Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

11101 said:
Glastonbury is pretty much the closest thing you can get to a Labour Party Conference.

It's great for his supporters but isn't going to make a jot of difference to an election.
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Ah come on now you're slacking and doing it wrong, you're supposed to moan about the echo chamber.

Of course momentum and support at mainstream big events is a positive, we've gone from the media taking swipes at his character to this. Its not coincidental his popularity has risen the more visible he is.
 
Why are co-op advertising in the Express?
 
NinjaFletch said:
Caus they're unts.

I try and avoid them whenever I can after their response to Stop Funding Hate.
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I see. This is a campaign to stop such grotesque behaviour and rather than telling us they are very sorry and won't do it again they are actually trying to fight it off.

Wonderful.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I see. This is a campaign to stop such grotesque behaviour and rather than telling us they are very sorry and won't do it again they are actually trying to fight it off.

Wonderful.
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I don't mind so much if they're honest about it, but there was something about the coops response that really irked me.

Like, ok, advertise in the Daily Mail if you want, but don't preach about your values and try and portray yourself as an ethical retailer whilst you're doing it.
 
NinjaFletch said:
I don't mind so much if they're honest about it, but there was something about the coops response that really irked me.

Like, ok, advertise in the Daily Mail if you want, but don't preach about your values and try and portray yourself as an ethical retailer whilst you're doing it.
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Well, quite. A significant reason a lot of us accept overpaying for stuff at co-op food is that they have an ethical image.

I don't know what they're playing at.
 
If the Co-op people read the Express, they probably believe that a giant ice shelf is going to destroy the world anytime now, so the advertising controversy means nothing to them.
 
SteveJ said:
If the Co-op people read the Express, they probably believe that a giant ice shelf is going to destroy the world anytime now, so the advertising controversy means nothing to them.
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It's called global warming, chief. It exists and I can't believe you would say otherwise :rolleyes: yup
 
Mr Pigeon said:
It's called global warming, chief. It exists and I can't believe you would say otherwise :rolleyes: yup
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That ice won't slide across a flat earth, mate, so no panic.
 
SteveJ said:
That ice won't slide across a flat earth, mate, so no panic.
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If the earth isn't flat then explain why the earth doesn't roll in a black hole like what snooker balls do.
 
Sheesh, it's not pocket science.
 
MannyB said:
Front page headline of today's Express made me laugh

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Ah so that is what this was about:



Very generous of him to send an invite the day before to the HoC when nobody would be there at the weekend. Wasn't like it was known over a week ago that Corbyn would be at Glastonbury.
 
How would visiting an armed forces parade, or indeed openly publishing a letter suggesting Corbyn chose not to attend a parade because he doesn't respect the army, be any less accurately described as a political opportunity than attending Glastonbury?
 
Smores said:
Ah come on now you're slacking and doing it wrong, you're supposed to moan about the echo chamber.

Of course momentum and support at mainstream big events is a positive, we've gone from the media taking swipes at his character to this. Its not coincidental his popularity has risen the more visible he is.
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Undoubtedly he's riding a wave of support, he's found a niche of the public that he can promise anything to and they won't ask him how he will deliver. Still, it's not students at Glastonbury he needs to win over, and by the nature of them his popularity surge will be short term. He needs another election soon before the next big thing arrives.
 
11101 said:
Undoubtedly he's riding a wave of support, he's found a niche of the public that he can promise anything to and they won't ask him how he will deliver. Still, it's not students at Glastonbury he needs to win over, and by the nature of them his popularity surge will be short term. He needs another election soon before the next big thing arrives.
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Who exactly was the last 'big thing'? Nobody in my living memory has evoked a reaction like this in the UK.
 
If Corbyn was to get advice on public appearances from anyone it would definitely be from Mr Heappey. A man who told a schoolgirl to "feck off back to Scotland" when she said she'd vote for independence.

Can guarantee he asked Tory HQ if he could be allowed a 'Free Marine A' avatar on Twitter.
 
RedSky said:
I was too young to notice or give a shit about politics / Blair. Did he attract the same crowd levels / people chanting his name etc?
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I share your lack of really being there at the time but although you can't directly compare these things he was pretty much treated as the second coming from what people have described (with the obvious exception of dyed in the wool socialists).
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I share your lack of really being there at the time but although you can't directly compare these things he was pretty much treated as the second coming from what people have described (with the obvious exception of dyed in the wool socialists).
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I remember a girl in my history lesson confessed that she fancied Tony Blair. She was proper weird that one.
 
RedSky said:
Who exactly was the last 'big thing'? Nobody in my living memory has evoked a reaction like this in the UK.
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I'm not talking about politicians specifically. Corbyn is the fad of summer 2017. The nature of the demographic supporting him is that they will not continue this level of interest for long.

RedSky said:
I was too young to notice or give a shit about politics / Blair. Did he attract the same crowd levels / people chanting his name etc?
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Yes. He was far more popular than Corbyn at this stage. People believed he was going to change things and his policies were real.
 
RedSky said:
I remember a girl in my history lesson confessed that she fancied Tony Blair. She was proper weird that one.
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Not in a position to judge. I have a slight desire for Amber Rudd to lower those glasses and tell me I've been a very naughty boy.
 
RedSky said:
:lol:
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Its not much different to the Occupy protests. They lasted a year, give or take, before people lost interest and moved on to other things. Winter has a habit of breaking protest movements throughout history. The middle class youth at the heart of Corbyn's popularity have no real hardship driving them to a particular goal either, they just want a cause to attach themselves to. Give it a year or two and the cause will be something else.
 
Whilst his character remains a fertile source of debate in my view, Corbyn's opponents should always begin by targeting his dubious policies (provided that you've got some positivity of your own of course). A more assertive leader than May would have done so with some success.

Glastonbury was one giant comfort blanket for Corbyn, and a bit of an embarrassment for McDonnell. All those darlings chanting his name, who he would have cynically bought off on the backs of the vulnerable with his free uni tuition. A brave, buoyant leader (is Corbo not such), should be calling for unity in places where his popularity is an uncertain quantity.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Whilst his character remains a fertile source of debate in my view, Corbyn's opponents should always begin by targeting his dubious policies (provided that you've got some positivity of your own of course). A more assertive leader than May would have done so with some success.

Glastonbury was one giant comfort blanket for Corbyn, and a bit of an embarrassment for McDonnell. All those darlings chanting his name, who he would have cynically bought off on the backs of the vulnerable with his free uni tuition. A brave, buoyant leader (is Corbo not such), should be calling for unity in places where his popularity is an uncertain quantity.
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No different to the Tories buying over the old as they'd tended to do tbf.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Whilst his character remains a fertile source of debate in my view, Corbyn's opponents should always begin by targeting his dubious policies (provided that you've got some positivity of your own of course). A more assertive leader than May would have done so with some success.

Glastonbury was one giant comfort blanket for Corbyn, and a bit of an embarrassment for McDonnell. All those darlings chanting his name, who he would have cynically bought off on the backs of the vulnerable with his free uni tuition. A brave, buoyant leader (is Corbo not such), should be calling for unity in places where his popularity is an uncertain quantity.
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Aw, diddums, he's bribing the general public by promising to fund services, what an evil man.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Whilst his character remains a fertile source of debate in my view, Corbyn's opponents should always begin by targeting his dubious policies (provided that you've got some positivity of your own of course). A more assertive leader than May would have done so with some success.

Glastonbury was one giant comfort blanket for Corbyn, and a bit of an embarrassment for McDonnell. All those darlings chanting his name, who he would have cynically bought off on the backs of the vulnerable with his free uni tuition. A brave, buoyant leader (is Corbo not such), should be calling for unity in places where his popularity is an uncertain quantity.
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Do you care to provide an example in modern politics of what you're suggesting ever happening? I can't think of one decent example.

You lot always provide new angles to moan about Corbyn but by attending Glastonbury he's doing what all good campaigns do and managing the message. Something which he failed to do at the start and rightly got stick for!!
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
They're not half so conceited though, nor puffed up with false moral superiority. Many of them are self-oriented too, it simply manifests differently.
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You mean the party who have spent the past few months claiming to be strong and stable despite going into coalition, beaming themselves up as a party of economic competence despite all evidence pointing to the contrary, and that argue their central opponent is dangerous when they're now actively working alongside homophobic climate-change deniers haven't tried to claim the moral high-ground on just about every single occasion they've had the opportunity to do so? Come on...
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
They're not half so conceited though, nor puffed up with false moral superiority.
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Sure, the party that likes to own nationalism and constantly mentions May's vicar father isn't puffed up with false moral superiority. They'd never do anything like that, or claim to love Britain more than anyone else. Apart from the Sots, of course, they might let a communist become PM and destroy the country. Strong and stable! What a load of bollocks.
 
The Tories are a political machine seeking to maintain their position in office. It will serve Brexit for as long as possible, and then we'll back to the polls again.

But the Labour leadership is this group of nice, honest, cuddly politicians...:smirk: What's more, all of its Glastonbury attending voters care like no other.
 
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