Cop in America doing a bad job, again

VorZakone said:
So eh...not much changed since The Wire huh?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/baltimore-cop-planting-drugs-video_us_596fcd45e4b0110cb3cb7651
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Only suspended? Quelle surprised. He'll return when the media attention dies down.
Personally any drug cases he's been worked on should be thrown out, and he should've been arrested for possession of drugs.

I was watching a video of a cop rummaging through this guy's car while he was sat across the street at a restaurant.
The cop was claiming that there was a complaint of guns, so he decided to open this guys trunk and look through it.
The cynic in me sees an opportunity for him to plant drugs and then later, as part of a traffic stop find drugs in his possession and have him arrested.

I'm sure these type of things never happen though. ;)

Found the video:

 
In how many other professions are you placed in a situation where you are expected to be shot at by a bad guy, defend yourself and then immediately save the same guy's life while he begs you for help?

WARNING: graphic.

 
Skizzo said:
In how many other professions are you placed in a situation where you are expected to be shot at by a bad guy, defend yourself and then immediately save the same guy's life while he begs you for help?

WARNING: graphic.

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Officers went above and beyond their duty...a man tried to take their life then begs then to save his. Crazy shit.
 
afrocentricity said:


I'm sure it's not an US policing problem tho.... A few bad apples right? Care to comment? @Skizzo / @choiboyx012
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First off, its Trump making a joke. A bad joke, and poorly timed in the grand scheme of things, but a joke nonetheless. He's not known for his tact.

The response for the people there? You'd have to ask them. The guy commentating was playing everything up way beyond what was actually happening. "Whooping and hollering. Yeahhh!" I heard clapping. His commentary on the matter is just as inflammatory as Trump making stupid comments (which I agree, was stupid).

Lastly, surely the fact that different departments and officials have come out and denounced his comments and said they don't agree with them, should count for something?

According to the guy commentating, I'm a police thug and don't care about the public? He says the fact that departments came out and disagreed with Trumps comments shows that we're all backtracking and trying to somehow defend him?

Seems clear that nothing would change that guys mind, and based on all his comments and hyperbole, he's not a fan of any cops since he's decided all of us are the same, regardless of the ones who's already come out and spoke against Trumps comments.

Those are my thoughts at least. Did that answer your question? :)
 
Skizzo said:
Did that answer your question?
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Would you have laughed? Would you have looked visibly uncomfortable? Do you think individuals coming out after the fact to condemn it excuses the 'joke' (many a true feeling expressed in jest) and the reaction?

It's something, but I find the preceding events to be more telling. It is what it is, not scripted, not curated...

I expected you to give the answer that you gave (call it a joke, point to the condemnation after the fact, not comment on the crowd reaction, blame the host) as it's the same answer that every other PO or somewhat connected talking head has given. I'd have been pleasantly surprised if you deviated...

So yes, I guess you have answered my question.

Edit: This bit is moreso for the Trump thread but you guys (Americans) carry on excusing the behaviour of your president. 'Trump behind Trump' etc... let's see where that takes ya...
 
afrocentricity said:
No idea why some text is big :confused:
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:lol: I just took it as you yelling at me.

As for the "you guys" excusing Trump..well, I'm not American, nor do I like Trump.

what would you have liked me to deviate to? I gave you an honest answer that Trump made a stupid comment, people reacted, other people condemned it, that I didn't agree with his comments, and that the host egged things on.

If you want me to just say all cops are evil and Boo America, then just say so.
 
afrocentricity said:


I'm sure it's not an US policing problem tho.... A few bad apples right? Care to comment? @Skizzo / @choiboyx012
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To be fair...

1. I've laughed at jokes containing material and topics I strongly disagree with. I've heard Seinfeld joke about police roughing up suspects during apprehension, then gently reminding the suspect to bend the head to avoid hitting it on the frame. Given the times we're in, it is bad optics, but I probably wouldn't look too far into it.

2. Many police departments at the local, state and federal level have released statements condemning the essence behind Trump's comments, recognizing that suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, and should be treated with the utmost professionalism.
 
adexkola said:
To be fair...

1. I've laughed at jokes containing material and topics I strongly disagree with. I've heard Seinfeld joke about police roughing up suspects during apprehension, then gently reminding the suspect to bend the head to avoid hitting it on the frame. Given the times we're in, it is bad optics, but I probably wouldn't look too far into it.

2. Many police departments at the local, state and federal level have released statements condemning the essence behind Trump's comments, recognizing that suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, and should be treated with the utmost professionalism.
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Yea you just literally reiterated the same thing. I don't know, for me, I wouldn't be cheering or clapping, I'd be looking dead into the faces of the people around me, but that's how I am and probably why I have a hard time relating.

Your point 2 is obviously a good thing but it doesn't negate what actually happened at the event. FWIW I'm fully consistent, I'm that guy that doesn't laugh at those 'jokes' and makes it clear, no matter how uncomfortable that makes people around me.
Skizzo said:
If you want me to just say all cops are evil and Boo America, then just say so.
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No. I'd rather you didn't pretend that you don't have problems in the police force and in the country as a whole... I know you think I'm hard on you but someone has to be. Normalisation is setting in and you don't seem to think there are any issues, everything is as it should be?

I mean feck me, the president of the US making jokes about police brutality and a bunch of high ranking people laughing heartily at it.... Jesus.
 
afrocentricity said:
Yea you just literally reiterated the same thing. I don't know, for me, I wouldn't be cheering or clapping, I'd be looking dead into the faces of the people around me, but that's how I am and probably why I have a hard time relating.

Your point 2 is obviously a good thing but it doesn't negate what actually happened at the event. FWIW I'm fully consistent, I'm that guy that doesn't laugh at those 'jokes' and makes it clear, no matter how uncomfortable that makes people around me.

No. I'd rather you didn't pretend that you don't have problems in the police force and in the country as a whole... I know you think I'm hard on you but someone has to be. Normalisation is setting in and you don't seem to think there are any issues, everything is as it should be?

I mean feck me, the president of the US making jokes about police brutality and a bunch of high ranking people laughing heartily at it.... Jesus.
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I'm not denying that it's bad optics, and that there is a possibility that internally, some people there agreed with Trump's comments (which were extremely irresponsible).

Frankly, I'm less concerned about this, and more concerned about the "tough on crime" stance the current administration is taking, a roll back from Obama's tenure when there was more of an emphasis on fixing police-public relations and introducing criminal justice reform policies. The Sessions-Trump combo would not look out of place in the 70s, a sad indictment.
 
afrocentricity said:
Yea you just literally reiterated the same thing. I don't know, for me, I wouldn't be cheering or clapping, I'd be looking dead into the faces of the people around me, but that's how I am and probably why I have a hard time relating.

Your point 2 is obviously a good thing but it doesn't negate what actually happened at the event. FWIW I'm fully consistent, I'm that guy that doesn't laugh at those 'jokes' and makes it clear, no matter how uncomfortable that makes people around me.

No. I'd rather you didn't pretend that you don't have problems in the police force and in the country as a whole... I know you think I'm hard on you but someone has to be.
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I guess it's really true that not all heroes wear capes.
 
adexkola said:
Frankly, I'm less concerned about this, and more concerned about the "tough on crime" stance the current administration is taking, a roll back from Obama's tenure when there was more of an emphasis on fixing police-public relations and introducing criminal justice reform policies. The Sessions-Trump combo would not look out of place in the 70s, a sad indictment.
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Oh yes, agree with you 100%

This latest shambles just gave me a bigger picture...
 
afrocentricity said:
Yea you just literally reiterated the same thing. I don't know, for me, I wouldn't be cheering or clapping, I'd be looking dead into the faces of the people around me, but that's how I am and probably why I have a hard time relating.

Your point 2 is obviously a good thing but it doesn't negate what actually happened at the event. FWIW I'm fully consistent, I'm that guy that doesn't laugh at those 'jokes' and makes it clear, no matter how uncomfortable that makes people around me.

No. I'd rather you didn't pretend that you don't have problems in the police force and in the country as a whole... I know you think I'm hard on you but someone has to be. Normalisation is setting in and you don't seem to think there are any issues, everything is as it should be?

I mean feck me, the president of the US making jokes about police brutality and a bunch of high ranking people laughing heartily at it.... Jesus.
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Where did I pretend there's no issues in the police force or the country? You asked my opinion on this specific incident, and I told you. I've criticized other instances they have been discussed on here, and said there's plenty of work to be done to get things to where they should be. Both in terms of policies and general public relations.

Duafc said:
I guess it's really true that not all heroes wear capes.
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It's true. Some wear a badge ;)
 
Skizzo said:
Where did I pretend there's no issues in the police force or the country? You asked my opinion on this specific incident, and I told you. I've criticized other instances they have been discussed on here, and said there's plenty of work to be done to get things to where they should be. Both in terms of policies and general public relations.



It's true. Some wear a badge ;)
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I'm just glad Afro is around to give you such a hard time, there just aren't enough people willing to put in the hard graft of absolutely slating American officers, with absolutely generic and unequivocal condemnation, these days.

Lord knows what you'd be up to otherwise, you over empowered, heartless, lawbreaking thug.
 
Skizzo said:
Where did I pretend there's no issues in the police force or the country? You asked my opinion on this specific incident, and I told you. I've criticized other instances they have been discussed on here, and said there's plenty of work to be done to get things to where they should be. Both in terms of policies and general public relations.
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I'm just going by the posts I've seen not the ones I haven't. So I accept I may be wrong...

Like I said tho, you went straight to police defence force mode. You tend to whenever I see your posts.
 
Duafc said:
I'm just glad Afro is around to give you such a hard time, there just aren't enough people willing to put in the hard graft of absolutely slating American officers, with absolutely generic and unequivocal condemnation, these days.

Lord knows what you'd be up to otherwise, you over empowered, heartless, lawbreaking thug.
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Jokes aside, what's your point? I should lay off him? Or police in general? If it's the former then fair enough, the latter? Fcuk off...
 
afrocentricity said:
Jokes aside, what's your point? I should lay off him? Or police in general? If it's the former then fair enough, the latter? Fcuk off...
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My opinion on the story is there's much worse going on and worth talking about. I don't think it's fair to categorically say that it's indicative of anything more than a bunch of officers laughing and clapping at a shit joke made by their president, I think it reflects more on Trump than anyone lined up behind him, I've long given up hope for any remote kind of accountability for anything he says though.

I think the presenter is extremely poor. It's inflammatory, narrow minded and prejudiced in itself to broad brush the way he does. In many ways it's like a mirror image of idiocy. Trumps a moron for saying it, you would hope officers would react with more sense and the presenter shouldn't make ridiculously unfair extrapolations about literally all police in America.

It's a fool's debate.

I think it's a pointless thread at this stage. You provocatively call into the thread two American police officers then immediately dismiss their contribution. Did you ever want their opinion because you show no respect for it? You immediately patronise and point score 'I knew you'd say that' whilst telling us how you see yourself as the arbiter of justice in calling out comments and not following the herd. Give me a break.

There's no win. It's been done to death, people think there's plenty of officers doing a good job, people condemn illegal or immoral acts by police, people try to talk about gun culture and America's unique issues but it always comes back to the same conversation over and over and no-one learns, moves on or changes.

I appreciate these 2 guys doing their best to explain what they think though, less so your contributions.


- classic police defending just what I expected, I'm so clever, go feck yoursef and your choice of career - there I saved you the bother!
 
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Duafc said:
I'm just glad Afro is around to give you such a hard time, there just aren't enough people willing to put in the hard graft of absolutely slating American officers, with absolutely generic and unequivocal condemnation, these days.

Lord knows what you'd be up to otherwise, you over empowered, heartless, lawbreaking thug.
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I took a break from shaving kittens to check this notification.
 
afrocentricity said:
Would you have laughed? Would you have looked visibly uncomfortable? Do you think individuals coming out after the fact to condemn it excuses the 'joke' (many a true feeling expressed in jest) and the reaction?

It's something, but I find the preceding events to be more telling. It is what it is, not scripted, not curated...

I expected you to give the answer that you gave (call it a joke, point to the condemnation after the fact, not comment on the crowd reaction, blame the host) as it's the same answer that every other PO or somewhat connected talking head has given. I'd have been pleasantly surprised if you deviated...

So yes, I guess you have answered my question.

Edit: This bit is moreso for the Trump thread but you guys (Americans) carry on excusing the behaviour of your president. 'Trump behind Trump' etc... let's see where that takes ya...
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This is more of an indictment of your own stubborn views and prejudices than anything else to be honest. @Skizzo gives an honest account of how he saw things and you call him a 'talking head'. It's alarming you don't see your own hypocrisy in all this.
 
ivaldo said:
This is more of an indictment of your own stubborn views and prejudices than anything else to be honest. @Skizzo gives an honest account of how he saw things and you call him a 'talking head'. It's alarming you don't see your own hypocrisy in all this.
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I said he had the same response as the talking head. Seriously, typical redcafe. Make it about the poster not the subject....

Duafc said:
My opinion on the story is there's much worse going on and worth talking about. I don't think it's fair to categorically say that it's indicative of anything more than a bunch of officers laughing and clapping at a shit joke made by their president, I think it reflects more on Trump than anyone lined up behind him, I've long given up hope for any remote kind of accountability for anything he says though.
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I can't relate, you can. It is what it is.
I think the presenter is extremely poor. It's inflammatory, narrow minded and prejudiced in itself to broad brush the way he does. In many ways it's like a mirror image of idiocy. Trumps a moron for saying it, you would hope officers would react with more sense and the presenter shouldn't make ridiculously unfair extrapolations about literally all police in America.
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you would hope officers would react with more sense.
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Why? Because it's not a good look. Why isn't it a good look?

It's a fool's debate.

I think it's a pointless thread at this stage.
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Why's that then? Because it highlights something that you don't particularly want to talk about?
You provocatively call into the thread to American police officers then immediately dismiss their contribution. Did you ever want their opinion because you show no respect for it? You immediately patronise and point score 'I knew you'd say that' whilst telling us how you see yourself as the arbiter of justice in calling out comments and not following the herd. Give me a break.
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What are you even talking about? I ask his opinion and he says what I expected him to say. I let him know that.... What's the big deal? Did you think I hurt his feelings or something? Respect? Did I disrespect him? The guys supposed to be a police officer I would have thought this discussion would wash over him like water...
you see yourself as the arbiter of justice in calling out comments and not following the herd. Give me a break
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Damn son :lol:
Exaggerate much? You guys really need to read a post and not a feeling. Anyone would think I compared myself to MLK.

There's no win. It's been done to death, people think there's plenty of officers doing a good job, people condone illegal or immoral acts by police, people try to talk about gun culture and America's unique issues but it always comes back to the same conversation over and over and no-one learns, moves on or changes.
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So exit the thread then? What are you expecting to be discussed in here? I was actually hoping for the police in here to engage in a conversation rather than just trying to explain shite away. Maybe tell us how they think things can improve, maybe discuss some of the more unexplainable fcukries posted in here. C'est la vie...
I appreciate these 2 guys doing their best to explain what they think though, less so your contributions.
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Feel free to put me on ignore....
- classic police defending just what I expected, I'm so clever, go feck yoursef and your choice of career - there I saved you the bother!
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Such a pointless comment, basically you don't like the fact that I'm criticising the police, you seem to think I'm trying to make this about me? You can't stand to read it?

Well.... Bye?
 
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ivaldo said:
This is more of an indictment of your own stubborn views and prejudices than anything else to be honest. @Skizzo gives an honest account of how he saw things and you call him a 'talking head'. It's alarming you don't see your own hypocrisy in all this.
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Aside from the fact that I didn't call him a talking head, what exactly is my prejudices, views and hypocrisies?
Duafc said:
Deary me.

Have a good evening mate.
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And you too...
 
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afrocentricity said:
Aside from the fact that I didn't call him a talking head, what exactly is my prejudices, views and hypocrisies?
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You've said he gave the same answer, you're arguing semantics now, the point is the same regardless.

You complain about cops stereotyping, and then stereotype cops, repeatedly.

See @Duafc post, it sums it up nicely.
 
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