They'll all be dead or on the Costa del Sol by then.
General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time
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Looking back, i got my 2015s confused with my 2010s.
...but we took us out of Europe, the Tories campaigned to stay in. Also, for about the last 40 years, the 'left' have been saying that young socialists are the future and that the old right-wing will eventually die out.
I'm not trying to defend the Conservatives here (this will be the first time I've not voted for them in four elections) - but I think after Corbyn is gone, large parts of the young and hip generation that got behind him will be pretty disenfranchised with politics. The world is lurching ever to the right these days, not the left. I still believe the answer lies somewhere in the center, but that doesn't seem to be an option amongst our parties right now.
If it's a Labour majority, I will reluctantly take my life-sized cardboard cutout of Peter Mandelson to the tip.
Even then it's a fair point - Osborne really, really felt like a number two to Cameron, almost as important in his role as the PM was in his own. Hammond doesn't feel any bigger than Boris or Rudd, and if anything has actually been less prevalent than those two.
Will the gold statue of Blair be going on eBay?
That wouldn't be a problem at all, as i'd fully expect a Labour-led government to fudge up Brexit.
That stays unless it's a majority of 180.
Prediction: Corbyn gets in, gives Scotland a referendum, Scotland votes Yes, and Corbyn declares Brexit null and void because it was United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland that voted to leave, and that nation no longer exists in the same form because it doesn't contain the whole of Great Britain.
John McTernan has first dibs.
He'll probably find a way to lose it.
And isolating yourself by bitching and moaning about the very people you are going to be negotiating with and siding with a man who couldn't be any more antagonistic isn't fudging up negotiations before you even start?
They absolutely hate May and her cronies already and are going to be heading in with every intention to make it as painful as possible.
At least Corbyn will stand strong against Trump and build better relations with Merkel, Macron and Co which should lead to a smoother process.
So my view on the current polling.
I like this.
Couple of interesting things from Jim Waterson (tweet it's linking in second one is the first one if that makes sense):
This is part of the Tory problem right now, most people don't know who the feck Hammond is. Not only do they not have any heavy-hitters or characters on their front benches, but I just don't have a fecking clue who the generic cabinet are trying to represent.
For years, I, as a working man who voted blue, fought to dispell the myth that they were the party of big corporations with no scruples for workers, human rights or the environment. Cameron was probably the most centrist they've had in generations, they were the golden days for Tory social liberals- especially in coalition with the Lib Dems, he might not have been the peoples' working class champion but he was at least moderate by recent Conservative standards. May is generic, she is...magnolia, there's nothing about her but soundbites, no substance, no direction. The only times she's even got me got me remotely engaged in this election has been when she's talked about fox hunting, and that's only because the idea of a repeal absolutely infuriates me.
I'm off on a big tangent here
all because you harked back to the days of Osborne and a Tory leadership that didn't seem to be made of wet tracing paper.I can't vote Labour tomorrow, but the fact I'll be turning out and turning yellow, in my mind, means that this Conservative election campaign has been an utter disaster.
This is part of the Tory problem right now, most people don't know who the feck Hammond is. Not only do they not have any heavy-hitters or characters on their front benches, but I just don't have a fecking clue who the generic cabinet are trying to represent.
For years, I, as a working man who voted blue, fought to dispell the myth that they were the party of big corporations with no scruples for workers, human rights or the environment. Cameron was probably the most centrist they've had in generations, they were the golden days for Tory social liberals- especially in coalition with the Lib Dems, he might not have been the peoples' working class champion but he was at least moderate by recent Conservative standards. May is generic, she is...magnolia, there's nothing about her but soundbites, no substance, no direction. The only times she's even got me got me remotely engaged in this election has been when she's talked about fox hunting, and that's only because the idea of a repeal absolutely infuriates me.
I'm off on a big tangent here
I can't vote Labour tomorrow, but the fact I'll be turning out and turning yellow, in my mind, means that this Conservative election campaign has been an utter disaster.
To be fair, while he's a disaster Boris is a big name, and Rudd is basically an improved version of what May wants to be, even if she's not all that great herself. But aye, they don't have too many big names aside from the obvious joke figures like IDS, Gove etc.
Interesting comment. Wondering if Survation have realised their final poll is way off the mark compared to the rest and want to limit the damage if it turns out to be horribly wrong.
"Err...lads, we're thinking this 40% figure for the Greens might be a bit high? Thoughts?"
Does that weird period where the TV and radio has to pretend they don't know there's an election on apply from midnight on election day or just when the polls are open?
Starts in 45 minutes (half twelve).
Not sure it would save them to be honest, as it would still get about 10,000 retweets and be an easily checkable part of their record. But they should also remember after 2015 that an outlier final poll that contracts what everyone else is saying isn't necessarily wrong.
Thought he was onto something there, but the restrictions happen at 12.30.
Survation's poll should be out in next 10 mins.
Meh.
Holy hell!!!
Interesting
Not enough decimal places.
They got it right but didn't publish last time out. We'll see how good they are this time.
If they're right that's a rather tasty poll, but seems fairly meh in the context of a possible Corbyn lead.
Depends on margin of error, but that's very close.
Basically your friends, family and workmates are the good guys, everyone else who votes Tory are the bad guys, that's how it works. So on the plus side your part of the righteous rebel alliance, on the down side you're going to lose. And that's how it (Britain) works.
This is the first time I don't want to vote Tory, but there is a Labour party I want to vote against, politics eh...
My suspicion is those thinking they're avoiding publicity are probably right and they were waiting until Newsnight was over.
So that is a 0.2% drop for the Tories in comparison to their last one and no change for Labour, if I'm remembering right.
And given the pretty contrasting economic visions on offer, we as the voters deserved to see both Hammond and McDonnell interrogated more.
The Tories...don't really have much new to sell, whereas Labour were probably concerned about the personal baggage.
I should have been clearer, although your interpretation could also be applied from y perspective. My earlier meaning, was that they would 'fudge' the act Brexit itself, by enact so weak a Brexit as to amount to little genuine change. This isn't really the thread, but what you seem to be forgetting is that we've not been treated rather shabbily ourselves. We're in a stupid game of brinkmanship, one which we can hopefully move on from soon.