Incident on London Bridge

The thing that really annoys me about all this is when I think back to the vote on bombing Syria...or more specifically all of the MPs who were literally having a good laugh about it and the suggestion of debating it, seconds after voting in favour of dropping bombs on people's homes.

There's no hiding from the fact that these incidents we're having now are at the very least connected to that vote (The Manchester bomber's sister even suggested that attack was a direct result of it).

It also wasn't exactly a difficult or unlikely course of events to predict, at the time that vote was made...yet they all thought it was fecking hilarious. It was infuriating at the time. Is what's happening here funny?

These are desperate or hate filled people acting out of revenge or blind illogical anger. They have no plan for overall victory or grand scheme of events. You can't fight them by dropping bombs on people's homes or treating them like an army you can just wipe out. The only way you beat them is by taking away their meaning or cause...yet our media and politicians always seem intent on fuelling it instead.
 
what ever happened to criticise the post and not the poster? Just because someone doesnt see the world the way you do doesnt mean you have to call them stupid?
 
sammsky1 said:
our country is the cause of alot of this reactionary terrorism.
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That might suggest there is some understandable motive behind these atrocities, which affords these terrorists far too much credence. Nothing can justify these utterly insane, selfish acts. They are monsters, not rebels with a cause.
 
Acole9 said:
The reporter is suggesting we could go back up to critical, whilst this doesn't mean a great deal surely we can't keep flicking between the two? They'll come a point where we have to stay at critical.
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From what I've gathered over the past week or so the 'critical' level is only typically in the aftermath of an attack if some major links/loose ends remain doubtful to the point where they think someone may be on the loose and actively trying to perpetrate an attack. While 'severe' means they're constantly dealing with possible threats but don't have quite the same expectation of an attack as with critical.
 
Reports just in.

First two incidents on London Bridge and nearby restaurant are being treated as terrorist incidents. The attack at Borough Market was just a stabbing and is being treated as a separate incident.

Reports now saying there were 5 attackers, one in a restaurant and 4 outside. That kind of ties up with the reports, but not sure if that includes the Bridge incident as well.

I have been switching between Sky, BBC and CNN. BBC seem to be reporting anything they hear while Sky seems very restrained and is really only trying to report when they get conformation of things, especially restrained compared to the BBC coverage. CNN however is insane, you would think that there was a war going on in London at the moment, their coverage is horrendous, so sensationalised, OTT and overly graphic too.
 
Must be so difficult for the security services and the Police to monitor this stuff and provide effective prevention outside of proper lockdown.

Thoughts go out to all the victims.

Don't understand why every attack has to lead to a debate about religion - what Id rather discuss is how we as a nation can work together to prevent future atrocities and what harsh measures may need to be taken.

Racists and people in utter denial are not helping the situation. An objective and clear headed approach has to be taken and the root causes identified and tackled instead of the blame game based on pushing your own agenda.
 
We're either going to address the "problem" or this is just going to continue happening. There's no two ways about it.
 
Pexbo said:
These groups target the mentally ill and radicalise them. It's not a case of being naturally drawn to Islam, it's a case of the terroists identifying them and grooming them.
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So what your saying is that it's a group of people who are convincing them to do these things in the name of islam? If so, then the thing to do is to figure out who this group is and find out why they want mentally ill people to kill in the name of islam and take down this group.
 
2.5 hrs after this thread was made...

We don't know how many attackers there were, possibly up to 5.
We don't have any idea about the number of dead.
Police don't seem to be sure that it's over
 
People blaming the Tories on my social media feed can piss the feck off.

I'm not voting Tory in the election, but every god damned terrorist attrocity is the same: "This is all the government's fault" - it's all I hear and it's wearing thin.
 
Dumat12 said:
We're either going to address the "problem" or this is just going to continue happening. There's no two ways about it.
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How do we deal with the 'problem' though? What do you mean by this?
 
the hea said:
The thing we need to figure out is why all these mentally ill people are so drawn to islam. It seems almost all of these attacks by mentally ill people are done in the name of islam so figuring that out will get us a lot closer to the solution.
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These 'people' don't belong to any religion other than hate, of others and themselves.
 
langster said:
Reports just in.

First two incidents on London Bridge and nearby restaurant are being treated as terrorist incidents. The attack at Borough Market was just a stabbing and is being treated as a separate incident.

Reports now saying there were 5 attackers, one in a restaurant and 4 outside. That kind of ties up with the reports, but not sure if that includes the Bridge incident as well.

I have been switching between Sky, BBC and CNN. BBC seem to be reporting anything they hear while Sky seems very restrained and is really only trying to report when they get conformation of things, especially restrained compared to the BBC coverage. CNN however is insane, you would think that there was a war going on in London at the moment, their coverage is horrendous, so sensationalised, OTT and overly graphic too.
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you mean Vauxhall at para 2?

which is now stated as not related to #1 & #2 at the bridge & in the market
 
noodlehair said:
The thing that really annoys me about all this is when I think back to the vote on bombing Syria...or more specifically all of the MPs who were literally having a good laugh about it and the suggestion of debating it, seconds after voting in favour of dropping bombs on people's homes.

There's no hiding from the fact that these incidents we're having now are at the very least connected to that vote (The Manchester bomber's sister even suggested that attack was a direct result of it).

It also wasn't exactly a difficult or unlikely course of events to predict, at the time that vote was made...yet they all thought it was fecking hilarious. It was infuriating at the time. Is what's happening here funny?

These are desperate or hate filled people acting out of revenge or blind illogical anger. They have no plan for overall victory or grand scheme of events. You can't fight them by dropping bombs on people's homes or treating them like an army you can just wipe out. The only way you beat them is by taking away their meaning or cause...yet our media and politicians always seem intent on fuelling it instead.
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That's the sensible way of looking at it. Sadly most of the country would prefer to intervene in middle eastern countries and show our military strength and demonstrate our robust security and defence.

Media will seize on events like this to prove we need strong leader in power who is capable of going to war.
 
Cheesy said:
How do we deal with the 'problem' though? What do you mean by this?
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The problem with this problem is that if any are killed it fuels the fire for more replacements elsewhere, but you don't act and they see it as weakness it's a lose lose situation I'm afraid. And I'm being put on standby if it escalates which I sincerely hope not.
 
17 Van der Gouw said:
People blaming the Tories on my social media feed can piss the feck off.

I'm not voting Tory in the election, but every god damned terrorist attrocity is the same: "This is all the government's fault" - it's all I hear and it's wearing thin.
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At least people don't blame your country and its people.
 
Dumat12 said:
We're either going to address the "problem" or this is just going to continue happening. There's no two ways about it.
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There's been a lot of discussion on what "the problem" might be.

Personally, I think that if you stop creating refugees (a lot of whom are unsurprisingly angry as their loved ones have recently perished) with sustained bombing campaigns and stop arming some of the worst offenders then you will go some way to subsiding the hate.
 
rcoobc said:
2.5 hrs after this thread was made...

We don't know how many attackers there were, possibly up to 5.
We don't have any idea about the number of dead.
Police don't seem to be sure that it's over
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It's worrying. A lot of uncertainty around the whole situation. They're probably not 100% on how many suspects exactly or simply the fact they've not captured them all yet.
 
Pexbo said:
There's been a lot of discussion on what "the problem" might be.

Personally, I think that if you stop creating refugees (a lot of whom are unsurprisingly angry as their loved ones have recently perished) with sustained bombing campaigns and stop arming some of the worst offenders then you will go some way to subsiding the hate.
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I agree.
 
montpelier said:
you mean Vauxhall at para 2?

which is now stated as not related to #1 & #2 at the bridge & in the market
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Yeah, sorry got it the wrong way round. Separate stabbing incident not connected to the other two. I suppose we have to be grateful for small mercies that it's 2 incidents and not 3.
 
rcoobc said:
2.5 hrs after this thread was made...

We don't know how many attackers there were, possibly up to 5.
We don't have any idea about the number of dead.
Police don't seem to be sure that it's over
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You can be sure that the police know more than they are telling us right know. In a situation like this informing the public about the number of casualties is pretty low on the priority list.
 
17 Van der Gouw said:
People blaming the Tories on my social media feed can piss the feck off.

I'm not voting Tory in the election, but every god damned terrorist attrocity is the same: "This is all the government's fault" - it's all I hear and it's wearing thin.
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It is the government's fault though...although it's not limited to the Tories. It was Blair who decided to follow America into starting this mess despite clearly being aware of the potential consequences as it turns out he admmitted in his own memos.

It was our MPs who voted to bomb Syria. It was our own PM in Cameron at the time who literally said "anyone who doesn't vote to bomb Syria is a terrorist"...these inciidents aren't just happening for no reason. They're a reaction to the UK government and it's halfwit politicians fecking around with things that cost lives as if it is some kind of game.
 
Pexbo said:
There's been a lot of discussion on what "the problem" might be.

Personally, I think that if you stop creating refugees (a lot of whom are unsurprisingly angry as their loved ones have recently perished) with sustained bombing campaigns and stop arming some of the worst offenders then you will go some way to subsiding the hate.
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Spot on.
 
Raees said:
Must be so difficult for the security services and the Police to monitor this stuff and provide effective prevention outside of proper lockdown.

Thoughts go out to all the victims.

Don't understand why every attack has to lead to a debate about religion - what Id rather discuss is how we as a nation can work together to prevent future atrocities and what harsh measures may need to be taken.

Racists and people in utter denial are not helping the situation. An objective and clear headed approach has to be taken and the root causes identified and tackled instead of the blame game based on pushing your own agenda.
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The first step is to say it as it is. It is a small member of the Muslim community that is doing this. From there everybody works together to eradicate it. The Muslim community would have to play a huge part in helping our country out, their country out.

In the future it may be a small sect from within another community which is at large and we take it from there. But the police can't stop this alone, our communities have a huge part to play.
 
noodlehair said:
The thing that really annoys me about all this is when I think back to the vote on bombing Syria...or more specifically all of the MPs who were literally having a good laugh about it and the suggestion of debating it, seconds after voting in favour of dropping bombs on people's homes.

There's no hiding from the fact that these incidents we're having now are at the very least connected to that vote (The Manchester bomber's sister even suggested that attack was a direct result of it).

It also wasn't exactly a difficult or unlikely course of events to predict, at the time that vote was made...yet they all thought it was fecking hilarious. It was infuriating at the time. Is what's happening here funny?

These are desperate or hate filled people acting out of revenge or blind illogical anger. They have no plan for overall victory or grand scheme of events. You can't fight them by dropping bombs on people's homes or treating them like an army you can just wipe out. The only way you beat them is by taking away their meaning or cause...yet our media and politicians always seem intent on fuelling it instead.
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It's a good job you're an anonymous internet poster otherwise you'd be on the front page of tomorrow's Mail being called a terrorist sympathiser.
 
Cheesy said:
How do we deal with the 'problem' though? What do you mean by this?
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By addressing the fact that modern Islam is not compatible with the West and that a reformation of said religion should be encouraged. Also, banning Wahhabism and expelling any Wahhabist preachers, putting pressure on Saudi Arabia.

In the meantime immigration from Islamic countries should be limited so that only people in smaller numbers who can integrate in modern society should be allowed to come in, rather than vast numbers of uneducated and unwilling to change their ways Islamists.

You may think I'm harsh but there is no other way. There is no magical and "nice" way to fix this. It won't go away unless the necessary steps are taken.
 
the poster earlier was being a dick obviously

But it's understandable that people are getting a bit hysterical. That is now 3 attacks in England in 3 months. All for the same cause

I don't go with the mentally ill excuse, And I also don't see the point in pointing at incidents from other groups years ago as a way to show what we are seeing now Isn't a huge problem.
 
noodlehair said:
It is the government's fault though...although it's not limited to the Tories. It was Blair who decided to follow America into starting this mess despite clearly being aware of the potential consequences as it turns out he admmitted in his own memos.

It was our MPs who voted to bomb Syria. It was our own PM in Cameron at the time who literally said "anyone who doesn't vote to bomb Syria is a terrorist"...these inciidents aren't just happening for no reason. They're a reaction to the UK government and it's halfwit politicians fecking around with things that cost lives as if it is some kind of game.
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Can't it ever be the fault of the people that perpetrate these attrocities?

I'm not saying that they weren't radicalised in part by our actions, but it's almost like the actual terrorists get forgotten by some people.
 
Utdstar01 said:
Why is there such hate and evil in this world? :( Our country feels so vulnerable right now.
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Because Europe has been where refugees went to since the Middle East countries didn't take refugees. Lots of extremists entered Europle along with the refugees. That is the reason why terrorist incidents in Europe have increased since the refugee crisis started.

European countries need to cancel the passports and citizenship of those people who travel to Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Libya etc for training and fighting. They should not be allowed back in.
 
Silva said:
We don't get to remove someones religion, ideology, fashion sense, favourite TV show, etc. when they do something terrible.
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They hide behind 'Islam' but you actually credit them to be followers of Islam? They are a disgrace to Islam and to humanity.
 
Rado_N said:
It's a good job you're an anonymous internet poster otherwise you'd be on the front page of tomorrow's Mail being called a terrorist sympathiser.
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that would be very wroung though. He has simply provided context and rationale.
 
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