 250 performed more poorly.
 
Add a falling pound to years of QE and anyone in Britain with assets has done very well financially. I've gained personally but if the under 30s aren't happy about it I don't blame them for a minute.
 
Add a falling pound to years of QE and anyone in Britain with assets has done very well financially. I've gained personally but if the under 30s aren't happy about it I don't blame them for a minute.
Just another way brexit gave the older generation a boost and scewed over the youth. A 55 year old with a globally weighted pension pot got a nice 20% boost at just the right time. Whilst the 25 year olds get rising fuel and food costs from the falling pound