Even if he fail in PL, he can always go to PSG. You know that is his forte basically. A football club with countless money and arguably the best squad in league. He then go and win the french league 2 times straight and he will again become the greatest manager of all time. Bald twat.
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He's more tactically ignorant. Against open opposition, his team would steamroll them. But days like today or against Brighton, it's a struggle. Yet he's adamant to not having alternative ways of scoring goals because he's above it or a purist.
What do Bayern fans think of him?
Think we should wait for a while before judging...
If we finish ahead of them at the end of the season then maybe we can talk. Right now I don't want us tempting fate...
If we finish ahead of them at the end of the season then maybe we can talk. Right now I don't want us tempting fate...
To be fair, Pep can't do a 180 degree turn and rip up his philosophy to adopt a completely new one. No manager can do that. His playing style requires technical players and pretty passes, so he's got to find a way to make it work. Think his main mistake is in the XI he selects, trying to cram too many attackers and all that. He needs to be more flexible, but need not necessarily change everything.
City hired Pep not to just win the league, but to ensure that he sets them up in a way similar to Barca, an identifiable tiki-taka-esque playing style right down to their academy, so that when he moves on, they can appoint any small time coach like Barca and still function in the same style like a well-oiled machine. So if Pep won the league by sacrificing everything he stands for, I don't think it fulfils their vision.
Of course, it could be that their vision cannot succeed in the premier league. So Pep may fail. But we have to wait and see, its' still too early to say.
This thread wouldn't have existed if Pep won the PL convincingly and did well in the CL last season, so no, it is not knee jerk to have this thread this soon in the season.
The critique he is getting is for his entire City spell so far, which for the money spent have been underwhelming.
A coach like Pep with a big rep and a horde of cult followers that all told us that it is the PL that must adapt to Pep and not the other way around will always be put under scrutiny by opposition supporters.
The critique he is getting is for his entire City spell so far, which for the money spent have been underwhelming.
A coach like Pep with a big rep and a horde of cult followers that all told us that it is the PL that must adapt to Pep and not the other way around will always be put under scrutiny by opposition supporters.
Very well put.
I don't think he'll last longer than this season. Not that he'll be sacked. He'll be the one leaving. He's struggling to handle the pressure of EPL and looks like mentally broken each match and each post match interview. He wasn't and won't be the kind of person who can handle a pressure of such a league.
A very good manager who over complicate things.
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This. If it doesn't come through at City and I for one haven't been at all convinced he'll go somewhere else where there's ton of money.
He doesn't change, he'll be stuck with his ways to no end and that's his downfall so to say.
He won titles in Spain and Germany but he's not so good as some put him. Some football genius, revolutionary and whatnot.
Maybe he'll turn it around and City will still romp the league but I don't see it myself.
One of the best managers in the world, but with flaws.
Knee jerk? He's had a full season and has done feck all except from spending a lot of money.Talk about knee jerk... What are you, Arsenal fans?
He quite clearly can't make a team into more than the sum of its parts. His spending is scattergun, spending obscene amounts and hoping he lands on another Messi or Xavi. He's quickly being exposed as pretty average in the PL.
Good manager but definitely not the automatic world beater some make him out to be. Doing great in a two horse league with the likes of peak Messi, Xavi, and Iniesta at his disposal and dominating a one horse league like Bundesliga sort of mask whether or not he's as good as his results. Its only here in the Prem where the rubber meets the road and so far he hasn't produced what his legend suggested he would.
I think he's brilliant. He has a completely unorthodox way of looking at football tactics and that in itself is entertaining to me. Him, Sampaoli and Bielsa are a different breed of coaches.
couldnt handle the pressure of the 2 horse race in La Liga, so not sure how he'll cope for many years in EPL.
He's been there for over a year, how are people failing to grasp that? I don't think you know what knee jerk means.Talk about knee jerk... What are you, Arsenal fans?
World class manager, with his flaws (like every other top manager). I find his approach to the game and the PL very refreshing.
I see little wrong with his tactics. He's adjusted to provide his defense more protection, and his side can still dominate possession at tough away grounds. The only flaw is his side's inability to put teams away early, but that's a question of form, not tactics.
Armchair psychological analyses got boring since people kept trying to decipher Mourinho's stance on the sidelines last season.
I see little wrong with his tactics. He's adjusted to provide his defense more protection, and his side can still dominate possession at tough away grounds. The only flaw is his side's inability to put teams away early, but that's a question of form, not tactics.
Armchair psychological analyses got boring since people kept trying to decipher Mourinho's stance on the sidelines last season.
The same. He is a top manager and a stupendous addition to the EPL. He will thrive this season after signings all the missing pieces to make his footballing vision work for City. His team has been playing super exicitingly in my book The season has just started and they've only dropped 2 points. I'll think of criticisms if they get to 10 games in the league and his lost and drawn more than his won.
No. Pep is trying to do what Cruyff tried to do at Barcelona and succeeded, which is take an idea about how to play, a vision, and implement it into a different football culture. Pep was hired by City to bring Barca's Juego de Posicion, inspired by the dutch totaalvoetbal in England. That's not easy at all, to build a different playing style in a type of football that seems to be built on different ideals.
Four City/Barca fans already voted?
How pretentious.
The PL makes or breaks managers. It's the most difficult league to manage in. Just look at the points gap over the last few seasons between the top 1, 2, or 3 teams in any other league compared to the PL. The teams with the deepest pockets don't always come out winners on the day, but usually come out winners on the season, except Leicester of course. Pep is PSG bound surely. It's the only thing PSG are missing. The money PSG are spending will require CL, otherwise it's a failure. City brought Pep in for the same but it's not going to happen. I think he'll finish his 3 years at City at most and PSG will come in with an offer that will rival a player transfer.
To people who see the PL as some sort of ultimate challenge acid test, then Pep won't ever prove them wrong. It is hilarious how that comic became canon though.
I'm curious why do you find it pretentious?
He's a good manager, and what he did with Barca is very admirable. But since then, he has been a disappointment for me. His philosophy is similar to LVG, except he actually has good players in attack. He seems to overcomplicate things and his possession football is boring to watch.
Even before Jose joined us, I have considered him a better manager than Pep. He seems far more flexible in his approach and he's won a lot of trophies with clubs where they were not favorites. For instance, I cannot see Pep going to Porto and winning the CL. He's a manager who needs serious talent in attack to work.
Even before Jose joined us, I have considered him a better manager than Pep. He seems far more flexible in his approach and he's won a lot of trophies with clubs where they were not favorites. For instance, I cannot see Pep going to Porto and winning the CL. He's a manager who needs serious talent in attack to work.
These type of revolutionary coaches don't tend to age well. They disrupt football for some years but then the rest of the world catches up and they're left in the dust. See Sacchi. At most he can expect to have a solid career from now on even if underwhelming compared to earlier successes, kinda like Van Gaal
He's pissed off and negated his best player and his transfer strategy just seems to be signing the biggest and most expensive names available in whatever position regardless of their actual quality or how well they fit in.
Very good coach in an attacking sense. Seems to be a bit of a creep though.
I don't think the Premier League makes or breaks players or managers, it is different to many continental European leagues though.
That difference demands adaptation. Pragmatic coaches like Mourinho and Ancelotti don't tend to have issues. That is because they are happy to change to suit circumstances.
The difficulty comes where your style is ill suited to English football. We have seen this with English coaches going abroad too. It's not easy to take a Premier League approach to Spain, for example.
Pep's default model is not suited to English football. Maybe @Kapardin is right, maybe he has no choice but to try and make it work? However, from the outside it doesn't seem like he's trying to change the City board's mind. You'd never see Pep go out and buy a bunch of big lads like Jose did. Even big lads who can play like Pogba and Matic. His zealous devotion to his philosophy makes that less likely than a cow flying over the moon.
At some stage he'll decide he still doesn't have the players for his perfect team, recall Yaya Toure et al. and plan another £200m spending spree next summer. He's so Van Gaal it's amusing.
Too early for this thread.
Comparisons with LVG are incredibly lazy at best too.
This. Footy is about feeling first and foremost, reflecting secondly, and analyzing thirdly.
Sadly, a lot fans have started doing them back to front, or even missing out the first one entirely.
Buying big lads is not a deviation from Mourinho's philosophy, it's central to it.
I think he's finding the prem harder than he thought, as is Klopp to a point. It's a really competitive league for managers used to a 2 or 3 horse race each year.
He has got to win something this year, almost anything will do, but definitely at least one trophy and come at least 2nd for his reputation to continue.
He has got to win something this year, almost anything will do, but definitely at least one trophy and come at least 2nd for his reputation to continue.
Exactly
Still one of the best managers in the world, but does not have a monopoly like he did in Spain and Germany.
Absolutely. Has some serious limitations as a manager as he doesn't know how to set up a defence. They look suspect every time the opposition team attacks.
It worked for Barca with Pep as they had Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Pique, Alves who were all masters at retaining the ball.
It worked to a degree with Bayern but it showed in CL's later stages that the absolute quality will take his teams for a short cut.
It worked for Barca with Pep as they had Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Pique, Alves who were all masters at retaining the ball.
It worked to a degree with Bayern but it showed in CL's later stages that the absolute quality will take his teams for a short cut.
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