The Active Shooter Thread

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SteveJ said:
How did Trump & company justify ending the ban on mentally ill people buying guns? Or did he/they not try to justify it?
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They didn't end the ban on mentally ill buying guns. That law is exactly the same as it as always been. He just over turned this bill:

The regulation, finalized in December under Obama's tenure, required the Social Security Administration to disclose information quarterly to the national gun background check system about certain people with mental illness.

While the list of eligible mental disorders is long -- ranging from anxiety to eating disorders to schizophrenia -- those who would have been reported by the agency had to meet two main criteria: a) They were receiving full disability benefits because of a mental illness and couldn't work and b) they were unable to manage their own benefits, thus needing the help of a third party to do so.
 
SteveJ said:
How did Trump & company justify ending the ban on mentally ill people buying guns? Or did he/they not try to justify it?
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He didn't actually have a press conference or much fanfare when he did it, I'd imagine a tad concerned about some of the questions he might face.

But in a few weeks later he did have this to say, "You have a true friend and champion in the White House. No longer will federal agencies be coming after law-abiding gun owners. No longer will the government be trying to undermine your rights and your freedoms as Americans. Instead, we will work with you, by your side."
 
I'm already sending my thoughts and prayers to the next set of children who will be killed in the next mass shooting.
 
Thankful we avoided a 2nd shooting rampage this week. The grandmother reporting her grandson to the police will have saved many lives.

 
Silva said:
I think this is wildly exaggerated, you'll get a lot of cowboy types who want to go out all guns blazing but the vast majority will reluctantly give them up.
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Yeah fair enough, it'll be a tiny minority. But even just having to contend with 0.001% of the population who will kick off is still dealing with 3,800 people willing to fight for their right to bear arms. It's something that literally no other developed country has or will likely ever have to deal with.

Raoul said:
This is why one off incremental laws probably wouldn't make a difference. It would require a fundamental shift away from the 2nd amendment involving a ban on all things semi-automatic and and strict licensing process for handguns and hunting rifles.
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Completely agree. Shame it's the sort of thing that someone will probably get assassinated for.
 
Spark said:
Yeah fair enough, it'll be a tiny minority. But even just having to contend with 0.001% of the population who will kick off is still dealing with 3,800 people willing to fight for their right to bear arms. It's something that literally no other developed country has or will likely ever have to deal with.
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Didn't Australia take the guns away some years ago? I am pretty sure they had their fair share of "over my dead body" types, and yet there was no general rebellion and no political assassinations.
 
niMic said:
Didn't Australia take the guns away some years ago? I am pretty sure they had their fair share of "over my dead body" types, and yet there was no general rebellion and no political assassinations.
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Yeah, but I don't think the rightwing over there were anything like as crazy as the GOP has been for a while now, indeed I think it was the Liberal (rightwing) party that brought in the reforms after a mass shooting.
 
Fergies Gum said:
Thankful we avoided a 2nd shooting rampage this week. The grandmother reporting her grandson to the police will have saved many lives.

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wow, Grandmother deserves some sort of award for this and this is just getting out of control. So many teens thinks this is some sort of game or some heroic stuff, taking gun and shooting people at sight.

Seriously people against Gun control rule, their reasons are so stupid. Hopefully we see lot of improvement on that front.
 
Fergies Gum said:
Thankful we avoided a 2nd shooting rampage this week. The grandmother reporting her grandson to the police will have saved many lives.

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To the lawyer's point, I wonder how you prove that he was actually going to go through with it rather than just fantasizing?
 
sullydnl said:
To the lawyer's point, I wonder how you prove that he was actually going to go through with it rather than just fantasizing?
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Make preparing to commit a gun crime a crime. Just as preparing to commit a terrorist act is a crime.
 
Some of the kids from that school that had been interviewed on CNN and been very impressive individuals. Some of the discussion on gun control have been extremely mature and coherent. Wish we had politicians with a quarter of the common sense.
 
Wibble said:
Make preparing to commit a gun crime a crime. Just as preparing to commit a terrorist act is a crime.
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A pre-crime unit?

Seriously speaking, there is a fine line between preparation vs attempt. For example, if you declare in youtube that you are going to rob a bank, and then head to bank with a loaded gun...there is a direct line between preparation, intent leading to an attempt.

In cases like this, people owning guns who declare on youtube that they are going to shoot up loads of people....and then when they actually head out say, a week or so later, it becomes much more ambiguous and difficult to link.

Anyways such active pre-crime measures will only serve to avoid notice avoid the notice, but not stop the crimes themselves.
 
niMic said:
Didn't Australia take the guns away some years ago? I am pretty sure they had their fair share of "over my dead body" types, and yet there was no general rebellion and no political assassinations.
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I have no idea to be honest. If they did, then fair, but I doubt ownership was anywhere near as high as USA currently.
 
niMic said:
Didn't Australia take the guns away some years ago? I am pretty sure they had their fair share of "over my dead body" types, and yet there was no general rebellion and no political assassinations.
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Yes. And done by a right wing government.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
A pre-crime unit?

Seriously speaking, there is a fine line between preparation vs attempt. For example, if you declare in youtube that you are going to rob a bank, and then head to bank with a loaded gun...there is a direct line between preparation, intent leading to an attempt.

In cases like this, people owning guns who declare on youtube that they are going to shoot up loads of people....and then when they actually head out say, a week or so later, it becomes much more ambiguous and difficult to link.

Anyways such active pre-crime measures will only serve to avoid notice avoid the notice, but not stop the crimes themselves.
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I‘d guess that preparations for high profile crimes can be prosecuted as well, at least it‘s like this in my country which isn‘t the US though. Certainely makes sense.

What preparations are is obvs. hard to determine, normally more than two+ actions that are linked together and from a third persons perspective seem like being done in order to commit a crime without being daily life things like buying cereal.
 
James Gagliano, a retired FBI officer, just said on CNN that the 2nd amendment needs to be reviewed.
 
Raoul said:
James Gagliano, a retired FBI officer, just said on CNN that the 2nd amendment needs to be reviewed.
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As in reinterpreted? Imo the originalist school of thinking re the constitution needs to lose influence and be declared fringe ideology. Doesnt make sense at all unless you deny that societies change over time.
 
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Ubik said:
Two thirds majority in both houses, or two thirds of the states. In other words, not bloody likely.
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That's the federal ratification. If I am not mistaken, after that happens then every state has to pass it through their legislation.
 
Javi said:
As in reinterpreted? Imo the originalist school of thinking re the constitution needs to lose influence and be declared fringe ideology. Doesnt make sense at all unless you deny that societies change over time.
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Reinterpreted.

You can get the basic gist about half way through around the 2:50 mark

 
Raoul said:
Absolutely unbelievable

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What a lucky break for GOP.
They get to talk about so much other than guns
They get to take digs at FBI's work and thus implying other things that FBI is investigating (like Russia and other stuff) are also dodgy
 
Raoul said:
Absolutely unbelievable

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I wonder how many such calls they receive on a daily basis and what are their actual handling capacities. I feel that it would be easy to argue that the current gun laws put a huge pressure on law enforcement.
 
Cheesy said:
Callous sociopath of a human being.
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There's a GOP candidate offering an AR giveaway for his voters. The USA is fecked. The land of the free, my fecking arse! I've also broken a rule and am arguing with a gun nut on Twitter. Couldn't help myself. They are like robots. Pre-programmed to just all regurgitate the same shit. It's so very sad.
 
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