Me dad's been contemplating that particular revolution for a while.
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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In the wider context, this is such a small matter - except to those people who often feel excluded - so why is this move being argued against? Is it really any hardship to consider the feelings of those who, for centuries, have suffered ridicule and much worse? Jesus...
I should whisper it, but because the moment the Mayor of fecking London is celebrating trans rights is a really significant thing for us.
It will invigorate people to go on to other things. Probably not banning parents from putting their offspring in blue or pink, mind.
This thread is merely an excuse for some to moan, like a bunch of RAWKites on seeing a selfie stick.
"Genderfluids" and "non-binaries" have a rather easy time of it compared to mtf or ftm transsexuals, who have to live with their unreachable gender aspirations.
Aside from being "misgendered" what other hardships have they got to face on a daily basis?
Aside from being "misgendered" what other hardships have they got to face on a daily basis?
You said that people see trans people as Disgusting or ridiculous.
I do not believe that to be true. It could be described as accurate if the threshold for those terms is that we also describe Essex girls and Chavs using them. Which we do. They are.
But never in a truly aggressively derogatory manner.
If that slipped past you, ignore the whole lot. Skip to my comparison of moving away from a loud Chav on a train. That will happen routinely with the person walking away thinking 'fcuking chavs'. If a guy sits down in a dress, far fewer people move. Any that do would be closer to thinking 'that made me uncomfortable' rather than 'that's wrong/disgusting/whatever'.
My point has always been centered around the subject matter. The Tube announcements. In London, offensive is offensive. Different is not. We went off on a tangent but I truly believe that being trans in London is nothing like the social stigma that some pretend it is.
I spend a moderate amount of time in London. I spend most in Brighton. I feel though I can safely say Brighton is the more trans friendly and having gone out wearing a dress in Brighton, on many occasions, I find it extremely unlikely that the moments people thought I couldn't hear what they were saying compare at all to those experienced by walking around with a 'chavvy' appearance.
This was because many of those paragraphs were you wanking to how nice a guy you are.
"That blue cheese is fecking disgusting" "This terror attack is disgusting" "Picking your nose is disgusting". Does disgusting mean the same thing in all of these sentences?
You could try asking one, you don't even have to do it in person there are plenty of interviews online of people talking about it.
Not sure if serious, mate.
The old "it doesn't bother me, but I'm going to write six paragraphs about it anyway" is always a classic win. Slam dunk mate.
As seen in any thread about women's football.
I think you must live under a rock to think this?
It is such a self centered attitude. Not to mention arrogant. Presuming to know how language use affects people in different circumstances to yourself.
I've been racially (well presumed nationality) abused and told to feck off back where I came from. It was a bit upsetting/disconcerting but only in the sense that any mindless abuse and conflict would have been because I was an employed, middle class white bloke. I wasn't dis-empowered or reminded of persistent bias and discrimination so it wasn't the same thing as it would have been if I was part of a discriminated against minority. Obviously.
In the end it costs me nothing to try to be careful with language when someone tells me it hurts them not to do so.
Not at all. I don't believe it to be true as a blanket statement. Some demographics may believe it, obviously. But I truly don't think it's the case across the board.
Also note that my point was confined to London.
As an example, I'd say that disabled people in a wheelchair would have a harder time getting employed vs a trans person if all other factors were equal. (Again, there will be levels to that statement and it being true doesn't help either minority).
The problem with this argument is that disabled people are also having a hard time being accepted and getting integrated into society. They are also facing a lot of hurdles and various degrees of aggression. So even if that statement was true (could be, who knows), it wouldn't prove much about how accepting society is towards trans people.
In the end, it boils down to a version of 'you can't be poor, because others are poorer than you'.
For all the shit you're getting I do agree with some of this. No one is inherently right or wrong just because they belong to a group, not that anyone has said that, mind. However there does seem to be a simplified us vs them thing going on when in reality people are more complex.
Where does it end?You can't be serious. How on earth is your tiny social group a good barometer of anything like this? It's been proven over and over and over again that this is a divisive topic. If it's not that divisive among your friend group then that should be a pretty good indicator that they aren't a particularly representative sample of one of the most diverse cities in the world.
Your opinion is just your opinion, trying to suggest it's reflective of the city as a whole is ludicrous. I have just as much of a right to make a claim on the subject and I can say with some confidence that it's utter bollocks. If you think that you can put trans folk in the same bucket as Essex girls then you're simply ignorant. Feel free to embrace it but please don't apply that to Londoners on the whole.
That's a loaded phrase. "Being driven to". Implies the primary reason for taking their own lives is relentless persecution. The suicide stats are very sad but it's a lot more complex than people being hounded to death. Gender dysphoria can be a symptom of an underlying mental illness, which would predispose people to suicide anyway. I don't doubt that there are is a much higher proportion of unhappy people among the trans population but the reasons for this are many and varied.
Homo Offendus
I've always hated 'Ladies and Gentlemen' anyway. Sounds almost patronising in some weird way, plus the fact that a hell of a lot of one half of the phrase certainly aren't 'Gentlemen' these days!
"People from across the gender spectrum, please raise your glasses...."
That's how I'm going to handle it.
That's how I'm going to handle it.
The 'mens' part of the word refers to 'mensis', the Latin for 'month'. It simply means it's a monthly thing. If you want to be outraged, you need to know your classics first.
Etymology isn't as fun as inventing words to annoy those who care how the odd person refers to their period, though.The 'mens' part of the word refers to 'mensis', the Latin for 'month'. It simply means it's a monthly thing. If you want to be outraged, you need to know your classics first.
The 'mens' part of the word refers to 'mensis', the Latin for 'month'. It simply means it's a monthly thing. If you want to be outraged, you need to know your classics first.
I thought a mensis was a table. But my latin was a long time ago, and I was pretty crap at it tbh.
The plural dative and ablative form of mensa - table - is indeed mensis.
Well there you go. Women on the blob in ancient Rome probably had special tables to sit on while they sorted themselves out. It all makes sense.
I don't think the source I heard that from was meant to be taken seriously anyways.
I love the caf, come for the political arguments, stay for the Latin lesson.
I feel like we've gotten to the point where complaining about political correctness has gone way further than political correctness itself. Seems some people will moan at even the slightest hint of acceptance or inclusiveness.
In those societies, gender wasn't defined by what you had between your legs, gender defined what you were allowed to do. Being a woman meant giving birth to kids, raising them and cooking and whatever else, while being a man meant drinking and smoking tobacco, apparently.
Historically, there have been many societies in which women could become men, or vice versa. In the Balkans, you had sworn virgins. They'd be women who took an irrevocable oath to live in celibacy, and would after that be allowed to live as a man and do manstuff, like smoking pipes, getting sloshed, talking to other men, owning a gun or being the head of a household.
In those societies, gender wasn't defined by what you had between your legs, gender defined what you were allowed to do. Being a woman meant giving birth to kids, raising them and cooking and whatever else, while being a man meant drinking and smoking tobacco, apparently.
I was recently told that all movies with male lead actors should be remade with the women in those roles, and only then can we truly say women are equal. I'm not good at holding my tongue, nor did I particularly want to, and said how stupid it was.
Brokeback Mountain should be first.
JUST KIDDING
I am assuming the person who said this also wanted to see the female actors in all those original movies replaced by male actors. Otherwise what you are talking about is a bunch of movies that are just all female casts which would be a bit odd in many cases.
It would be weird for any film based on a real historical figure. I mean Abe Lincoln was a male so not sure what would be the point of having it be Abby Lincoln instead.
Brokeback Mountain should be first.
JUST KIDDING
I am assuming the person who said this also wanted to see the female actors in all those original movies replaced by male actors. Otherwise what you are talking about is a bunch of movies that are just all female casts which would be a bit odd in many cases.
It would be weird for any film based on a real historical figure. I mean Abe Lincoln was a male so not sure what would be the point of having it be Abby Lincoln instead.
You're being logical, so that'd be wrong. The internet is coming to life, and I've met more self-described feminists this year than ever before. It wouldn't bother me much if the opinions weren't so consistently stupid.
Feminists, United fans... with most groups of people the loudest opinions are consistently stupid.
Yeah, Rambo III with a female lead should be a huge step towards emancipation.
Why stop at acting? If we'd left all the inventing and science to women we'd have colonised Proxima b by now and have average life spans of 500 years.
So basically they want every movie that had a sex scene in it to become a movie with a lesbian sex scene in it. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Some of the sport movies could be fun. North Dallas Forty, Any Given Sunday for example, entire NFL teams of women players. Nothing wrong with that either.