Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)

yep. It was quite incredible he hauled them over the line with the incoming RVP rejuvenated for 1 year.
There's been many threads discussing the 'legacy' of aged players left by fergie.
10 Years after the takeover and the influx of new players, City did something about those older players. well duh.


Yes they do, as per the audited accounts for the past 3 years.


It's about 12% of the total Commerical revenue that comes from Abu Dhabi, according to previous posts on this thread.
So worth a Lindelof a year.


It really should be considerably more if it was based on your previous statement? Unlimited apparently.
https://www.mancity.com/fans-and-community/club/partners/global
https://www.mancity.com/fans-and-community/club/partners/regional
Which contains some well known Abu Dhabi global companies like:
Nike, Nissan, Nexen, SAP, Hayes, Wix, Gatorade, QNet, Valvoline, BetSafe, EA Sports, Wega, DSquared2 etc


PSG have an (unknown to me) different business model, that's why UEFA FFP is investigating them, whereas City was looked at and is fine.
Regarding strange deals, I'd suggest United's Chevrolet one is perhaps the most strange. And remember the Chevrolet PR wonk who got sacked after it was signed?


Yes the current one, which ends next year, is crap, but then again it was reasonable value when it was originally signed in 2014. And you clearly don't read many facts about City, as the next sponsor is £50m a year with the local Abu Dhabi company of Puma... nor the fact that it's currently 20m a year with Nike.


He was available last year, if you read anything anywhere.
That boat sailed last month. Shame, but close.


Jeez the groundsmen must be on 100k a week if that 20% was true. I'm in the wrong job!

I'm happy for you to posts links to the reported income streams from those non Abu Dhabi companies showing that they account for 88% of your commercial income... Considering the largest one is Nissan at under £20m, followed by Nike at £12m and Nexus tyres at £7m I'd love to see where the remaining £155m of that 88% come from... Here's a hint - it's TCA Abu Dhabi, Etisalat, Etihad, Saudi Bank, Aabar, First Gulf Bank

Likewise if you think it's just the groundsman that have been transferred to the holding company you're naive. When you made this change your wage bill instantly reduced by 15% despite your players signing new uplifted contracts.

Let's be blunt though... Anyone who thinks a team that can't fill their 55000 seater stadium can perform not only much better commercially than teams like Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea; but also comparatively with teams like Barcelona and Real Madrid... Needs a reality check.

Without Abu Dhabi companies City would be somewhere near Spurs.
 
Bored.

Same old refuted stuff endlessly regurgitated.
The record (yes I’m old), is seemingly stuck in its groove.

Every so often a post that has some semblance of reason, and actually discusses football with how bad/good xyz subject matter related to City, is.

Sadly few and far inbetween in this type of thread.

Carry on and I’ll go hack to pre -2014 lurker level (‘hurrah!’ I hear).

Happy Christmas.
 
Wvat’s the title of that song again? Let’s Go Round Again?
 
So this thread is still in meltdown anyway...

Happy christmas to everyone whose posted in here, even those spouting pure and utter lies (you've made it fun) and those who just dislike City or those who love our great club. Also Namco (I know you still read, out there may Santa bring you the Pep Guardiola shaped dartboard you dream of), happy christmas to you my friend and may all your new accounts stay unbanned.

I miss namco :(
 
Abu Dhabi is competing with Qater to impose itself into global consciousness and so will keep investing at increasing rates until at least after the Qater world cup. I believe it's a nation branding marketing exercise but will deliver huge profits on the decades to come.

Personally I don't have a problem with the size and source of City's investment: we live in a complicated world where source of income has deep historical context: eg: western nations building their economies on slavery and colonialisation.

My issue is that many City fans refuse to acknowledge it the role of superior finance. When Manchester United were the best funded team around under Kenyan, Gill and SAF, fans were proud of our ability to generate cash.

I suspect that because City's cash is not self generated, their fans lose that moral legitimacy and the bragging rights, which is why we get all their other exuses now.

As far as I know, not a single regular City poster on here has failed to acknowledge that we “won the lottery” with the ADUG takeover. In any case, I’m a fan and none of the fans are involved in the running of the club so I’m not sure why the fans are getting the blame for who runs the club.

Similarly, United fans aren’t to blame for the Glazers buying your club and I find it bizarre how any reds can defend the Glazers (incidentally, does that Glazer apologist GCHQ still post on here?) while slating the likes of MUST who, in the main, do a great job when it comes to looking after the interests of fans.
 
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City do not run a profitable business.

Yes they do as the UEFA succeed accounts show.

City have above market value sponsorships from a dozen companies that have ties with your ownership.

No they don’t. They receive £40m from Etihad for shirt sponsor, stadium sponsor and campus sponsorship. That's now hugely undervalued but is up for renewal at the end of next year.

Hence the reason that your commercial income has increased from £18m in 2009 to £218m in 2017.

Combined with winning the league twice, being in the CL each and every year and winning three other domestic cup trophies. Commercial revenue follows success and there are few clubs talked and written about more these days in the U.K. Than Man City. Hell, even an American company are giving us a load of money to film the inner sanctums for a season (more on that later).

City have the same business model as PSG - although the former are a bit more surreptitious than the latter in having a dozen deals at £10-15m per annum above market value, rather than one deal worth £175m.

You just make stuff up don't you, City have far more sponsors than those linked to AD. There's the main sponsor Etihad, then Etisalat, AD Tourism authority, Aarbar.

The none AD sponsors are Nissan, Nike, Nexen, SAP, Hays, Wix, Gatorade, QNET, Valvoline, Ubtech, Techno, Mundipharma, EA sports, Wega, DSquared, Wolfblass, Eaton and healthpoint.

And on top of that Amazon chose City for the season long documentary for a minimum £10m.

You've no basis in fact for what you say above in the slightest.

It's no coincidence that your kit deal is worth a paltry £12m per annum - although I'm sure "Abu Dhabi football kits" will be incorporated in time for your 2019 deal - I imagine at £70m+ a season.

Yes £12m doesn't seem huge however it was low because it was a ten year deal signed before we'd even played in the CL or Europa, he'll it was signed before we even had Sven.

Now we are looking at £50m to start the bidding. Shows how far we've come in ten years. (suppose Puma are middle eastern now?)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...City-hit-jackpot-50million-Puma-kit-deal.html

That's before even talking about the dodgy practice of having non-football staff employed by the holding company instead of City in order to deflate your wage bill to the tune of 20%+.

Yes I'm sure Anne the tea lady commands £10k per week.

Look, if you want to just make up figures because it makes you feel better or superior then go right ahead but I'll reserve the right to ask you to back anything up as I know full well that you can't. You may think you know all about the finances of MCFC but you're an amateur compared with a City fan that does actually know the situation. We've lived through preFFP, FFP and now profit and know it all like the back of ours hands. But as I say, if rolling out every cliché about City and their revenue makes you feel better after the weekend then enjoy.

Have a good Christmas.

What is the end game for City and PSG owners. Are they trying to make profits in the end? Do they wash money? Are the clubs just toys, like a new lambo. Are they really huge football fans or business men?

Abramovich wasn't super rich like these guys, he did some money washing. Also he did turn Chelsea huge, and the boat is run very tight nowadays without throwing money. I belive Abramovich made profit.

Mansour would make a profit tomorrow. £850m spent in total. Valued at £2bn when he sold 13% to the Chinese.

I suspect that because City's cash is not self generated

Please see above. It wasn’t 9 years ago. It is now.

I prefer contempt rather than disgust.

Utter contempt.

Well if you prefer it then I hope you get lots. :-)

The 16th century version of "who pays for city's beautifull game" would be "who pays for the beautifull works of Leonardo Da Vinci"? Shall we refrain to admire his works, and rather look at it with disgust for what allowed it to come about?

Well said.

Anyone who thinks a team that can't fill their 55000 seater stadium can perform not only much better commercially than teams like Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea;

Ignoring the fact that we sell out each league game (but I love that you’re so wound up and bent out of shape you fall back to the classics), which shirt appears on TV more regularly, City or Arsenal. Which side has won more things this decade, City or Liverpool?

Considering the largest one is Nissan at under £20m, followed by Nike at £12m and Nexus tyres at £7m I'd love to see where the remaining £155m of that 88% come from... Here's a hint - it's TCA Abu Dhabi, Etisalat, Etihad, Saudi Bank, Aabar, First Gulf Bank

Well two things here, you made the Saudi Bank link up and Saudi isn’t part of the UAE anyway.

You also missed off these other non UAE partners (further to the ones I already listed above), Betsafe, Heineken, SHB Bank, CITI, Khymer Beverages, Itrader, hyperion, Whaley, Pak Lighting, jiwasraya, teacate, digicel, soccerworld, PZ Cussons, Carlsberg, Astra

So you reckon we have loads of partners in the UAE each funnelling 10/15m into our coffers. We actually have (excluding underpriced main sponsor) four so by your (completely made up on the spot) reckoning then City are raking in an additional £40 to £60m. You should probably write to someone at Uefa or maybe a newspaper. I’m sure they’d love to publish your story. Or you could always admit defeat and say “Gee, that’s a lot of information I wasn’t aware of, you're quite right 34 non Abu Dhabi commercial ties is quite a lot compared with the 4 that do have links with AD. Yeah, maybe it’s not so bent as I thought."
 
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So you want the UK to impose sanctions on two countries for having the audacity to be constitutional monarchies?

This is why football fans should stick to football and not politics. The UAE and Qatar may not be remotely perfect but they’ve created a great deal less bloodshed in the world than the bastions of the “Free world” that are the USA and UK.

Well played, sir.
 
Leaving the, we cheated, we bought the refs and the press, lucky decisions, tactical fouls and time wasting nonsense to one side for a moment, Its Newcastle away next up.

Not expecting to lose but it ia a potential banana skin. If they parm the bus City will pick them off I believe, but their lastet up turn indicates they may be best having a go. They look a lot better going forward. Could make for an open and interesting game.

Anyone expecting a slip up?
 
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Leaving the, we cheated, we bought the refs and the press, lucky decisions, tactical fouls and time wasting nonsense to one side for a moment, Its Newcastle away next up.

Not expecting to lose but it ia a potential banana skin. If they parm the bus City will pick them off I believe, but their lastet up turn indicates they may be best having a go. They look a lot better going forward. Could make for an open and interesting game.

Anyone expecting a slip up?
id be disappointed if we dont dick em tbh
 
Leaving the, we cheated, we bought the refs and the press, lucky decisions, tactical fouls and time wasting nonsense to one side for a moment, Its Newcastle away next up.

Not expecting to lose but it ia a potential banana skin. If they parm the bus City will pick them off I believe, but their lastet up turn indicates they may be best having a go. They look a lot better going forward. Could make for an open and interesting game.

Anyone expecting a slip up?

Not really I’m afraid, they are letting in too many goals and will gift City free chances. Their lowest level is incredibly low, which of course make their average level lower as well. To be honest, everytime I see Newcastle I see defenders messing up simple stuff. 19 goals in the net since from and when we played them in match 12.
 
Really is depressing how far ahead they are. We have stood by and watched all this happen and done nothing. They made so many great signings over the last few years, yes a lot of rubbish too but that’s just the reality of football.
 
If Liverpool or Arsenal were this far clear i'd be jumping up and down, but with City I find it hard to care, I'm not bitter, just uninterested.
 
I think Ederson is one of their most influential players IMO. His confidence and skill on the ball must be a relief for the whole team knowing they can generally count on him.
 
I think Ederson is one of their most influential players IMO. His confidence and skill on the ball must be a relief for the whole team knowing they can generally count on him.
Pep found himself a new Neuer.
 
The best form of defence is offence I guess

I prefer to think of it as one phase. People tend to think of offensive phases and defensive phases as seperate. They are able to attack like they do because of their defensive structure that allows them to counter press effectively and prevent the counter.
 
Really is depressing how far ahead they are. We have stood by and watched all this happen and done nothing. They made so many great signings over the last few years, yes a lot of rubbish too but that’s just the reality of football.
I agree. And the biggest signing of all was Pep Guardiola. They started preparing for his arrival a long time before he was announced. Ferran Soriano and Txiki were already there and he obviously knew them from Barcelona. Why didn't we make an effort to convince him to come to United? I don't really understand. Pep was on a 1 year sabbatical during Fergie's last year. Perhaps he just didn't fancy the PL at the the time but still. Fergie knew at Christmas time he was going to leave and we could've tried at that time.
 
City are now reaping what they have sown on and off the pitch past 3 years while Utd have been like a rudderless, direction less ship with no sense of vision or structure going back to 2013 and the absolute monstrosity of a succession plan from Ferguson onwards,City are like a (pardon the pun) well oiled machine and make Woodward and the Glazers look absolutely amateurish in comparison,it actually goes much deeper than merely throwing money at problems!!!!!!
 
Really is depressing how far ahead they are. We have stood by and watched all this happen and done nothing. They made so many great signings over the last few years, yes a lot of rubbish too but that’s just the reality of football.

Pep Guardiola will have made us look similarly frightening or at the very least significantly better if he had managed us with our collection of players. If Mourinho was managing City they would not be this good. I personally don't think that their squad is as good as their lead suggests. It's Pep.
 
City are now reaping what they have sown on and off the pitch past 3 years while Utd have been like a rudderless, direction less ship with no sense of vision or structure going back to 2013 and the absolute monstrosity of a succession plan from Ferguson onwards,City are like a (pardon the pun) well oiled machine and make Woodward and the Glazers look absolutely amateurish in comparison,it actually goes much deeper than merely throwing money at problems!!!!!!


i think its worse than that.
I think the glazers and woodward are following the arsenal business plan, invest just enough to qualify for europe and extract as much money as possible
 
Pep Guardiola will have made us look similarly frightening or at the very least significantly better if he had managed us with our collection of players. If Mourinho was managing City they would not be this good. I personally don't think that their squad is as good as their lead suggests. It's Pep.
100% this
 
Pep Guardiola will have made us look similarly frightening or at the very least significantly better if he had managed us with our collection of players. If Mourinho was managing City they would not be this good. I personally don't think that their squad is as good as their lead suggests. It's Pep.
I don’t really think any squad can be good enough to justify that kind of lead. Which again, is extra plaudits to the manager. It’s an absolute freak domination.
 
i think its worse than that.
I think the glazers and woodward are following the arsenal business plan, invest just enough to qualify for europe and extract as much money as possible
Since they're paying big money for players I wouldn't say that. They're trying to get us back on top. Is it working is another story.
 
Pep Guardiola will have made us look similarly frightening or at the very least significantly better if he had managed us with our collection of players. If Mourinho was managing City they would not be this good. I personally don't think that their squad is as good as their lead suggests. It's Pep.

Not much we can do about it now tbf. He's the best manager in the world and probably one of the top 5ish ever already - they hardly grow on trees.
 
Can they calm down already? 15 points isn't fun man, we want an exciting title race. :(
 
Pep Guardiola will have made us look similarly frightening or at the very least significantly better if he had managed us with our collection of players. If Mourinho was managing City they would not be this good. I personally don't think that their squad is as good as their lead suggests. It's Pep.
No squad in the history of the game is so good as to warrant this level of dominance so far. The same was with Bayern, their history of winning their league masked the fact that the level of dominance they achieved under him was ridiculously unique. You could put any of the other top 6 teams in the Championship and none of them would win 18 out of 19 games with similar shots and possession stats.
 
City are now reaping what they have sown on and off the pitch past 3 years while Utd have been like a rudderless, direction less ship with no sense of vision or structure going back to 2013 and the absolute monstrosity of a succession plan from Ferguson onwards,City are like a (pardon the pun) well oiled machine and make Woodward and the Glazers look absolutely amateurish in comparison,it actually goes much deeper than merely throwing money at problems!!!!!!
Or at exclamation marks.
 
Teams are making it too easy for City now. They're scared of their reputation and are defeated before they even start. It's the Aura we had under Fergie.

As soon as Newcastle actually tried to win the ball a bit higher, they put them under pressure and nearly scored. Every time they just backed off it works exactly how City want it.

They gave De Bruyne all the room in the world to run at them or pick out killer balls, it's just far too easy.

Once teams realise getting in Citys face is the right thing to do we will see better results.
 
“The best way to defend is far, far away from your goal.”

How simple and true is that statement? If only more managers thought this way Football would benefit.
 
I don't cheer for City, I cheer for Barcelona - I appreciate, however, football that evokes joy and when Pep coaches a team that's what he brings

If you love football, I cannot understand how anyone cannot appreciate what is going on at City. It's annoying I realize for many United fans but there's a reason why most people tune into their matches, they are assured of being entertained
Firstly, :lol:

Secondly, City are not one of the most watched clubs in the league:

https://www.google.ca/amp/worldsocc...er-league-viewing-figure-since-september/amp/

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.chron...emier-leagues-most-watched-games-13747817.amp
 
I agree. And the biggest signing of all was Pep Guardiola. They started preparing for his arrival a long time before he was announced. Ferran Soriano and Txiki were already there and he obviously knew them from Barcelona. Why didn't we make an effort to convince him to come to United? I don't really understand. Pep was on a 1 year sabbatical during Fergie's last year. Perhaps he just didn't fancy the PL at the the time but still. Fergie knew at Christmas time he was going to leave and we could've tried at that time.
I am not sure he would have even considered a perfect fit with the model we run. After Fergie's unprecedented success as a manager and head of all footballing and some business operations, we seem to be looking to replicate that model almost desperately. We are trusting managers with every aspect of how the club is run which is part of the lack of coherent footballing strategy that we have been suffering from. Guardiola seems like he wants nothing to do with that, he wants to coach and focus on achieving his ideal level of performance with others buying and selling for him. There were stories in the past about how they missed out on players like Özil because Mourinho actually bothered to meet him and speak with him and Pep did not for example. City's model was always the better environment for him to do what he wants to do.
 
Teams are making it too easy for City now. They're scared of their reputation and are defeated before they even start. It's the Aura we had under Fergie.

As soon as Newcastle actually tried to win the ball a bit higher, they put them under pressure and nearly scored. Every time they just backed off it works exactly how City want it.

They gave De Bruyne all the room in the world to run at them or pick out killer balls, it's just far too easy.

Once teams realise getting in Citys face is the right thing to do we will see better results.

Like Spurs. Who were lucky not to concede 6-7 goals.
 
Barcelona were putting up similar figures, and we matched them blow for blow for 3 years, beating them once. They barely lost a step after he left, too. That season with Tata Martino who everyone called a moron, they finished with 87 points and were one wrongly disallowed goal in the "final" from actually winning the title. Then they won the treble. Bayern had already shattered every league record the season before Guardiola took over

Guardiola is amazing at taking great collections of players and fine tuning them into unstoppable juggernauts, sure, but he's not alone in that. 05/06 chelsea under Mou were 3 points worse off by this point in the season iirc.

Simply put, Guardiola's team is doing what all of his teams did. The problem is there's no one good enough to keep up in the PL right now