What did Hillary do wrong and what's next for her?
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Sorry, this one's real.
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Bernie has not said he will not run.
He is I believe waiting for a candidate that will carry his message.
Harris has started by pushing single payer.
Joe Kennedy has been quiet. I'm sure he will run.
Still time. Meanwhile the Trump bonfire will get taller.
He is I believe waiting for a candidate that will carry his message.
Harris has started by pushing single payer.
Joe Kennedy has been quiet. I'm sure he will run.
Still time. Meanwhile the Trump bonfire will get taller.
It's interesting one of the reasons she claims Bernie was wrong about the party included Carter's Camp David Accords yet she doesn't mention Carter voted for Bernie.
Bernie's issue was with the middle age/older African American voting base.
Unclear whether they would back him next time round, but one encouraging sign is that a nationwide poll shows 73% of AA approve of him.
Bernie's issue was with the middle age/older African American voting base.
Unclear whether they would back him next time round, but one encouraging sign is that a nationwide poll shows 73% of AA approve of him.
I think he will perform better next time (if he runs) if someone like Hillary isn't running since the Clinton cabal tend to hoover up a lot of african-american votes just by virtue of Bill's popularity. Without a Clinton in the race, I think he will do significantly better, especially if someone like Harris is in the mix.
BTW....if Bernie runs against Drumpf.....you can bet the house that there will be adverts suggesting that its not worth voting Bernie since he's so old he may pass away while in office. I'm sure we'll also see a fair few ads "highlighting" his honeymoon in Moscow (although I'm sure Trump won't want to bring up Russia much).
A1.
And I'm a liberal (although I cringe at the thoughts of sharing an identity with most of the 'progressive' cretins about today).
I think one mistake the Sanders campaign made was not focusing much on letting people know the work Sanders did during the civil rights movement.
This was a good article i remember reading during the campaign.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry...-sanders-civil-rights-movement_b_9415736.html
W. actually had a brilliant response to that
That really was a seminal moment. It portrayed Gore as a robotic stiff and Dubya as distinctly normal.
Love Bush's nod. 
Why the feck is she running?
She's a fecking horrible human being. Almost as bad as Trump and it's painfully clear from the results of two previous election campaigns and all over the web/world that nobody fecking likes her. Hell, her fecking husband doesn't either, hence he did not have sexual relations with that woman.
Bernie can't run either surely, he's 197 years old. From everything I've read, seen and heard from him he seems like a decent guy and I'm glad he remains independent because both the Dems and the GOP can feck off but surely his time has passed?
She's a fecking horrible human being. Almost as bad as Trump and it's painfully clear from the results of two previous election campaigns and all over the web/world that nobody fecking likes her. Hell, her fecking husband doesn't either, hence he did not have sexual relations with that woman.
Bernie can't run either surely, he's 197 years old. From everything I've read, seen and heard from him he seems like a decent guy and I'm glad he remains independent because both the Dems and the GOP can feck off but surely his time has passed?
He is too old really, but then again if Trump runs again he's also very old so the attacks are blunted somewhat. I suspect the Dems could get away with Bernie paired with someone young and exciting. It'd dilute the inexperience attacks they'd otherwise face, and give a good insurance policy.
On a wider note though, it beggars belief how much energy that man has. The idea of running for president in your mid to late 70's in insane. Just the before and after photos of each president show how much of a physical toll it takes on people.
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I agree. I like him a lot, but he'll be 79 at the next election, and that's just too old. The democrats need to find a new Bill/Obama to freshen it all up and bring some new identity to the party. Hillary will never win and is also too old. I can't believe if the democrats let her run again.
A 'new' Sanders rather than a Bill/Obama
New poll today:
Trump +36, -52
Bernie + 44, -30
Hillary +30, -53
Obama +51, -35
She. Needs. To. Go. Away.
Also, 57% rate the economy good to excellent. Trump 2020.
Trump +36, -52
Bernie + 44, -30
Hillary +30, -53
Obama +51, -35
She. Needs. To. Go. Away.
Also, 57% rate the economy good to excellent. Trump 2020.
Can't believe this thread is ongoing. Agree with @berbatrick and the sooner the better
Third time's a charm. It would be great entertainment.
She won't run again. Think we all expected her to go quiet after the loss, but that's not her style.
Not true, Hillary would have won in a landslide if the world got to vote.
http://time.com/4560963/global-vote-hillary-clinton-president-good-country/
Would be genuinely baffling if she ran.
If the world was voting, she would not even have been the democratic nominee.
According to whom?
She's more hated than Trump?
Well Democrats Living Abroad went for him by 69%. Anecdotally everyone I know thought he was great and didn't really like her.
The world hates Trump. They don't like Hillary. The poll proves they hate Trump given he got a whopping 14% of the poll and came behind Jill Stein. Sadly some 60m Americans didn't see what we all see.
Plus the feminist vote and the people that would simply never vote Conservative.
Nobody actually likes Hillary. Reading excerpts from her book confirms just what a god awful human being she is.
She is the reason we have Trump.
But don't tell her.
But don't tell her.
That's not really the world, is it?
In the hypothetical world where everyone in the world got to vote for the US president, Hillary wins in a landslide.
or 80k or so idiots in those 3 states?
It's a silly discussion anyway - if Hilary was running for 'world' President then she'd no doubt be perceived differently because she'd be running on different issues and different campaign promises. The only thing that's ever been important is her popularity levels in the US.
pointless to blame voters.
last year was a rejection of your 'standard politician'.
last year was a rejection of your 'standard politician'.
Nah, Hilary was a poor candidate but people who voted for Trump, or who would've preferred Hilary to him but abstained or voted third party, should be somewhat culpable. Primarily Trump voters, of course, but those who can't stand him now but didn't opt for the best option to stop him were being silly.
You are missing the point. Its never the voters fault.
It is the fault of the parties. They have for the most part nominated candidates who either plain lied or talked the good talk but could not deliver. Hillary Was a poor candidate. But she still would have won if not for the fact her inability to carry important mid-west states. Its pointless to say she got a lot more votes. The Electoral College is what elects the President.
Trump and Sanders were not your 'normal' candidate. They ran Against the Establishment candidates.
Still Trump 'should' have lost. Fluke.
The Democratic party has still to do an honest analysis to address its failure.
The Republican party is in some ways also a loser. They cannot control their president. He certainly cannot control his party.
The struggle is between big business and people who have been ignored.