Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)

[el magico]

I'd imagine so. One of the most successful players you've brought through in most fans lifetimes. Right up there with Joey Barton

No mate, I think the rumours were the Chelsea money saved us from bankruptcy. Barton just saved us from relegation......and some would say helped with the 2012 league title....

 

[Ram1fy]

Well maybe don't blow all your budget on a couple of players then? Can't break a world record transfer fee and then sign the second most expensive PL import as well and complain that you've got to play wingers as fullbacks (and what about Luke Shaw? You have a £30m fullback at your club anyway). You've just gone out and bought Sanchez in a deal that wasn't cheap. Clearly, you've made a decision to not prioritise fullbacks, because you've had more than enough money to address it.

At least it's money that the club earns

 

[OverratedOpinion]

No mate, I think the rumours were the Chelsea money saved us from bankruptcy. Barton just saved us from relegation......and some would say helped with the 2012 league title....

I remember, it's funny that you seem to take issue with the idea that your clubs financial position is based on luck then in the next post point to the fact that the way your club was being run nearly lead to bankruptcy.

 

[el magico]

Because most of you are so backward you need a metaphor to illustrate a point just as a child needs a picture book

This is actually a United forum btw if you don’t like it.....

If there were no City fans on here you could play Citeh bingo all day long: emptihad, oil money, history, FFP, baldy and his peds, media injustice, lucky decisions, dodgy referees, i've never seen a citeh fan in Truro/Toronto/Tipperary/Thirivanthapuram...etc. Just appreciate our moderating influence.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

For me it always felt like when Chelsea brought players for over 20 Million they would be more important purchases. I may be wrong looking back at players like Wright Phillips but the numbers do back that up somewhat when you compare their net spends.

Between Roman taking over and Chelsea winning the CL in 2012 they spent ~ £1 Billion of Roman's money.

Here was the first season of Roman transfers

DF Glen Johnson £6,000,000[6] 15 July 2003
MF Geremi £7,000,000[7] 16 July 2003
DF Wayne Bridge £7,000,000[8] 21 July 2003
MF Damien Duff £17,000,000[9] 21 July 2003
MF Joe Cole £6,600,000[10] 6 August 2003
MF Juan Sebastián Verón £15,000,000[11] 6 August 2003
FW Adrian Mutu £15,800,000[12] 12 August 2003
MF Alexey Smertin £3,450,000[13] 25 August 2003
FW Hernán Crespo £16,800,000[14] 26 August 2003
GK Neil Sullivan £500,000[15] 29 August 2003
MF Claude Makélélé £16,000,000[16] 31 August 2003
MF Scott Parker £10,000,000[17] 30 January 2004

And here is the second:

DF Paulo Ferreira £13.2 million[4] 23 June 2004
GK Petr Čech £7.1 million[5] 1 July 2004
MF Arjen Robben £12 million[6] 1 July 2004
FW Mateja Kežman £5.3 million[7] 13 July 2004
FW Didier Drogba £24 million[8] 20 July 2004
MF Tiago £10 million[9] 21 July 2004
DF Ricardo Carvalho £19.85 million[10] 28 July 2004
DF Nuno Morais l Undisclosed[11] 29 August 2004
MF Jiří Jarošík £3 million[12] 6 January 2005

Chelsea pioneered the spend any amount of money to buy whatever top or near top players you can to buy the title approach. Literally nothing between the approach of City and Pep and Chelsea and Mourinho. If City is buying their way to success then so did Mourinho.

 

[el magico]

I remember, it's funny that you seem to take issue with the idea that your clubs financial position is based on luck then in the next post point to the fact that the way your club was being run nearly lead to bankruptcy.

Not sure what you are talking about here?

 

[#07]

The way that Pep FC has tried to spin its spending since losing out on Sanchez is laughable. All of a sudden there are limits to what Pep FC can do. Where were the limits when Pep spent £191.70 million last season https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-city/transfers/verein/281/saison_id/2016 …? Where were the limits when Pep spent £222.13 million last summer https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-city/transfers/verein/281#subnavi …? Rumour has it that he's about to drop another £50 million on Laporte too. Pep FC would be much better served throwing its weight around unashamedly. Nobody is buying the woe to me, we can't spend like other clubs because it'd blow back on us act.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Between Roman taking over and Chelsea winning the CL in 2012 they spent ~ £1 Billion of Roman's money.

Here was the first season of Roman transfers

DF Glen Johnson £6,000,000[6] 15 July 2003
MF Geremi £7,000,000[7] 16 July 2003
DF Wayne Bridge £7,000,000[8] 21 July 2003
MF Damien Duff £17,000,000[9] 21 July 2003
MF Joe Cole £6,600,000[10] 6 August 2003
MF Juan Sebastián Verón £15,000,000[11] 6 August 2003
FW Adrian Mutu £15,800,000[12] 12 August 2003
MF Alexey Smertin £3,450,000[13] 25 August 2003
FW Hernán Crespo £16,800,000[14] 26 August 2003
GK Neil Sullivan £500,000[15] 29 August 2003
MF Claude Makélélé £16,000,000[16] 31 August 2003
MF Scott Parker £10,000,000[17] 30 January 2004

And here is the second:

DF Paulo Ferreira £13.2 million[4] 23 June 2004
GK Petr Čech £7.1 million[5] 1 July 2004
MF Arjen Robben £12 million[6] 1 July 2004
FW Mateja Kežman £5.3 million[7] 13 July 2004
FW Didier Drogba £24 million[8] 20 July 2004
MF Tiago £10 million[9] 21 July 2004
DF Ricardo Carvalho £19.85 million[10] 28 July 2004
DF Nuno Morais l Undisclosed[11] 29 August 2004
MF Jiří Jarošík £3 million[12] 6 January 2005

Chelsea pioneered the spend any amount of money to buy whatever top or near top players you can to buy the title approach. Literally nothing between the approach of City and Pep and Chelsea and Mourinho. If City is buying their way to success then so did Mourinho.

To be fair looking at that, what I said about players over 20 Million shows to be correct.

They definitely spent a lot of money though that is true.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

To be fair looking at that, what I said about players over 20 Million shows to be correct.

They definitely spent a lot of money though that is true.

True though I'd add 20 million was different in 2003-2006 than it is in 2017-2018 as well

 

[OverratedOpinion]

True though I'd add 20 million was different in 2003-2006 than it is in 2017-2018 as well

Yeah of course and I think another part of it is probably just that Jose generally buys pretty well. Hughes and Mancini probably not as much so.

Edit: Looking at that list he had a couple of misses but there were some incredible signings in there. Drogba, Robben, Carvalho, Cech, Makelele.

 

[MAME DIOUF 32]

I'd say City's spin job has been pretty successful. I'm not seeing any major media sources talking about the £300m defence and, much worse, nobody is drawing any kind of distinction between United spending money earned by the club as they see fit and City spending oil riches.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Yeah of course and I think another part of it is probably just that Jose generally buys pretty well. Hughes and Mancini probably not as much so.

Edit: Looking at that list he had a couple of misses but there were some incredible signings in there. Drogba, Robben, Carvalho, Cech, Makelele.

That's fair but with Pep I'd say its the same. City's spending has been a lot more focused and efficient since he has been there than it was before. Same as Roman was all over the place more without Mourinho. They both buy well for their systems.

Wenger on the other hand buys based on bargains. Ranieri takes gambles. Other managers just buy poorly for no reason , etc

 

[padr81]

The way that Pep FC has tried to spin its spending since losing out on Sanchez is laughable. All of a sudden there are limits to what Pep FC can do. Where were the limits when Pep spent £191.70 million last season https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-city/transfers/verein/281/saison_id/2016 …? Where were the limits when Pep spent £222.13 million last summer https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-city/transfers/verein/281#subnavi …? Rumour has it that he's about to drop another £50 million on Laporte too. Pep FC would be much better served throwing its weight around unashamedly. Nobody is buying the woe to me, we can't spend like other clubs because it'd blow back on us act.

Ignoring the obvious Pep FC wumming. Tell me again when anyone from City said "woe to me".

I believe Pep said we have a budget and we work within it albeit a very large one. Pep's words on the subject: "Of course, we spend a lot money but it is the same money as a lot of other teams. I can assure you we are not the only team in the world that spend money."

“We’ve spent a lot of money, we can’t deny that, but I’ve never put pressure on a club when they believe it is too much.

“Immediately I accept that decision and move forward to find another solution.

“The stability of the club is the most important thing.”

Yup, woe to me indeed... because you've just plucked an imaginary situation straight out of your arse with absolutely no grounding in reality.

Woe is this guy too right? with a £650m squad...
"Do you think the club can spend £600m and buy six players of £100m? The club cannot do that and I cannot expect the club to do that so I am not being critical."
"OK, it is not enough (£300m). The price for the big clubs is different than for the other clubs. The big historical clubs, they are normally punished in the market because of that history."

 

[padr81]

Yeah of course and I think another part of it is probably just that Jose generally buys pretty well. Hughes and Mancini probably not as much so.

Edit: Looking at that list he had a couple of misses but there were some incredible signings in there. Drogba, Robben, Carvalho, Cech, Makelele.

Mancini spent brilliantly at City imho, Hughes and Pellegrini terrible.

His first season was phenomenal in hindsight - Silva, Dzeko, Toure, Milner, Balotelli, Kolarov and Boateng (who we couldn't keep)
His second season was arguably as good with - Aguero, Nasri and Clichy (Nasri was good under Mancini) and scored the decisive goal in the Stevie G slip season after he left). Savic (who like Boateng was a good player who never quite felt comfortable and is currently doing well for Atletico.) Even Pantillimon did well for a £2m keeper.
Mancini's final season was his only poor one in the market and many believe those were Marwood signings, they certainly didn't fit the Mancini profile and as we know all was not well behind the scenes.
Sinclair, Rodwell, Javi Garcia, Nastasic and Maicon.

All in all I'd say Mancini's spending was excellent. What came before and after is where we spunked a boat load of money.

Hughes on the other hand spent £270m in 18 month around 2008 and £62m of that was on Adebayor, Jo and Roque Santa Cruz

 

[AshRK]

Well maybe don't blow all your budget on a couple of players then? Can't break a world record transfer fee and then sign the second most expensive PL import as well and complain that you've got to play wingers as fullbacks (and what about Luke Shaw? You have a £30m fullback at your club anyway). You've just gone out and bought Sanchez in a deal that wasn't cheap. Clearly, you've made a decision to not prioritise fullbacks, because you've had more than enough money to address it.

Pretty lame statement coming from a city fan. When a top defender costs you around 50m , what makes you think we would get a top midfielder and striker less than that. Let us not forget unlike you we had 0 midfield and no world class attacker when Jose joined us.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

Anyone know what he’s smoking bcuz I want some of it

 

[padr81]

Anyone know what he’s smoking bcuz I want some of it

Whats he saying thats not true. 22 world class players would cost 2 billion in today market or at least 1.5bn. If the going rate for a worldclass midfielder is £100m, a world class forward £150m (Mbappe) and defender (£60m and one could argue none of City's current defenders or VVD are world class). As he said even City can't afford to have a squad that costs that.... He even said in plain english "No club can do that, even City".

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

Whats he saying thats not true. 22 world class players would cost 2 billion in today market or at least 1.5bn. If the going rate for a worldclass midfielder is £100m, a world class forward £150m (Mbappe) and defender (£60m and one could argue none of City's current defenders or VVD are world class). As he said even City can't afford to have a squad that costs that.... He even said in plain english "No club can do that, even City".

You a City supporter? If so, lay off the homer glasses haha

 

[cyberman]

You don't need 22 top players to compete in 4 competitions, hell in certain set ups you don't even need 11.
You need luck and good management, not spend more than 500m in 2 years.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

And let's not forget, Laporte is supposedly going to be City's record signing, which is still less than the fees paid for Lukaku and Pogba and basically on par with Angel Di Maria's. But it's only the likes of Chelsea and City who are responsible for big transfer fees, obviously.

Let’s not be silly and try to deflect. City have spent nearly £1.4Bn in 10 years, broke the premiership summer spending record in 2017 and spent more than any other club over that 10 year period.

If you look at the period from 2008-2013 in particular it was unprecedented spending.

 

[Baby Groot]

The way that Pep FC has tried to spin its spending since losing out on Sanchez is laughable. All of a sudden there are limits to what Pep FC can do. Where were the limits when Pep spent £191.70 million last season https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-city/transfers/verein/281/saison_id/2016 …? Where were the limits when Pep spent £222.13 million last summer https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-city/transfers/verein/281#subnavi …? Rumour has it that he's about to drop another £50 million on Laporte too. Pep FC would be much better served throwing its weight around unashamedly. Nobody is buying the woe to me, we can't spend like other clubs because it'd blow back on us act.

They have been basically reinventing phrase sky is the limit. Its now the Evil Empire Manchester United is the limit, and Pep FC the savior of football cannot do anything about it. I personally find those excuses laughable

 

[Denis79]

Really, really dislike Pep, long before joined City even.

 

[RooneyLegend]

Amazing that managers of Chelsea, Manchester United, and Manchester City have all had the nerve to complain about money this season. Do these blokes know that most of the teams they are going against wish they could spend what they do in couple of transfer window's in a decade?

 

[MrPooni]

Whats he saying thats not true. 22 world class players would cost 2 billion in today market or at least 1.5bn. If the going rate for a worldclass midfielder is £100m, a world class forward £150m (Mbappe) and defender (£60m and one could argue none of City's current defenders or VVD are world class). As he said even City can't afford to have a squad that costs that.... He even said in plain english "No club can do that, even City".

This reminds me of that old dance where Donald Trump tweets something demonstrably absurd and his surrogates spend the entire news cycle trying to loosely tether it back to reality with some Olympic level semantical gymnastics. Good effort – worth a bronze at least.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Mancini spent brilliantly at City imho, Hughes and Pellegrini terrible.

His first season was phenomenal in hindsight - Silva, Dzeko, Toure, Milner, Balotelli, Kolarov and Boateng (who we couldn't keep)
His second season was arguably as good with - Aguero, Nasri and Clichy (Nasri was good under Mancini) and scored the decisive goal in the Stevie G slip season after he left). Savic (who like Boateng was a good player who never quite felt comfortable and is currently doing well for Atletico.) Even Pantillimon did well for a £2m keeper.
Mancini's final season was his only poor one in the market and many believe those were Marwood signings, they certainly didn't fit the Mancini profile and as we know all was not well behind the scenes.
Sinclair, Rodwell, Javi Garcia, Nastasic and Maicon.

All in all I'd say Mancini's spending was excellent. What came before and after is where we spunked a boat load of money.

Hughes on the other hand spent £270m in 18 month around 2008 and £62m of that was on Adebayor, Jo and Roque Santa Cruz

That was good spending for the most part yes. I had meant to say Pellegrini.

Mancini is generally underrated as a manager.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Whats he saying thats not true. 22 world class players would cost 2 billion in today market or at least 1.5bn. If the going rate for a worldclass midfielder is £100m, a world class forward £150m (Mbappe) and defender (£60m and one could argue none of City's current defenders or VVD are world class). As he said even City can't afford to have a squad that costs that.... He even said in plain english "No club can do that, even City".

That you need 22 world class players to compete in 4 competitions. No squad has ever had 22 world class players, maybe one or two international squads have come close.

 

[SER19]

Anybody trying to legitimise this bile is in as much denial as guardiola. They very best way of spinning it is that he's pulled out of his ass that you need 22 top players to compete on all fronts. Which would be a competely arbitrary number, with far to many variables and interpretations to even make sense. It's disgusting that he has the nerve to even suggest he's been some way handicapped by budget. The highest spending manager ever.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

This reminds me of that old dance where Donald Trump tweets something demonstrably absurd and his surrogates spend the entire news cycle trying to loosely tether it back to reality with some Olympic level semantical gymnastics. Good effort – worth a bronze at least.

Well put hahah

 

[Fish in kettles]

I was watching the game tonight and after the 4th West Brom player suffered a bad injury I thought "Their next opponents are in for a bit of luck" and it turns out to be you lot! Again!
Its not bitterness since the title is gone but its honestly freaky how often opposition players injure themselves just before they play you.

Wow, financial doping, Pep actually dope doping, bent refs, easy schedule, teams not turning up, media conspiracy and now..................players getting injured to avoid playing City

Stay tuned for the next thrilling installment of "How Pep cheated Jose out of his rightful inheritance"

 

[Womp]

It's fecking impossible to have that many World class players. World class players want to play consistently, not be rotated or play as backups.

 

[TheReligion]

Whats he saying thats not true. 22 world class players would cost 2 billion in today market or at least 1.5bn. If the going rate for a worldclass midfielder is £100m, a world class forward £150m (Mbappe) and defender (£60m and one could argue none of City's current defenders or VVD are world class). As he said even City can't afford to have a squad that costs that.... He even said in plain english "No club can do that, even City".

Come on mate even you don't believe you need 22 100m pound players to compete in all competitions?

Hes talking shit. He's spent an absolute fortune and got everyone he wanted (except Sanchez).

Did United's treble winning world beating side have 22 world beaters? May, Johnson, Blomqvist, Cruyff, Berg...

 

[Flytan]

I know he's been accused of doping before but I think whatever Pep's taken now is messing with his mind

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

 

[tomaldinho1]

Deluded.

Why deny something that is just a fact. At the end of the day it's allowed and City have become a consistent PL challenger because of money, there's no shame there. Chelsea did the same, other clubs will do in the future no doubt. For now City are free spenders with a stupidly expensive squad that is very strong and already has unreal depth, this continued PR stunt is embarrassing.

 

[Oldhamer90]

At least it's money that the club earns

It's borrowed money. I'm not a blue so it makes no odds to me but I don't understand it when I speak to my friends and they come out with the "its what the club makes". I work in finance and if we look at the Forbes financial documents of what United actually had left after they had paid all of the clubs running costs, it was nowhere near enough money to fund the Sanchez deal. This is borrowed money and at the end of the financial year United's own figures will see that debt has increased because of it.

 

[Kraftwerker]

That is truly laughable stuff. It’s like a parody. Have they sat around a board meeting at City and decided what’s the most ridiculous thing we can say to get media attention.

Does anyone seriously think that if Laporte bombs like so many of their other defenders, they won’t go out and spend another £50m to immediately try to fix it?

It’s cheat mode on Football Manager stuff. Hit reset on the console and start again with the same budget. Never be accountable for your mistakes.

At least when we make a big signing our rivals know it’s coming out of our coffers and can rest assured it means the money won’t be going elsewhere on the pitch. We live and die by our fallibility like any real football club does.

 

[crappycraperson]

United broke the PL transfer record with Veron in 2001
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/1423604.stm
and then set a new record with Ferdinand the following year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/2143600.stm

Abramovich bought Chelsea in 2003 and it took him three years to beat the Veron fee with what he paid for Sheva and another four years to break the league record (for the first time!) with Torres deal. United were spending huge amounts long before Roman's arrival.

That's only one way of looking at it. Fergie broke the British transfer record many times but he seldom went on a summer spending spree similar to ones started by Chelsea after Roman took over.

You may not have broken records with singular buys but the sum totals Chelsea spent on transfers was unprecedented for PL at that point. It is also worth acknowledging that Roman was willing to break records but the profile of Chelsea at that point was not good enough to attract top talents. You were continuously linked with likes of Henry, Vieira, Raul etc but it was clear neither of those would join Chelsea just yet then even for reported fees around 50m. Overall just going by wiki your net transfer spent for summers of 2003 - 120m , 2004- 94m, 2005 - 36m.

 

[#00F]

[As a neutral] The laughable thing about this whole saga is both Manchester teams/managers/fans complain about money spent by other team. Like really? Do you guys assume that only your team should spend!? Both Manchester clubs are top of the pile in net spent over past 5 years. Whereas madrid net spent would have been less than 100m and they won 3 CL in that time.
PS. I can't believe I just praised madrid there, need a break and a drink now.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

It's borrowed money. I'm not a blue so it makes no odds to me but I don't understand it when I speak to my friends and they come out with the "its what the club makes". I work in finance and if we look at the Forbes financial documents of what United actually had left after they had paid all of the clubs running costs, it was nowhere near enough money to fund the Sanchez deal. This is borrowed money and at the end of the financial year United's own figures will see that debt has increased because of it.

So finance expert, do banks let anyone borrow this sort of money?

 

[Kraftwerker]

It's borrowed money. I'm not a blue so it makes no odds to me but I don't understand it when I speak to my friends and they come out with the "its what the club makes". I work in finance and if we look at the Forbes financial documents of what United actually had left after they had paid all of the clubs running costs, it was nowhere near enough money to fund the Sanchez deal. This is borrowed money and at the end of the financial year United's own figures will see that debt has increased because of it.

Absolute nonsense.

United’s cash balance could pay for Sanchez 20 times over.

‘Oldham fan’ with 2 posts pops up to give his view.