General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Oh wait, it's London voting intention. That makes sense, Labour will clean up in London. Thought it was nation wide.
 
Although, we are seeing Tories losing points across all polls right now. Still ahead, but it shows the gap is definitely closing nation wide. Labour has all the momentum (no pun intended).
 
She's making Howard Hughes seem outgoing.
 
It's fecking hilarious that May clearly knows she'd do more harm by attending these things and speaking than she does by hiding.

Or it would be if I was confident she'd lose.
 
Even if they win, I can't see her lasting an entire term. I give her 3 more years maximum.
 
That pesky electorate expecting the Prime Minister to appear before them and answer questions, what do they think this is? An election?
 
From Yougov's experimental model:

Conservative:
Polling: 40—45%"> 42%
Seats: 285—353"> 317

Labour:
Polling: 35—41%"> 38%
Seats: 219—285"> 253

Their traditional model shows Labour at 39% and Tories at 42%
 
Even if they win, I can't see her lasting an entire term. I give her 3 more years maximum.
It depends on the majority. If they get 350+ seats, she'll last the term imo. If they barely escape a hung parliament, she'll be gone in a year/two years. If it is a hung parliament, then that's all she wrote.
 
Even if they win, I can't see her lasting an entire term. I give her 3 more years maximum.
She'll do the Brexit shenanigans then hand off to someone else so they don't take the blame.
 
The strange morphing into 2015 redux continues

 
I suppose he has to be adamant about this as it otherwise plays into the whole Coalition of Chaos narrative.
Trouble is, people didn't believe it in 2015. But people also thought it was a realistic outcome then, don't think it's filtered through that it could happen this time yet.
 
First bit of advertising by any party here

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"No is no" said the PSOE's leader Sánchez in Spain. Chaos followed both in the country and his party as he was adamant that there would be no deals or pacts. Wouldn't a chaotic fractious hung parliament be disastrous for a naysaying Labour party as they would take the blame for any Brexit calamities ? I think he should be careful what negatives he commits himself to so much that he can't backtrack.
 
"No is no" said the PSOE's leader Sánchez in Spain. Chaos followed both in the country and his party as he was adamant that there would be no deals or pacts. Wouldn't a chaotic fractious hung parliament be disastrous for a naysaying Labour party as they would take the blame for any Brexit calamities ?
You can form a government without any deals, Thornberry said today that they'd put forward a Queen's speech and it would be up the the likes of the SNP to either vote it through or allow a Tory government to form. It's a nuanced point that didn't really work in 2015 but is all they can really say at this point.
 
Not that it as at all top of the agenda but you would think someone in the Tory party would have gotten Theresa a stylist by now !!!
 
Looking at the polls now I have to ask where we would be if the PLP had supported the democratically elected leader rather than trying to sabotage his chances from the get-go?
 
Looking at the polls now I have to ask where we would be if the PLP had supported the democratically elected leader rather than trying to sabotage his chances from the get-go?
There probably wouldn't have been an election in the first place. Can you imagine the look on Jess Phillips' face if her constant media appearances not only didn't get Corbyn out of the Labour leadership but indirectly helped him get into No.10?
 
Not that it as at all top of the agenda but you would think someone in the Tory party would have gotten Theresa a stylist by now !!!
Just looking like she isn't trying to give someone a blowjob in every picture she takes would help. The images make my little man want to disappear inside me every time I see them.
 
There probably wouldn't have been an election in the first place. Can you imagine the look on Jess Phillips' face if her constant media appearances not only didn't get Corbyn out of the Labour leadership but indirectly helped him get into No.10?
Lets hope. 2 weeks more and we might have turned it around enough to get the win. I think the turn around has come too late. I hope I'm wrong. As of now a hung parliament would be a major victory.
If I was Corbyn I would work with Wales and Scotland to keep the Wicked Witch of the South West out of office.
 
You can form a government without any deals, Thornberry said today that they'd put forward a Queen's speech and it would be up the the likes of the SNP to either vote it through or allow a Tory government to form. It's a nuanced point that didn't really work in 2015 but is all they can really say at this point.
True, but time after time there could be deals done with the SNP or whoever which might end up detrimental to a Labour government. If they are absolutely dependent on the Greens or Scottish and Welsh nationalist parties they may have to agree to things which could easily be portrayed as negative for the rest.

There's a danger that the tactic of "Well, it's your fault, you voted the Tories back in" will lead to more chaos, which during the Brexit negotiations could lead to disaster. Blaming someone else for everything, including your own failings or miscalculations, is a very dodgy strategy in the long term. You can see this happening in Spain between the PSOE and Podemos.

I don't disagree with the idea of a minority Labour government, but they should be careful how strongly they commit to or refuse to do things. A U-turn is a U-turn no matter who does it.
 
Trouble is, people didn't believe it in 2015. But people also thought it was a realistic outcome then, don't think it's filtered through that it could happen this time yet.

The other difference this time:

The Tory strategy has been "it's either Corbyn or May". And people seem to be saying (at least more than expected - even if the Conservatives do end up getting their healthy majority) actually we quite like Corbyn.

Despite two years of constant demonisation Corbyn doesn't seem to be complete electoral poison. I don't think you can create a narrative in one week that turns people off of Corbyn because "he might have to work with the SNP"

They've already blown their load with regards to fear mongering.
 
Christ Farron was awful in that Neil interview.

The other difference this time:

The Tory strategy has been "it's either Corbyn or May". And people seem to be saying (at least more than expected - even if the Conservatives do end up getting their healthy majority) actually we quite like Corbyn.

Despite two years of constant demonisation Corbyn doesn't seem to be complete electoral poison. I don't think you can create a narrative in one week that turns people off of Corbyn because "he might have to work with the SNP"

They've already blown their load with regards to fear mongering.
Bear in mind that just prior to 2015, YouGov had Ed at 35% favourable (-21 net). Corbyn's currently at 30 (-28 net), a lot higher than he has been, certainly, and just rewards for a very good campaign showing, but he's still not particularly popular with the public (and I don't think Ed had it much easier with the press). I think people in marginals particularly do think about the likely resulting government, it certainly came up in vox pops in places like Nuneaton post-2015, so it could well happen again. But you're also quite possibly right that this his already been priced in for voters.
 
The other difference this time:

The Tory strategy has been "it's either Corbyn or May". And people seem to be saying (at least more than expected - even if the Conservatives do end up getting their healthy majority) actually we quite like Corbyn.

Despite two years of constant demonisation Corbyn doesn't seem to be complete electoral poison. I don't think you can create a narrative in one week that turns people off of Corbyn because "he might have to work with the SNP"

They've already blown their load with regards to fear mongering.


Don't underestimate the Tories and their press, there's still time to sink to new lows and always new lies to peddle.
 
Very true. Corbyn will have some involvement in Princess Di's death before the weekend is over if the polls keep closing.

Or how he accepted the 30 pieces of silver, didn't see the iceberg, or how he was the man on the grassy knoll.
 
Theresa May is a fecking disgrace. She calls for an election and then doesn't even have the decency to face the country in televised debates. Her only public appearances are with 20-30 stage managed factory workers in factories. Cringey.

If the Tories win, they'll get rid of her as soon as possible.
 
Theresa May is a fecking disgrace. She calls for an election and then doesn't even have the decency to face the country in televised debates. Her only public appearances are with 20-30 stage managed factory workers in factories. Cringey.

If the Tories win, they'll get rid of her as soon as possible.

Bloody difficult women......in front of the public
 
I'm glad our strong and stable leadership is speaking out against that flapping great cnut Trump and his attempts to destroy the future of the world.