My black friend said your black friend was lying. And obviously my black friend speaks for all black people, therefore all black people think your friend was lying. And it can't be racist because I pretended to consult said black friend.
"Blackface" Discussion
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Imagine ignoring multiple points purely because you want to continue painting your skin as if that makes you look black.
I can’t stand wilful ignorance that’s steeped in discrimination.
I can’t stand wilful ignorance that’s steeped in discrimination.
Why would someone want to continue doing something they're explicitly told is racist unless they're racist?
Not wanting to paint your face black with any racist motivation, yet knowing it’s a racist act to do, is wilful ignorance.
It shows privilege and a lack of empathy.
Not only that, he’s ignoring the fact that I and other posters have countered every thing that he’s written, so at this point it’s tiring.
I can’t stand it and I have no time for it.
I can accept if someone is unaware of their actions being racist, but once you are aware and continue to want to do it you are complicit.
Svarteper is definitely a chimney sweep, but I wouldn't count out the possibility that he used to be a horribly racist caricature of a black boy.
A bit off topic but I love how many people of the english speaking countries think they're the center of the world and expect everyone else to know everything about their country while the majority of them know absolute feck all about the rest of the world.
Talk about irony.
Talk about irony.
I don't know why a white person would want to use the n word...even if you're friends.
I don't allow my black friends call me that name.
I don't allow my black friends call me that name.
Freedom of speech, obviously.
Why do these freedom of speech heroes get so upset if you then call them racists?
I mentioned my black friends because you said that maybe I just didn't have contact with enough perspectives, which is why I mentioned what perspectives I had from a black person's point of view. I didn't take my 3 friends' opinions and generalized it to every black person, I even made sure to make that clear. Painting my face black isn't and won't be seen as a racist act here and there's no reason for that to be the case given how its used in our culture just like showing the sole of your shoe isn't a problem in America while you'd be offending people by doing that in the middle east.
Just wanted to clear that up, I won't quote you anymore then.
This really itches my mind.
Forget USA legislation, as a Portuguese you should know the history of your own country ffs mate! Especially the colonial aspect of how you and Spain set up an entire social class system based on grading the color of skin from light to dark that has stretched all the way from California to Southern Argentina. You *should* be aware of how your country and your Iberian neighbor have a history of racism and slavery as well in the colonies - its not just the Brits and Dutch.
It blows my mind that someone from Portugal or Spain could actually claim historical ignorance of other culture's racial issues when your own nations spread the whole 'light skin=upper class, dark skin=lower class' social class system to the New World. These social classes did not spontaneous evolve naturally, they were installed by the Portuguese and Spanish. Really disappointed in some of the Iberian peninsula posters in this thread.
Are you saying someone is complicit in racism because the act of painting your face black has racial connotations in some part of the world and so everybody should stop doing it elsewhere?
If only people would take some time to read the thread, even 20%, before posting....
Every few pages someone comes in and posts something that's already been discussed to death, and the whole conversation gets repeated...
Rinse and repeat....
Every few pages someone comes in and posts something that's already been discussed to death, and the whole conversation gets repeated...
Rinse and repeat....
Nope.
Painting your skin black is racist.
Regardless of what part of the world you are in, regardless of your perceived notion that your country didn’t partake in minstrel shows, therefore it’s acceptable for you - nope.
Blacking up is racist, and there’s no justification for it.
Now, if you weren’t aware of this at the time - like everyone is giving Griezmann the benefit of doubt - then nobody is going to call you a racist.
However, after being informed of the historical aspects of blackface, and it’s modern adaptations - if you choose to black up while aware of all of this, then you are complicit in racism yes.
You are willingly partaking in a racist act.
Seen a number of posters here though with just the opposite view also, mostly they seem to be Europeans.
For the record, the part of the world where it's racist to black up is the world.
Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race and ethnicity.
Why is painting my face black a racist act?
Is a black man painting his face white a racist act?
Why is painting my face black a racist act?
Is a black man painting his face white a racist act?
Seriously, do people not read the prior pages, or ask google?
Painting yourself like a black person doesn't happen for aracial reason.
It has already been answered. Painting your face black to have a laugh is racist.
I dont give a flying feck tbh. When you are insensitive to other cultures, you shouldn’t be surprised when someone calls you out on it. Only a racist would double down on it instead of acknowledging the point being made.
This really itches my mind.
Forget USA legislation, as a Portuguese you should know the history of your own country ffs mate! Especially the colonial aspect of how you and Spain set up an entire social class system based on grading the color of skin from light to dark that has stretched all the way from California to Southern Argentina. You *should* be aware of how your country and your Iberian neighbor have a history of racism and slavery as well in the colonies - its not just the Brits and Dutch.
It blows my mind that someone from Portugal or Spain could actually claim historical ignorance of other culture's racial issues when your own nations spread the whole 'light skin=upper class, dark skin=lower class' social class system to the New World. These social classes did not spontaneous evolve naturally, they were installed by the Portuguese and Spanish. Really disappointed in some of the Iberian peninsula posters in this thread.
I know all about it and studied it for years and years. I know about Portugal's colonies, the history of racism and slavery and I never argued that wasn't the case here.
I asked the same 20 pages ago
Painting your face black doesn’t make you look black.
You look like a caricature of a black person. You look like a joke.
Your outfit is deemed funny, amusing, and not serious.
You’re wearing our skin as if it’s funny, and after all the jokes you can wash it off and continue to live your life.
Whereas me wearing my actual black skin on a day to day basis don’t get that privilege.
I have to be subject to soap ads which depict black skin as being dirty, unclean and related to being poor and uneducated.
Me wearing my skin means I get profiled 5x as often.
Me wearing my skin and my funny Afro means I’m 3x less likely to get a job.
Do you not understand that there are millions of black people who hate their skin because of how it’s been portrayed for hundreds of years?
And yet the world wants to continue to make us to be a joke.
There’s literally no need for it.
Black skin is not a costume.
It's much more nuanced than this I'm afraid. A recent poll in a mayor city in Belgium showed that 93% of the population don't see an issue with it. In your opinion, all of these people are racist? Or maybe it's because most of them don't know about the reason why you find it racist?
If people find it offending, and if there is one thing I've learned in this topic it is, I'm all for banning it. But you have to realize most of my fellow countrymen never seen it as a racist act.
Imagine trying to claim that your actions dont offend a whole race of people because a handful of your friends led you to believe that.
Imagine acting superior to the US and the UK based on the fact that those countries have a visible race problem while ignoring the fact that they are actively challenging that race problem as opposed to pretending it doesn't exist.
Imagine being told that something you thought was benign was in fact hurtful to a lot of people, then deciding that you didn't care anyway and still wanted to do it.
Imagine acting superior to the US and the UK based on the fact that those countries have a visible race problem while ignoring the fact that they are actively challenging that race problem as opposed to pretending it doesn't exist.
Imagine being told that something you thought was benign was in fact hurtful to a lot of people, then deciding that you didn't care anyway and still wanted to do it.
Someone link me to it then, I've read all pages and still don't understand.
Thinking painting your face black without in any way mocking, stereotyping, making a derogatory gesture or aluding to one in a country where doing it doesn't have a racist historical background doesn't make any sense to me.
It is why skin bleaching is popular in the Caribbean
If they're condoning this, then yes.
Blackface is steeped in the denigration, dehumanisation and discrimination of black people based on how we look, talk, act etc.
So yes, it ticks the box for racism.
Have white people been subject to hundreds of years of humiliation based on their physical appearance and the colour of their skin?
Then you should know better than some of the posts in this thread.
Just to keep it simple:, when your own nation has a history of systematically spreading a racist class system across multiple foreign cultures that did not have such a system based on rating people's skin color (light=good, dark=bad) before your nation helped install it, maybe you shouldn't be so crass and ignorant about how painting your face black is inherently racist in large part because of the racist class system your nation propagated.
**cringe**
And Africa
It’s why there’s so much anti-blackness and anti-dark skin in Asia and South America, even the light skin vs dark skin issue among black people in america.
To suggest that this is some harmless act is completely ignorant.
And to continue want to do it even after learning is disgusting.
If only people would take some time to read the thread, even 20%, before posting....
Every few pages someone comes in and posts something that's already been discussed to death, and the whole conversation gets repeated...
Rinse and repeat....
Very few people read very long threads in their entirety. They instead read the last page and comment on something that interests them there. Another reason why very long threads are completely pointless.
You don't need an historical background. Do you burst into laughter when you see an african enter a room, is there something comic about the color of his skin?
There might be an undiscovered tribe in the antarctic that blacks up for perfectly legitimate reasons, so blackface isn't racist, or something.
He didn't even need to read the whole thread to avoid repeating the same arguments... Personally, I take the time to read a thread.
The guy said he read the whole thread as well... And still ended up making that post.
I had such high hopes for him. All that avant grade film talk and now he goes and posts this crap. What a disappointment.
There’s no reason for a white person to paint their skin black.
There’s no reason for a white person to paint their skin brown, yellow or red indian.
And vice versa. There is none.
I wouldn’t feel endeared if someone painted their white skin black, I would feel mocked and made to be a joke.
You have the privilege of not having to think about racism, so to you skin colour probably isn’t important.
I would suggest you shouldn’t project your perspective as if everyone has that same luxury, we don’t.
I mean, if your parents bought you a caricature of a costume, painted your face and sprinkled you with curry powder they're a bit racist. You'd get a free pass since you were a kid though.