General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Just started watching now. I'd forgotten how boring Leanne Wood's voice is. Oh, and where's Sturgeon?

Robertson is their leader in the HoC so I think that's fair enough. I think she turned up in 2015 though, didn't she? So it's a bit of a change from them.
 
Robertson is their leader in the HoC so I think that's fair enough. I think she turned up in 2015 though, didn't she? So it's a bit of a change from them.

She was in the ITV debate too.
 
I always thought of the BBC as the champion for telling the news without any bias and only facts. Some of the stories and reports I've seen over the last few days have actually scared me. If the BBC can't cover an election without backing a horse who is left for us to trust with giving us balanced news?
Is there such a thing anymore or was there ever such a thing, maybe I'm just being naive
 
I always thought of the BBC as the champion for telling the news without any bias and only facts. Some of the stories and reports I've seen over the last few days have actually scared me. If the BBC can't cover an election without backing a horse who is left for us to trust with giving us balanced news?
Is there such a thing anymore or was there ever such a thing, maybe I'm just being naive
Spot on - agree fully
 
So BBC News saw fit to broadcast Rudd saying Corbyn voted against "anti-terror" legislation but not Corbyn's reply that The Appeaser and David Davis did so too. Where did Ubik get to?
That's appalling - but I'm not surprised. BBC not be trusted anymore I don't think. Scary scary times.
 
Can't see how anyone thought Rudd did well. Came across as thoroughly unlikeable.

Farron was entertaining but not a man of substance, Lucas and the SNP guy were brilliant.

Nuttall was a shambles but effective in that he helped provide a very useful shield for Rudd to hide behind.

Corbyn was solid, not brilliant but not bad.. only area he struggled was immigration, where he gave a fantastic second answer on managed migration but was wishy washy on the first question.

Welsh lady was pointless.
 
Just started watching now. I'd forgotten how boring Leanne Wood's voice is. Oh, and where's Sturgeon?
Robertson is the Westminster leader. Think it was also tactical as his seat is under threat from the Tories.
So BBC News saw fit to broadcast Rudd saying Corbyn voted against "anti-terror" legislation but not Corbyn's reply that The Appeaser and David Davis did so too. Where did Ubik get to?
Nah, must be some mistake. BBC is lefty as feck supposedly.
 
So BBC News saw fit to broadcast Rudd saying Corbyn voted against "anti-terror" legislation but not Corbyn's reply that The Appeaser and David Davis did so too. Where did Ubik get to?
Dunno, maybe I was the one pointing out that she'd done so in this thread yesterday.
 
Can't see how anyone thought Rudd did well. Came across as thoroughly unlikeable.

Farron was entertaining but not a man of substance, Lucas and the SNP guy were brilliant.

Nuttall was a shambles but effective in that he helped provide a very useful shield for Rudd to hide behind.

Corbyn was solid, not brilliant but not bad.. only area he struggled was immigration, where he gave a fantastic second answer on managed migration but was wishy washy on the first question.

Welsh lady was pointless.

I'm hopeful that Nuttall managed to appeal to his core demographic.

We all know there's some right troglodytes in this country, it's helpful to have that vote split between two parties.
 
Robertson is the Westminster leader. Think it was also tactical as his seat is under threat from the Tories.

Nah, must be some mistake. BBC is lefty as feck supposedly.
That makes sense. Debating BBC bias is like discussing referees- both sides will always feel like they get stiffed.
 
Anyone seen any good, convincing leaflets exposing the Tories plans re: the Naylor Report and the NHS sell-off? Can't really drop a video through a letterbox.
 
Anyone seen any good, convincing leaflets exposing the Tories plans re: the Naylor Report and the NHS sell-off? Can't really drop a video through a letterbox.

Leaflets no*, but there is a good video circling, sadly not enough. The Naylor Report is a disgrace.

EDIT* Not that I've seen I should say.
 
fecking hell I'd only just got home from a festival when it was starting, that's only a 10 minute walk from me and I didn't even realise it was happening :(
Here's what we missed. I stayed home. Skip the first 6 mins.
 
So BBC News saw fit to broadcast Rudd saying Corbyn voted against "anti-terror" legislation but not Corbyn's reply that The Appeaser and David Davis did so too. Where did Ubik get to?
yeah that annoyed me! ive never bought into the whole bias BBC thing im starting to now sadly
 
:lol:

There's not much else I can say to you. I have no idea what you've read, or where you've read it, to come to that conclusion, but it's simply incongruous with reality and sums up the lack of knowledge both of the EU as a whole, and the Brexit process, that has sadly characterised the debate over the last year.

I'm not going to be the one to sit here and argue against your delusions, it's already painful enough to read you posts without encouraging you to do it more, it's just sad that you can be wrong with such confidence.

Made a relevant point which you ignored. If the EU is wanting assurances about residents living here, and their children and grandchildren, it's obvious they are accepting that free movement is probably coming to an end in the UK, yes?
Otherwise they wouldn't be asking for such assurances, would they?
 
After that farce of a biased audience, she would have been set up. She won the awful debate by not showing up.
So she gave Corbyn less ammunition by not turning up?, even if she did he wouldn't have got any answers out of her. Looks better for Labour that she didn't show IMO
 
Anyone seen any good, convincing leaflets exposing the Tories plans re: the Naylor Report and the NHS sell-off? Can't really drop a video through a letterbox.
Is there actually a balanced report on this review? When I google it I just get a load of crackpot shit.
Securitising property to free up cash can be cost-effective when do well. It takes buildings maintenance off your balance sheet and provide a capital injection. Not seen the review and the proposals in this specific review though.
 
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Honestly, if Nuttall can get a big applause, I don't think bias was such a problem. The reason the Tories have lost as much ground as they have is because they've been completely shit and uninspiring.
 
Was the audience notably pro-Labour?
It was picked using data from polls. Apparently it was representative of the electorate. If Corbyn got more applause it might have been due in no small part to the fact that May held the audience (and the wider nation) in contempt with her absence.
 
https://twitter.com/i/moments/870039073301442560

Thursday front pages:

City AM: PM urges country to unite behind Brexit "opportunities"
Independent Digital: Corbyn: winning is the only result I'll take
The National (Scottish paper): Missing May is 'u-turn' queen
Daily Mail: Fury at bias on BBC TV debate
i: Ambush
The Sun: PM: Vote Tory for best Brexit
The Guardian: Corbyn confronts Rudd on cuts in fractious TV debate
The Times: Have faith in me: May fights back with Brexit
Daily Star: Corbyn does a u-turn
Daily Express: Corbyn's plot to bring in migrant workers
Metro: The lady's not for turning... up
 
Made a relevant point which you ignored. If the EU is wanting assurances about residents living here, and their children and grandchildren, it's obvious they are accepting that free movement is probably coming to an end in the UK, yes?
Otherwise they wouldn't be asking for such assurances, would they?

I didn't ignore it. I told you it was wrong.

The EU's position from the start has obviously, and unambiguously, been that the UK is either out or in, if it wants access to the single market then that means free movement, if it wants to end free movement then that means no access. Britain can't, to borrow an overused phrase, have its cake and eat it.

You're almost sounding like you think the EU has left the UK and is itself the one desperate for a deal. In reality it's our PM on TV trying to get the public ready for a disastrous 'no deal' Brexit.